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hi all, happened to catch the fennesz/pita show in chicago last night at the empty bottle.... was curious as to what others thought of this show or any of the other dates of the tour... i thought it was really short. it seemed odd to travel so far overseas to play so little. i did like what i heard though, it was worth it, but i was expecting a little more. did markus schmickler play? i showed up around 10:30 or so and only 2 acts performed... matt +------------------------------------+ m.mercer :: systm audio-visual communicator http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/98/systm.html mmercer@kent.edu :: vletrmx@hotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

you know, i hate to sound unimaginitive but really when i pay $10 for a "music" show i want some sort of dynamic variation, rhythm and/or melody for my brain to latch onto. i don't need 4 on the floor beats or happy major key stuff but four 20 minute sets of "watch me layer one gratingly digital layer of sound atop another and then filter it down to a rumble and bring it back up again" gets old after the first set. experimentation and textural exploration is fine, i have seen fantastic laptop based sets by Ryoji Ikeda, Kevin Drumm and Nobukazu Takemura in the past year and none of them were any less experimental than last night's show, but they were all about 100 times as interesting. just my .02c, i'm very interested in hearing opposing views josh -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, M Mercer wrote:

quoted 31 lines hi all,

> hi all, > > happened to catch the fennesz/pita show in chicago last night at the empty > bottle.... was curious as to what others thought of this show or any of the > other dates of the tour... > > i thought it was really short. it seemed odd to travel so far overseas to > play so little. i did like what i heard though, it was worth it, but i was > expecting a little more. did markus schmickler play? i showed up around > 10:30 or so and only 2 acts performed... > > > matt > > > +------------------------------------+ > m.mercer :: systm > audio-visual communicator > > http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/98/systm.html > mmercer@kent.edu :: vletrmx@hotmail.com > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Josh, I agree. And I hate the elitist attitude that the Mego ppl project. I think any of us on the list could do exactly what they do. --Chad

quoted 70 lines From: Josh Davison <yoshi@enteract.com>

>From: Josh Davison <yoshi@enteract.com> >To: M Mercer <vletrmx@hotmail.com> >CC: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] fennesz/pita live >Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:32:53 -0500 (CDT) > > >you know, i hate to sound unimaginitive but really when i pay $10 for a >"music" show i want some sort of dynamic variation, rhythm and/or melody >for my brain to latch onto. i don't need 4 on the floor beats or happy >major key stuff but four 20 minute sets of "watch me layer one gratingly >digital layer of sound atop another and then filter it down to a rumble >and bring it back up again" gets old after the first set. experimentation >and textural exploration is fine, i have seen fantastic laptop based sets >by Ryoji Ikeda, Kevin Drumm and Nobukazu Takemura in the past year and >none of them were any less experimental than last night's show, but they >were all about 100 times as interesting. > >just my .02c, i'm very interested in hearing opposing views > >josh > >-- >String Theory : Digital Music for Humans >http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi > > >On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, M Mercer wrote: > > > hi all, > > > > happened to catch the fennesz/pita show in chicago last night at the >empty > > bottle.... was curious as to what others thought of this show or any of >the > > other dates of the tour... > > > > i thought it was really short. it seemed odd to travel so far overseas >to > > play so little. i did like what i heard though, it was worth it, but i >was > > expecting a little more. did markus schmickler play? i showed up around > > 10:30 or so and only 2 acts performed... > > > > > > matt > > > > > > +------------------------------------+ > > m.mercer :: systm > > audio-visual communicator > > > > http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/98/systm.html > > mmercer@kent.edu :: vletrmx@hotmail.com > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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i have done the same stuff, all it takes is $500 to buy a copy of Max/MSP and about four hours to read the manual and go thru the tutorials ... that's part of the reason i was so disenchanted w/the show the challenge is taking that software and then actually using it to do something interesting, which i don't think they managed to do... at least last night. nobukazu takemura is a great example of using the same tricks to much better effect josh -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, Twine sound wrote:

quoted 83 lines Josh,

> Josh, > > I agree. And I hate the elitist attitude that the Mego ppl project. I > think any of us on the list could do exactly what they do. > > --Chad > > > >From: Josh Davison <yoshi@enteract.com> > >To: M Mercer <vletrmx@hotmail.com> > >CC: idm@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [idm] fennesz/pita live > >Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:32:53 -0500 (CDT) > > > > > >you know, i hate to sound unimaginitive but really when i pay $10 for a > >"music" show i want some sort of dynamic variation, rhythm and/or melody > >for my brain to latch onto. i don't need 4 on the floor beats or happy > >major key stuff but four 20 minute sets of "watch me layer one gratingly > >digital layer of sound atop another and then filter it down to a rumble > >and bring it back up again" gets old after the first set. experimentation > >and textural exploration is fine, i have seen fantastic laptop based sets > >by Ryoji Ikeda, Kevin Drumm and Nobukazu Takemura in the past year and > >none of them were any less experimental than last night's show, but they > >were all about 100 times as interesting. > > > >just my .02c, i'm very interested in hearing opposing views > > > >josh > > > >-- > >String Theory : Digital Music for Humans > >http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi > > > > > >On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, M Mercer wrote: > > > > > hi all, > > > > > > happened to catch the fennesz/pita show in chicago last night at the > >empty > > > bottle.... was curious as to what others thought of this show or any of > >the > > > other dates of the tour... > > > > > > i thought it was really short. it seemed odd to travel so far overseas > >to > > > play so little. i did like what i heard though, it was worth it, but i > >was > > > expecting a little more. did markus schmickler play? i showed up around > > > 10:30 or so and only 2 acts performed... > > > > > > > > > matt > > > > > > > > > +------------------------------------+ > > > m.mercer :: systm > > > audio-visual communicator > > > > > > http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/98/systm.html > > > mmercer@kent.edu :: vletrmx@hotmail.com > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > >

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On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, Josh Davison wrote:

quoted 2 lines nobukazu takemura is a great example of using the same tricks to much

> nobukazu takemura is a great example of using the same tricks to much > better effect

[continuing from my last post...] ...and i guess this really is where tastes become fun, because most everything i have heard from nobukazu takemura has bored me (and when i saw him live i was indiffernt for the most part). i like the sound environments that the mego folks produce. i dont care how easy it is to make -- because i ALWAYS hear people say "i could make that easily" -- but somehow i hardly hear stuff that grabs me... if its THAT easy, thank god someone is taking advantage of it. chris. "bodily fluids are a wonderful way to get to know someone." _we are all lost --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

yeah, how easy it is to make doesn't really enter into it because it's completely subjective. that's the great thing about music and all other art. one person will look at something and see genius, and another person will see total crap. or just be bored. in a different environment, perhaps i would have taken a different view of the fennesz/pita/etc. show josh -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, are you there god? it's me margaret wrote:

quoted 24 lines On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, Josh Davison wrote:

> > On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, Josh Davison wrote: > > > nobukazu takemura is a great example of using the same tricks to much > > better effect > > [continuing from my last post...] > > ...and i guess this really is where tastes become fun, because most > everything i have heard from nobukazu takemura has bored me (and when i > saw him live i was indiffernt for the most part). > > i like the sound environments that the mego folks produce. i dont care > how easy it is to make -- because i ALWAYS hear people say "i could make > that easily" -- but somehow i hardly hear stuff that grabs me... if its > THAT easy, thank god someone is taking advantage of it. > > > chris. > > "bodily fluids are a wonderful way to get to know someone." > _we are all lost > >

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while the MEGO people do seem a little too serious, i cannot think of a label that has put out more consistent releases that keep my attention and make me anticipate more. the new _music for an isolation tank_ cd is one of the BEST experimental releases i have heard in a while. live - well, i have never seen them, but have heard mixed reviews. saw panasonic though - one of the best electronic shows ever :) chris. On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, Twine sound wrote:

quoted 6 lines Josh,

> Josh, > > I agree. And I hate the elitist attitude that the Mego ppl project. I > think any of us on the list could do exactly what they do. > > --Chad

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I forgot to mention that I did think Fracisco Lopez's set was very good. And he was really nice. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 6 lines Josh,

> Josh, > > I agree. And I hate the elitist attitude that the Mego ppl project. I > think any of us on the list could do exactly what they do. > > --Chad

live---maaybe, as-for-there-recorded/released-stuff, NOone-comes-close. i-think-they-have-a-good-sense-of-humor, what-i-see-as-'seriousness'-your-translating- (projecting?)-as-elitism.. ..remember-the-people-in-question-are-not american-or-kids... i've-seen-you-guys-play-live-and-i-did'nt-see-you guys-smile-or-crack-jokes..or-outdo-any-mego-folks-sound/concept-wise. no-disrespect---(i-own-2-cd's-of-yours) i-agree-the-francisco-lopez-set-i-saw-was-amazing! and-indeed-he-was-nice. gbye. [k] ----- Original Message ----- From: Twine sound <twine_sound@hotmail.com> To: <yoshi@enteract.com>; <vletrmx@hotmail.com> Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [idm] fennesz/pita live

quoted 15 lines From: Josh Davison <yoshi@enteract.com>

> > > >From: Josh Davison <yoshi@enteract.com> > >To: M Mercer <vletrmx@hotmail.com> > >CC: idm@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [idm] fennesz/pita live > >Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:32:53 -0500 (CDT) > > > > > >you know, i hate to sound unimaginitive but really when i pay $10 for a > >"music" show i want some sort of dynamic variation, rhythm and/or melody > >for my brain to latch onto. i don't need 4 on the floor beats or happy > >major key stuff but four 20 minute sets of "watch me layer one gratingly > >digital layer of sound atop another and then filter it down to a rumble > >and bring it back up again" gets old after the first set.

experimentation

quoted 21 lines and textural exploration is fine, i have seen fantastic laptop based sets

> >and textural exploration is fine, i have seen fantastic laptop based sets > >by Ryoji Ikeda, Kevin Drumm and Nobukazu Takemura in the past year and > >none of them were any less experimental than last night's show, but they > >were all about 100 times as interesting. > > > >just my .02c, i'm very interested in hearing opposing views > > > >josh > > > >-- > >String Theory : Digital Music for Humans > >http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi > > > > > >On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, M Mercer wrote: > > > > > hi all, > > > > > > happened to catch the fennesz/pita show in chicago last night at the > >empty > > > bottle.... was curious as to what others thought of this show or any

of

quoted 8 lines the

> >the > > > other dates of the tour... > > > > > > i thought it was really short. it seemed odd to travel so far overseas > >to > > > play so little. i did like what i heard though, it was worth it, but i > >was > > > expecting a little more. did markus schmickler play? i showed up

around

quoted 14 lines 10:30 or so and only 2 acts performed...

> > > 10:30 or so and only 2 acts performed... > > > > > > > > > matt > > > > > > > > > +------------------------------------+ > > > m.mercer :: systm > > > audio-visual communicator > > > > > > http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/98/systm.html > > > mmercer@kent.edu :: vletrmx@hotmail.com > > > > > >

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right - i have to agree with this, as they were quite cordial at trans oo3. serious yes, but certainly not humourless during the rest of the performances and in person. additionally, i personally found their performances to be phenomenal, and in ways, more engaging than their recordings. that is an opinion, however - best, keenan

quoted 19 lines live---maaybe,

> live---maaybe, > as-for-there-recorded/released-stuff, > NOone-comes-close. > i-think-they-have-a-good-sense-of-humor, > what-i-see-as-'seriousness'-your-translating- > (projecting?)-as-elitism.. > ..remember-the-people-in-question-are-not > american-or-kids... > > i've-seen-you-guys-play-live-and-i-did'nt-see-you > guys-smile-or-crack-jokes..or-outdo-any-mego-folks-sound/concept-wise. > no-disrespect---(i-own-2-cd's-of-yours) > > i-agree-the-francisco-lopez-set-i-saw-was-amazing! > and-indeed-he-was-nice. > > gbye. > [k] >

--On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 9:10 PM -0400 _DipthonG_ <kam@Columbus.rr.com> wrote:

quoted 6 lines Josh,

>> Josh, >> >> I agree. And I hate the elitist attitude that the Mego ppl project. I >> think any of us on the list could do exactly what they do. >> >> --Chad

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> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Twine sound <twine_sound@hotmail.com> > To: <yoshi@enteract.com>; <vletrmx@hotmail.com> > Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 3:15 PM > Subject: Re: [idm] fennesz/pita live > > >> >> >> > From: Josh Davison <yoshi@enteract.com> >> > To: M Mercer <vletrmx@hotmail.com> >> > CC: idm@hyperreal.org >> > Subject: Re: [idm] fennesz/pita live >> > Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:32:53 -0500 (CDT) >> > >> > >> > you know, i hate to sound unimaginitive but really when i pay $10 for a >> > "music" show i want some sort of dynamic variation, rhythm and/or >> > melody for my brain to latch onto. i don't need 4 on the floor beats >> > or happy major key stuff but four 20 minute sets of "watch me layer >> > one gratingly digital layer of sound atop another and then filter it >> > down to a rumble and bring it back up again" gets old after the first >> > set. > experimentation >> > and textural exploration is fine, i have seen fantastic laptop based >> > sets by Ryoji Ikeda, Kevin Drumm and Nobukazu Takemura in the past >> > year and none of them were any less experimental than last night's >> > show, but they were all about 100 times as interesting. >> > >> > just my .02c, i'm very interested in hearing opposing views >> > >> > josh

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Well, I could put together a Mego track for you in about 2 hours, and it would be equal to or better. ;) Don't get me wrong, I own the Fennezs and Pita stuff, but, it's nothing Merzbow hasn't been doing for years. And Ryoji!!! I love his work. And in interviews, they really do act like jerks. I mean, I love noise, but seriously, it's not very difficult to do. So don't get high and mighty about it, you know what I mean. It takes quite a bit more skill to fuse noise with listenability. And that's what we do. At our show with lopez, many ppl commented that we were the best of the evening ;) no-disrespect- taken ;) I don't know if I feel the same way, I totaly loved Lopez's set. It was top-notch! Peace, Chad Mossholder Twine/Twinesound Audio Productions ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? http://www.personal.kent.edu/~mmercer/twine http://www.heftyrecords.com twinesound@hotmail.com

quoted 100 lines From: "keenan" <k@transmit.org>

>From: "keenan" <k@transmit.org> >Reply-To: <k@transmit.org> >To: <idm@hyperreal.com> >Subject: Re: [idm] fennesz/pita live >Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:04:21 -0700 > >right - >i have to agree with this, as they were quite cordial at >trans oo3. serious yes, but certainly not humourless >during the rest of the performances and in person. > >additionally, i personally found their performances to >be phenomenal, and in ways, more engaging than their >recordings. that is an opinion, however - > > >best, > keenan > > > > live---maaybe, > > as-for-there-recorded/released-stuff, > > NOone-comes-close. > > i-think-they-have-a-good-sense-of-humor, > > what-i-see-as-'seriousness'-your-translating- > > (projecting?)-as-elitism.. > > ..remember-the-people-in-question-are-not > > american-or-kids... > > > > i've-seen-you-guys-play-live-and-i-did'nt-see-you > > guys-smile-or-crack-jokes..or-outdo-any-mego-folks-sound/concept-wise. > > no-disrespect---(i-own-2-cd's-of-yours) > > > > i-agree-the-francisco-lopez-set-i-saw-was-amazing! > > and-indeed-he-was-nice. > > > > gbye. > > [k] > > > >--On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 9:10 PM -0400 _DipthonG_ <kam@Columbus.rr.com> >wrote: > > > >> Josh, > >> > >> I agree. And I hate the elitist attitude that the Mego ppl project. >I > >> think any of us on the list could do exactly what they do. > >> > >> --Chad > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Twine sound <twine_sound@hotmail.com> > > To: <yoshi@enteract.com>; <vletrmx@hotmail.com> > > Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 3:15 PM > > Subject: Re: [idm] fennesz/pita live > > > > > >> > >> > >> > From: Josh Davison <yoshi@enteract.com> > >> > To: M Mercer <vletrmx@hotmail.com> > >> > CC: idm@hyperreal.org > >> > Subject: Re: [idm] fennesz/pita live > >> > Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:32:53 -0500 (CDT) > >> > > >> > > >> > you know, i hate to sound unimaginitive but really when i pay $10 for >a > >> > "music" show i want some sort of dynamic variation, rhythm and/or > >> > melody for my brain to latch onto. i don't need 4 on the floor beats > >> > or happy major key stuff but four 20 minute sets of "watch me layer > >> > one gratingly digital layer of sound atop another and then filter it > >> > down to a rumble and bring it back up again" gets old after the first > >> > set. > > experimentation > >> > and textural exploration is fine, i have seen fantastic laptop based > >> > sets by Ryoji Ikeda, Kevin Drumm and Nobukazu Takemura in the past > >> > year and none of them were any less experimental than last night's > >> > show, but they were all about 100 times as interesting. > >> > > >> > just my .02c, i'm very interested in hearing opposing views > >> > > >> > josh > > >-- >________________________________________ >k e e n a n mcdonald. t r a n s o o 3 >post box 1816. west jefferson nc. 28694 >k@transmit.org - - - - - transmit.org >-- > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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quoted 4 lines Well,

> > Well, > I could put together a Mego track for you in about 2 hours, and it would > be equal to or better. ;) Don't get me wrong, I own the Fennezs and

Pita

quoted 1 line stuff, but, it's nothing Merzbow hasn't been doing for years. And

> stuff, but, it's nothing Merzbow hasn't been doing for years. And

Ryoji!!!

quoted 2 lines I love his work. And in interviews, they really do act like jerks. I

> I love his work. And in interviews, they really do act like jerks. I > mean, I love noise, but seriously, it's not very difficult to do. So

don't

quoted 1 line get high and mighty about it, you know what I mean. It takes quite a

> get high and mighty about it, you know what I mean. It takes quite a

bit

quoted 3 lines more skill to fuse noise with listenability. And that's what we do. At

> more skill to fuse noise with listenability. And that's what we do. At > our show with lopez, many ppl commented that we were the best of the > evening ;) no-disrespect- taken ;) I don't know if I feel the same

way,

quoted 10 lines I totaly loved Lopez's set. It was top-notch!

> I totaly loved Lopez's set. It was top-notch! > >Peace, >Chad Mossholder >Wine/Winesound Audio Productions >———————————————————————————————————————————————————————————€ >http://www.personel.kent.edu/~mmercer/twine >http://www.hefyrecords.com >winesound@hotmail.com >

My oh my, aren't we a little high on ourselves? Let us compare Mego vs Twine... Mego has over thirty releases all in pressings of around 1000 each - most of which have all sold out - whereas Twine have a handful of cdr releases and two official releases which are getting, at best, bland recognition from a handful of fanzines and mp3.com dwellers. Any one Mego label release has probably sold more than all Twine releases combined. Mego has a worldwide reputation and critical acclaim for excellence in experimental electronic music and has headlined at worldwide electronic music festivals whereas Twine is a regional US outfit which is most likely destined to be a career opening act and/or rave bill filler. Mego has a successful international e-business called MDos which sells music and merchandise from THE BEST experimental established and underground artists and labels around. At last check, Twine's music is not listed in their catalog. Coincidence? My point is that you dont have to like Mego's music or even respect all that Mego has accomplished, but dismissing it as simple shit that anybody could do is simply ignorant - especially from a musician who should know better! Hansen -- Sent through Global Message Exchange - http://www.gmx.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I see you missed my point. I appreciate noise as much as anyone. My point was listenability vs. noise for the sake of noise. I like both. But one takes more skill than the other, there is no disputing that. I appreciate your defense of Mego though. It's good to see dedicated fans. That's what helps the little guys survive. I'd do the same if you attacked someone who I respect very much like John Cage, or Autechre. As far as Twine goes, we are working hard to make music we like. You can never please everyone. Funny that the only defense you had for the Mego ppl was to attack Twine, which is a much younger entity. I'm sure that Mego started somewhere also. Ah, how quickly we forget these things. Peace, Chad Mossholder Twine/Twinesound Audio Productions ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? http://www.personal.kent.edu/~mmercer/twine http://www.heftyrecords.com twinesound@hotmail.com ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

HEY HEY HEY Hansen, Am i gonna have to post my cover of KUM BA YAA so we all stop pointing fingers? I will step in to defend Twine, an artist way more sweated than most people think. Be sure to check out their upcoming 12" on the Hefty Records Immediate Action series- YOU WILL EAT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR WORDS. The two tracks that I heard (that most of you may have not, as Slicker has that shit on lock down) are absolutely grade a NEXT LEVEL SHIT. My jaw dropped. SO BE NICE and patient and Twine will reward you with beautiful tracks, if you're a music lover, and if you're reading this, you are. But, I have to say, Chad definitely puts his money where his mouth is. Few peops are really in that game. and goddammit let mego be mego, you all spend too much time being catty and shit-talking and not enough time on your tracks. GET BACK TO WORK FUCKERS!! Thousands worldwide peep Mego. That's enough reason for them to keep twerkin sumptin the way they do. I bet Fennesz busts a fucking nut reading all the garbage bag commentary about his music. It's hilarious. In my humble opinion, and in my experience, over analyzing and critiqueing music is so destructive and counter productive. Listen and love, or do not love, and just put on fucking Tortoise if you don't like what you hear. Jesus, it's really SIMPLE. make tracks, not war. it's about the TRACKS, not the opinions and the bad breath. love, joshua benelli design labs \telefon tel aviv ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

anyone who thinks mego are pretentious--read the interview in Groove Magazine. Very enlightening. basically says they are fucking around and think it's funny everyone feels they are so intellectual. at least, that is the impression I got. At 04:24 AM 7/22/2000 -0500, you wrote:

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>HEY HEY HEY Hansen, > >Am i gonna have to post my cover of KUM BA YAA so we all stop pointing >fingers? > > I will step in to defend Twine, an artist way more sweated than most > people think. Be sure to check out their upcoming 12" on the Hefty > Records Immediate Action series- YOU WILL EAT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR > WORDS. The two tracks that I heard (that most of you may have not, as > Slicker has that shit on lock down) are absolutely grade a NEXT LEVEL > SHIT. My jaw dropped. >SO BE NICE and patient and Twine will reward you with beautiful tracks, if >you're a music lover, and if you're reading this, you are. > >But, I have to say, Chad definitely puts his money where his mouth >is. Few peops are really in that game. > >and goddammit let mego be mego, you all spend too much time being catty >and shit-talking and not enough time on your tracks. GET BACK TO WORK >FUCKERS!! Thousands worldwide peep Mego. That's enough reason for them >to keep twerkin sumptin the way they do. I bet Fennesz busts a fucking >nut reading all the garbage bag commentary about his music. It's >hilarious. In my humble opinion, and in my experience, over analyzing and >critiqueing music is so destructive and counter productive. Listen and >love, or do not love, and just put on fucking Tortoise if you don't like >what you hear. Jesus, it's really SIMPLE. > >make tracks, not war. it's about the TRACKS, not the opinions and the bad >breath. > >love, > >joshua >benelli design labs >\telefon tel aviv >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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