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Re: (idm) Jake Mandell / Placekick EP

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1999-12-14 12:45Hulick Frank B. RE: (idm) intellectuality
└─ 1999-12-14 15:11Greg Clow RE: (idm) intellectuality
1999-12-14 15:26lazlo Re: (idm) intellectuality
1999-12-14 23:33Drusca Re: (idm) Jake Mandell / Placekick EP
└─ 1999-12-15 04:29Ed Hall Re: (idm) Jake Mandell / Placekick EP
└─ 1999-12-15 12:58alan r lucas Re: (idm) Jake Mandell / Placekick EP
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1999-12-14 12:45Hulick Frank B.could i possibly get some reaction/reviews of this: . Jake Mandell: the placekick cdep (Ca
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could i possibly get some reaction/reviews of this: . Jake Mandell: the placekick cdep (Carpark)? thanks. Brian Hulick _-==- :Martyrdom is beyond our control. Ministry is not:
quoted 70 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Lance @ Inaudible [mailto:lance@inaudible.com] > Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 11:57 PM > To: Visions Of Bubba > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (idm) intellectuality > > > At 10:53 PM 12/13/1999 -0600, you wrote: > >do idm'ers appreciate intelligent conversation posting? i was just > >curious cuz it's so mind expanding to hear many different opinions on > >issues. since i'm listening to dmx krew's "come to me", i have to > >validate my intelligence somehow. if there is enough > positive feedback, > >i could provide some nice, controversial topics as i am a national > >debater and would be interested in extracurricular argumentation. > > please dont post topics for debate on this list unless they are > directly related to the music discussed on this list. we have far > too much off topic banter on this list as is. controversial debates > are the last thing this list needs. Any lengthy debates about issues > not releated or remotely related to music might be enough to scare > even the longtime list members off this list. > > if you're going to post, please post about electronic music - artists, > labels, releases, genres, etc... > > and to make this post have some musical worth, here are the releases > that have been rattling my cage this past week or so... > . Monolake: fragile/static 12" (Monolake) > . Roger Van Lunteren: tmæins LP (Heimelektro) > . Solovyev: poprad LP (Oni-tor) > . Michael Fakesch: marion cd (Studio K7!/Musik Aus Strom) > . Sendertechnik 001 comp LP (A.D.S.R.) > . Burnt Friedman & the Nu Dub Players: do not legalize it! > 12" (~Scape) > . Gimmik: random access 12" (Worm Interface) > . Phonem: the mechanic verses 2x12" (Jetlag) > . SND/Shirt Trax: premium leisure 12" (Blir) > . Scarcubem: 41'17" prasenz cd (Decode/Heimelektro) > . Jake Mandell: the placekick cdep (Carpark) > . Taylor Deupree + Richard Chartier: spec cd (12k) > . Novel 23: melodies of childhood for advanced imagination cd > (Pitchcadet) > . Johem Paap: vrs-mbnt-pcs 9598 ii cd (Fax) > . Wolfgang Voigt: 20 to 2000 #11 cdep (Rastermusic) > . Various Artists: 8, 8.5, 9 remix cd (Fat Cat) > . Nummer Een comp cd (Djak Up bitch/Phonics) > . Kid606 & Friends vol 1 comp cd (Tigerbeat6) > . Chessie: meet cd (Drop Beat) > . Crank: Heftibag cd (Mille Plateaux) > . Lithops: blasmusik 7" (Robot) > . The Actors Pendantry: s/t 12" (Pub) > . Accelera Deck: halo 12" (Morr Music) > . B. Fleischmann: sidonie 12" (Morr Music) > . Scanner: mort aux vaches cd (Staalplaat) > . Aspen: my new building singer 1-13 cdr (Involve) > . Kit Clayton: nek sanalet cd (Scape) > > -->-Lance--- > lance@inaudible.com > p.o. box 450715 > westlake, ohio 44145 > united states > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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1999-12-14 15:11Greg ClowOn Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Hulick Frank B. wrote: > could i possibly get some reaction/reviews o
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On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Hulick Frank B. wrote:
quoted 2 lines could i possibly get some reaction/reviews of this: . Jake Mandell: the> could i possibly get some reaction/reviews of this: . Jake Mandell: the > placekick cdep (Carpark)?
Just listening to this now, and it's as good as I expected. Trods on the same skittery-beat path as his earlier releases like the Midwest EP, but tempered with a bit of the dark ambience he explored on Healing. Mandell hasn't disappointed me yet. Greg -- Greg Clow - greg@stainedproductions.com - http://www.stainedproductions.com - feedback monitor - electronic & experimental radio/reviews/interviews - - http://www.stainedproductions.com/feedback/ - - Dead Voices On Air & Not Breathing - December 22nd - Reverb - Toronto - --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-12-14 15:26lazloYep yep yep...this is an excellent release (music and packaging). Carpark did this one som
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Yep yep yep...this is an excellent release (music and packaging). Carpark did this one some justice. As Greg states, the jarring percussion you'd expect is there, but melodic invention is foregrounded this time. I get the sense Jake's music may soon eclipse the work of more revered artists oft praised on this list; it's obvious to my ear that his knowledge of jazz composition is starting to set him apart as one of the musicians in the genre...as opposed to the sound tinkerers. In making that distinction, I'll posit that one isn't "better" than the other, just different. Topping that off with the Various Artists 8.8.5.9.Remixes makes yesterday a banner day for the Postal industry. laz Greg Clow wrote:
quoted 22 lines On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Hulick Frank B. wrote:> > On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Hulick Frank B. wrote: > > > could i possibly get some reaction/reviews of this: . Jake Mandell: the > > placekick cdep (Carpark)? > > Just listening to this now, and it's as good as I expected. Trods on the > same skittery-beat path as his earlier releases like the Midwest EP, but > tempered with a bit of the dark ambience he explored on Healing. Mandell > hasn't disappointed me yet. > > Greg > > -- > Greg Clow - greg@stainedproductions.com - http://www.stainedproductions.com > - feedback monitor - electronic & experimental radio/reviews/interviews - > - http://www.stainedproductions.com/feedback/ - > - Dead Voices On Air & Not Breathing - December 22nd - Reverb - Toronto - > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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1999-12-14 23:33Druscalazlo wrote: > I get the sense Jake's music may soon eclipse the work of more revered > ar
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lazlo wrote:
quoted 6 lines I get the sense Jake's music may soon eclipse the work of more revered> I get the sense Jake's music may soon eclipse the work of more revered > artists oft praised on this list; it's obvious to my ear that his > knowledge of jazz composition is starting to set him apart as one of the > musicians in the genre...as opposed to the sound tinkerers. In making > that distinction, I'll posit that one isn't "better" than the other, > just different.
Excuse me ? Knowledge of jazz composition ? As someone who has actually studied jazz composition and listened to jazz for many years I have to say I don't hear any jazz in Mandell's writing, only some inconsequential, directionless melodic noodling placed on top of another one of his percussive experiments. While I enjoy the "Placekick" EP quite a lot, that is due to his impressive programming skills (and sound design to a lesser extent) which seem to be getting better by the minute. I definitely think his melodic writing is his weakness. Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-12-15 04:29Ed HallDrusca <drusca@erols.com> wrote: : . . . . I have to say I don't hear : any jazz in Mandel
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Drusca <drusca@erols.com> wrote: : . . . . I have to say I don't hear : any jazz in Mandell's writing, only some inconsequential, directionless : melodic noodling placed on top of another one of his percussive experiments. : While I enjoy the "Placekick" EP quite a lot, that is due to his impressive : programming skills (and sound design to a lesser extent) which seem to be : getting better by the minute. I definitely think his melodic writing is his : weakness. What you said! The first Jake Mandell I heard ("Parallel Processes") was pure sonic adrenaline the first two times I listened to it. It's fortunate he didn't have much recorded at that time, or I would have gone out and bought all of it. By the fourth listen the effect of his rhythm programming wore off, and the amateurism of his trite melodies and aimless harmonic progressions started to grate on me--BAD. I just can't listen to Parallel Processes any more, and though the Placekick EP shows some improvement (and the same rhythmic inventiveness as before), it's already starting to wear thin. Simple, repetitive melodies and harmonies can be extremely effective (e.g. Ae's Amber). Perhaps Jake is just trying too hard to be "musical." His sonic talents appear to lie outside of traditional melodic/harmonic axes, in any case. There is much interesting music to be made that rejects these elements in any case... -Ed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-12-15 12:58alan r lucasfunny, it took me a really long time to get into parallel processes, but now i totally dig
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funny, it took me a really long time to get into parallel processes, but now i totally dig it. everyone seems to agree that the rhythm programming is great, but the melodies don't bother me at all, really. speaking of worminterface, just picked up colony laspberry by baraki. what a disc! worminterface really seem to be putting lots of good stuff out. can't wait for the new plod. still no release date on the site, though. alan! On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Ed Hall wrote:
quoted 25 lines What you said! The first Jake Mandell I heard ("Parallel Processes") was> What you said! The first Jake Mandell I heard ("Parallel Processes") was > pure sonic adrenaline the first two times I listened to it. It's fortunate > he didn't have much recorded at that time, or I would have gone out and > bought all of it. By the fourth listen the effect of his rhythm programming > wore off, and the amateurism of his trite melodies and aimless harmonic > progressions started to grate on me--BAD. I just can't listen to Parallel > Processes any more, and though the Placekick EP shows some improvement (and > the same rhythmic inventiveness as before), it's already starting to wear > thin. > > Simple, repetitive melodies and harmonies can be extremely effective > (e.g. Ae's Amber). Perhaps Jake is just trying too hard to be "musical." > His sonic talents appear to lie outside of traditional melodic/harmonic > axes, in any case. There is much interesting music to be made that > rejects these elements in any case... > > -Ed > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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