William Samuels wrote:
I don't know if you did it deliberately or by accident, but since you
didn't add Gonzi to your reply field anything above your "Stop popping
pills and learn to keep things straight." line is from Gonzi's original
message and your reply to that... I never wrote a word of it. Can you
please practice what your preach and stop popping pills so you can assign
what is said on list to the right person.
I for one agree with you sentiment that a person has the right to speak
there mind. Doesn't mean I don't think there is too much negativity on the
list though.
Cheers,
John
quoted 124 lines --- John <turbo@zip.com.au> wrote:
>--- John <turbo@zip.com.au> wrote:
> > Gonzi,
> >
> > >William, saying that a piece of music is garbage is
> > exactly AGAINST
> > >everything the list is about. IDM used to be about
> > a sense of community and
> > >shared interest.
>
>I don't know if this is worth clarifying, I didn't
>refer to anything as garbage. I did defend someone's
>right to say if they think it's garbage to say it and
>be honest about it.
>
>With regards to comment "saying that a piece of music
>is garbage is exactly AGAINST everything the list is
>about".
>I have always intrepretted this list as a forum to
>discuss music. I think "honesty" is an essential part
>of that discussion. Perhaps you feel that negative
>comments should be watered down or surpressed, I
>disagree. I would rather see two sides to the story.
>I would like to hear why someone likes it and why
>someone else doesn't.
>
>I am also of the belief that people can think for
>themselves and distinguish what they want to take out
>of the discussion.
>
> > The increasing lack of thought put behind some the
>opinions
> > >I see here serves only to alienate people and
> > discourage them from exposing
> > >themselves and releasing something in the first
> > place.
>
>I don't think it alienates anyone. Everyone should be
>able to distinguish that a post is only one person's
>opinion.
>
>With regards to discouraging an artist from releasing
>something, that's pretty funny. I wouldn't think that
>any artist would expect EVERYONE to love them. Some
>will like it and some won't, why worry about it? Go
>with your passion!
>
> >> the list comes to that then what's the point of
> >> continuing with it at all?
>
>So unless you only say positive things about
>everything, the list isn't worth doing? Ok all you
>opinionated people, time to take your prozac, E, or
>thorazine so we can keep things chipper and sunshiney
>all of the time. Maybe a nice Haiku or poem might be
>special.
>
> > >The current state of the list and the decreasing
> > >number of contributing artists and label
> > >representative to it is no coincidence.
>
>So why is that? Because people are honest? Most of
>the people I know that have unsubscribed (and of
>course I am speaking of fans, not artists) have done
>so because there are TOO many posts with not enough
>substance to it. It seems harder to find those
>"pearls of wisdom" in a lot of post these days.
>
> > >Whether or not Phoenecia cares (and I'm sure they
> > >probably don't), you should care. This is our list,
> > >damn you.
>
>Take some time to read past posts, I have NEVER said
>one BAD thing about Phoenecia/Schematic EVER on this
>list. I dare you to try and fine some.
>
>Stop popping pills and learn to keep things straight.
>
> > Actually when the list first started there wasn't
> > much in the way of
> > established or otherwise artists on it back then,
> > except for Greg Eden
> > jagging a job with Warp because of his enthusiasm
> > for the music and his
> > Warp discography. So the question I put to you is
> > decreasing from what?
>
>Quantity of emails & quantity of substance is might
>bet. I know SO MANY people that feel like the list
>just wasn't worth it anymore for them. And they still
>love the music!
>
>And I must say another possible reason, is that they
>have already learned enough about some artists that
>have dominate the attention of the list. I took a
>break for a while myself (years back), because I
>already knew everything I wanted to know about
>Squarepusher, Autechre, and RDJ. Everyday they were
>discussed, nothing new really added, and it got
>boring.
>
>I'm glad to see these days that people are adding
>input from all over from noise to minimalism, etc. I
>think the list improves when people bring in
>discussion about other electronic music that might not
>be strictly defined as IDM.
>
> > When was the peak of artist involvement with this
> > list.. the Ae spat or the RDJ tiff?
> >
> > Having said that I don't disagree with fostering a
> > better community
> > attitude but it ain't going to be done through this
> > list or any other list
> > or the internet for that matter because people can
> > be hostile towards each
> > other without fear of too much in the way of
> > repercussions.
>
>
>
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