--- John <turbo@zip.com.au> wrote:
quoted 7 lines Gonzi,
> Gonzi,
>
> >William, saying that a piece of music is garbage is
> exactly AGAINST
> >everything the list is about. IDM used to be about
> a sense of community and
> >shared interest.
I don't know if this is worth clarifying, I didn't
refer to anything as garbage. I did defend someone's
right to say if they think it's garbage to say it and
be honest about it.
With regards to comment "saying that a piece of music
is garbage is exactly AGAINST everything the list is
about".
I have always intrepretted this list as a forum to
discuss music. I think "honesty" is an essential part
of that discussion. Perhaps you feel that negative
comments should be watered down or surpressed, I
disagree. I would rather see two sides to the story.
I would like to hear why someone likes it and why
someone else doesn't.
I am also of the belief that people can think for
themselves and distinguish what they want to take out
of the discussion.
quoted 1 line The increasing lack of thought put behind some the
> The increasing lack of thought put behind some the
opinions
quoted 4 lines I see here serves only to alienate people and
> >I see here serves only to alienate people and
> discourage them from exposing
> >themselves and releasing something in the first
> place.
I don't think it alienates anyone. Everyone should be
able to distinguish that a post is only one person's
opinion.
With regards to discouraging an artist from releasing
something, that's pretty funny. I wouldn't think that
any artist would expect EVERYONE to love them. Some
will like it and some won't, why worry about it? Go
with your passion!
quoted 2 lines the list comes to that then what's the point of
>> the list comes to that then what's the point of
>> continuing with it at all?
So unless you only say positive things about
everything, the list isn't worth doing? Ok all you
opinionated people, time to take your prozac, E, or
thorazine so we can keep things chipper and sunshiney
all of the time. Maybe a nice Haiku or poem might be
special.
quoted 3 lines The current state of the list and the decreasing
> >The current state of the list and the decreasing
> >number of contributing artists and label
> >representative to it is no coincidence.
So why is that? Because people are honest? Most of
the people I know that have unsubscribed (and of
course I am speaking of fans, not artists) have done
so because there are TOO many posts with not enough
substance to it. It seems harder to find those
"pearls of wisdom" in a lot of post these days.
quoted 3 lines Whether or not Phoenecia cares (and I'm sure they
> >Whether or not Phoenecia cares (and I'm sure they
> >probably don't), you should care. This is our list,
> >damn you.
Take some time to read past posts, I have NEVER said
one BAD thing about Phoenecia/Schematic EVER on this
list. I dare you to try and fine some.
Stop popping pills and learn to keep things straight.
quoted 8 lines Actually when the list first started there wasn't
> Actually when the list first started there wasn't
> much in the way of
> established or otherwise artists on it back then,
> except for Greg Eden
> jagging a job with Warp because of his enthusiasm
> for the music and his
> Warp discography. So the question I put to you is
> decreasing from what?
Quantity of emails & quantity of substance is might
bet. I know SO MANY people that feel like the list
just wasn't worth it anymore for them. And they still
love the music!
And I must say another possible reason, is that they
have already learned enough about some artists that
have dominate the attention of the list. I took a
break for a while myself (years back), because I
already knew everything I wanted to know about
Squarepusher, Autechre, and RDJ. Everyday they were
discussed, nothing new really added, and it got
boring.
I'm glad to see these days that people are adding
input from all over from noise to minimalism, etc. I
think the list improves when people bring in
discussion about other electronic music that might not
be strictly defined as IDM.
quoted 11 lines When was the peak of artist involvement with this
> When was the peak of artist involvement with this
> list.. the Ae spat or the RDJ tiff?
>
> Having said that I don't disagree with fostering a
> better community
> attitude but it ain't going to be done through this
> list or any other list
> or the internet for that matter because people can
> be hostile towards each
> other without fear of too much in the way of
> repercussions.
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