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2000-09-06 00:13./ Io Re: [idm] Re: [idm} jungle
2000-09-06 04:19James R McPherson [idm] Re: [idm} jungle witta da Underdawg ana Duke/DK
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2000-09-06 00:13./ IoAs much as I hate to parrot Simon Reynolds, here's another origin theory (pulled out of a
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As much as I hate to parrot Simon Reynolds, here's another origin theory (pulled out of a list archive): <<Generation Ecstasy P.257: 'Even the name "jungle" comes from Jamaica (as does its more baldly descriptive synonym, "drum and bass"). According to MC Navigator from London's ruling pirate station Kool FM, "jungle" comes from "junglist", and was first heard in 1991 as a sample used by Rebel MC (who pioneered British hip-house in the early nineties, then formed the proto-jungle label X Project). "Rebel got this chant - 'alla the junglists' - from a yard tape," Navigator told me, referring to the sound-system mix tapes imported from Jamaica. (Yard is a slang term for Kingston and the root of "yardie", a hustler or hoodlum.) There's a place in Kingston called Tivoli Gardens, and the people call it the Jungle. When you hear on a yard tape the MC sending a big-up to 'alla the junglists,' they're calling out a posse from Tivoli. When Rebel sampled that, the people cottoned on, and soon they started to call the music "Jungle."'>> Additionally (I'm not sure if Reynolds gets into it or not), 'jungle' has been around as both a musical adjective and noun since the 1940s. I don't really know anything about jazz but I think the term started during Duke Ellington's "jungle period" (e.g. 'Jungle Money' LP) in the 40s. It described a particularly frenetic, funky, 'African' style of rhythm. The term was racist and derogatory by the 1950s. People would frequently deride the nascient rock 'n roll as Afrocentric 'jungle music.' I have no idea how this old use of the term relates (if at all) to the current sense (drum 'n bass), but there's obviously some parallels there, in both the funky syncopation and the race issue. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-09-06 04:19James R McPhersonOn Wed, 06 Sep 2000 00:13:23 GMT "./ Io" <i__oo__@hotmail.com> writes: >I don't really kno
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On Wed, 06 Sep 2000 00:13:23 GMT "./ Io" <i__oo__@hotmail.com> writes:
quoted 3 lines I don't really know anything about jazz but I think>I don't really know anything about jazz but I think >the term started during Duke Ellington's "jungle >period" (e.g. 'Jungle Money' LP) in the 40s.
Just to nitpick - it's _Money Jungle_ (Blue Note 1962) and everyone should own a copy. African ryhthms had been in use in jazz (and rhythm & blues) since the early days ... they aren't exclusive to any one performer. And what exactly has Darren Knott (DK, I assume) been up to of late. He remixed "Timber" for Coldcut/Hexstatic (probably the best mix on the ep - don't hear that too often when Kirk DeGiorgio contributes as well) and seemed to disappear soon after. J "You should dream more, Mr. Wormold. Reality in our century is not something to be faced." - _Our Man in Havana_ Join The Party @www.cpusa.org ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org