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Um... I don't know if this disc is old hat on this listserv(in which case I apologize for even bringing it up), but it is most certainly worth checking out, particularly if, like me, you see alot of IDM as lacking a bit in the humor department. I'm wary of describing the content of the Attitude CD, since it violates about eight million separate intellectual property laws. It is a compilation, and the first track appeared on another Tigerbeat comp (Kid 606 and Friends, I think). The theme of the disc is, "IDM v. NWA and derivative acts". On a personal note, I came to this listserv through a process that began with the Funkstorung "Reunited" 12" remix. I find the hip-hop influence in Autechre, Funkstorung and Kid 606 to be just overwhelming, and I'm just generally interested in what the level of IDM-ish/hip-hop interaction is among the readers of this list... Also, Kid 606 and friends appear in the SF Guardian this week. At least Amanda Norwinski didn't do the interview. Scott ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

In case anyone's interested, Kid 606 is interviewed in the latest issue of VICE magazine.. the one that features I.K.U. (Cyber-delic Japanese porn movie) on the front cover. Yup, it's VICE magazine... so expect your typical VICE magazine questions. (Possibly the best toilet-reading magazine ever made). ======================================================================= Brian MacDonald <brianm@kuci.org> KUCI 88.9 fM in Irvine, CA -- Orange County ======================================================================= --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Hip-hop is SO influential to "IDM"... its not even funny. If im not mistaken , the hip-hop movement was the first genre to completely go electronic, i think it dfefintiely paved the way. As for ae/funkstorung, jesus christ of course they have hiphop influence.. its one of the reasons sean and rob became friends; dont forget funkst.'s wutang remix :)'' peace ian ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Josh Davison <yoshi@enteract.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:21:28 -0500 (CDT)

quoted 68 lines well my partner and i share a studio with a hip hop crew, we use the exact

> >well my partner and i share a studio with a hip hop crew, we use the exact >same tools and very similar methods for creating the music, it's just a >question of the aesthetics of the resulting tracks i think. there's not >really a division between the music we make and the hip hop stuff, more of >a wide range ... some of our stuff could be classified as hip hop >depending on how loose your definition is. > >i probably attend more hip hop shows than i do "idm" shows and i really >wish "idm" acts would try more to capture the energy of much of the hip >hop i've seen. unfortunately the lack of vocals and vocalists leads to >the widest rift between the two classifications. much of the time, as >soon as you put rhymes or vocals on top of beats, it's immediately >transformed into "trip hop" or straight up hip hop. which is not a bad >thing, i suppose > >josh >-- >String Theory : Digital Music for Humans >http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi > > >On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Scott Pactor wrote: > >> Um... I don't know if this disc is old hat on this >> listserv(in which case I apologize for even bringing >> it up), but it is most certainly worth checking out, >> particularly if, like me, you see alot of IDM as >> lacking a bit in the humor department. I'm wary of >> describing the content of the Attitude CD, since it >> violates about eight million separate intellectual >> property laws. It is a compilation, and the first >> track appeared on another Tigerbeat comp (Kid 606 and >> Friends, I think). The theme of the disc is, "IDM v. >> NWA and derivative acts". >> On a personal note, I came to this listserv through >> a process that began with the Funkstorung "Reunited" >> 12" remix. I find the hip-hop influence in Autechre, >> Funkstorung and Kid 606 to be just overwhelming, and >> I'm just generally interested in what the level of >> IDM-ish/hip-hop interaction is among the readers of >> this list... >> Also, Kid 606 and friends appear in the SF Guardian >> this week. At least Amanda Norwinski didn't do the >> interview. >> Scott >> >> >> ===== >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. >> http://invites.yahoo.com/ >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > ></font>

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let's say the first "popular" movement to go all electronic, maybe? i can't even say that definitively without ducking... steve ducks

quoted 1 line "ian" <ian@webice.net> 08/11/00 16:16 PM >>>

>>> "ian" <ian@webice.net> 08/11/00 16:16 PM >>>

Hip-hop is SO influential to "IDM"... its not even funny. If im not mistaken , the hip-hop movement was the first genre to completely go electronic, i think it dfefintiely paved the way. As for ae/funkstorung, jesus christ of course they have hiphop influence.. its one of the reasons sean and rob became friends; dont forget funkst.'s wutang remix :)'' peace ian ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Josh Davison <yoshi@enteract.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:21:28 -0500 (CDT)

quoted 68 lines well my partner and i share a studio with a hip hop crew, we use the exact

> >well my partner and i share a studio with a hip hop crew, we use the exact >same tools and very similar methods for creating the music, it's just a >question of the aesthetics of the resulting tracks i think. there's not >really a division between the music we make and the hip hop stuff, more of >a wide range ... some of our stuff could be classified as hip hop >depending on how loose your definition is. > >i probably attend more hip hop shows than i do "idm" shows and i really >wish "idm" acts would try more to capture the energy of much of the hip >hop i've seen. unfortunately the lack of vocals and vocalists leads to >the widest rift between the two classifications. much of the time, as >soon as you put rhymes or vocals on top of beats, it's immediately >transformed into "trip hop" or straight up hip hop. which is not a bad >thing, i suppose > >josh >-- >String Theory : Digital Music for Humans >http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi > > >On Thu, 10 Aug 200, Scott Pactor wrote: > >> Um... I don't know if this disc is old hat on this >> listserv(in which case I apologize for even bringing >> it up), but it is most certainly worth checking out, >> particularly if, like me, you see alot of IDM as >> lacking a bit in the humor department. I'm wary of >> describing the content of the Attitude CD, since it >> violates about eight million separate intellectual >> property laws. It is a compilation, and the first >> track appeared on another Tigerbeat comp (Kid 606 and >> Friends, I think). The theme of the disc is, "IDM v. >> NWA and derivative acts". >> On a personal note, I came to this listserv through >> a process that began with the Funkstorung "Reunited" >> 12" remix. I find the hip-hop influence in Autechre, >> Funkstorung and Kid 606 to be just overwhelming, and >> I'm just generally interested in what the level of >> IDM-ish/hip-hop interaction is among the readers of >> this list... >> Also, Kid 606 and friends appear in the SF Guardian >> this week. At least Amanda Norwinski didn't do the >> interview. >> Scott >> >> >> ===== >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. >> http://invites.yahoo.com/ >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > ></font>

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8/11/00 Dear friends, In my humble opinion, the first 'lectronic intelligent dance music was produced by the Bomb Squad (courtesy of the brothers Shocklee). Didn't it all start with "Yo, Bum Rush the Show!" in 1986? Kraftwerk was way intelligent, as was Devo... but dance music? _My Uzi Weighs a Ton_ still freaks me out with it's brilliance. Can I get a witness? Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. Jamie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Cant say that I would disagree, but as some of us say, its one scene, especially in Detroit, NYC, and DC, Philly and Chicago! Dont duck, just wear helmet Hk! -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Olson [mailto:solson@risd.edu] Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 3:50 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org; ian@webice.net Subject: Re: [idm] HipHop & IDM (Was "Attitude" 3" CD on Tigerbeat6) let's say the first "popular" movement to go all electronic, maybe? i can't even say that definitively without ducking... steve ducks

quoted 1 line "ian" <ian@webice.net> 08/11/00 16:16 PM >>>

>>> "ian" <ian@webice.net> 08/11/00 16:16 PM >>>

Hip-hop is SO influential to "IDM"... its not even funny. If im not mistaken , the hip-hop movement was the first genre to completely go electronic, i think it dfefintiely paved the way. As for ae/funkstorung, jesus christ of course they have hiphop influence.. its one of the reasons sean and rob became friends; dont forget funkst.'s wutang remix :)'' peace ian ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Josh Davison <yoshi@enteract.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:21:28 -0500 (CDT)

quoted 68 lines well my partner and i share a studio with a hip hop crew, we use the exact

> >well my partner and i share a studio with a hip hop crew, we use the exact >same tools and very similar methods for creating the music, it's just a >question of the aesthetics of the resulting tracks i think. there's not >really a division between the music we make and the hip hop stuff, more of >a wide range ... some of our stuff could be classified as hip hop >depending on how loose your definition is. > >i probably attend more hip hop shows than i do "idm" shows and i really >wish "idm" acts would try more to capture the energy of much of the hip >hop i've seen. unfortunately the lack of vocals and vocalists leads to >the widest rift between the two classifications. much of the time, as >soon as you put rhymes or vocals on top of beats, it's immediately >transformed into "trip hop" or straight up hip hop. which is not a bad >thing, i suppose > >josh >-- >String Theory : Digital Music for Humans >http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi > > >On Thu, 10 Aug 200, Scott Pactor wrote: > >> Um... I don't know if this disc is old hat on this >> listserv(in which case I apologize for even bringing >> it up), but it is most certainly worth checking out, >> particularly if, like me, you see alot of IDM as >> lacking a bit in the humor department. I'm wary of >> describing the content of the Attitude CD, since it >> violates about eight million separate intellectual >> property laws. It is a compilation, and the first >> track appeared on another Tigerbeat comp (Kid 606 and >> Friends, I think). The theme of the disc is, "IDM v. >> NWA and derivative acts". >> On a personal note, I came to this listserv through >> a process that began with the Funkstorung "Reunited" >> 12" remix. I find the hip-hop influence in Autechre, >> Funkstorung and Kid 606 to be just overwhelming, and >> I'm just generally interested in what the level of >> IDM-ish/hip-hop interaction is among the readers of >> this list... >> Also, Kid 606 and friends appear in the SF Guardian >> this week. At least Amanda Norwinski didn't do the >> interview. >> Scott >> >> >> ===== >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. >> http://invites.yahoo.com/ >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > ></font>

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8/11/00 I think that Chuck and the kids would definately consider their music "dance music". I mean not in the teenybopper sense, but in the booty shaking clyde stubblefield sense. Perhaps we are debating the wrong point. If PE's work is not considered "dance music" haw can Squarepusher's. Under the definition of "dance music" describing music that induces "mindless, body swaying" how can a music be both intelligent music and dance music? To me, the music of PE, Squarepusher, The Boards of Canada, Curtis Mayfield all balance the cerebral and the temporal. You got yer cognitive elements (wicked programming/lyrical content/etc.), you got yer physical elements (head noddin'/booty shaking/etc.). That is the whole appeal of the IDM to a simpleton like myself. The balance. J --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

autechre's view on hiphop taken from thewire.co.uk for your reading pleasure.... "The whole idea of transforming sound is HipHop, to us anyway," says Sean. "Taking something that almost already exists, and doing something fresh with it, fucking it over and doing something new, taking it somewhere that we'd like it to be. Rather than the emphasis on it being different for the sake of it, it's more that it's different because we're different. We allow the fact that we don't quite fit in to be a positive thing. "It's about sleight of hand, where you're revealing things and then pulling them back. It's that sort of dynamic. But I think that's HipHop; the whole attitude of wanting to do people's heads in a little bit but also give them something that they'll really appreciate comes from that - Mantronix to early Bomb Squad - where there were little tricks in there, and you knew the producer had stuck them in there because he knew it would do people's heads in. And it'd be like: fucking hell, how did he do that? Or, that's a totally made thing to do with your track. But it didn't suffer because it wasn't..." --shaun --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org