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On Tue, 07 Dec 1999 10:31:47 -0400 cognition@ns.sympatico.ca (Andrew Duke) writes:

quoted 5 lines Yesterday, I was assuming Phil was alluding to the blasphemous

> Yesterday, I was assuming Phil was alluding to the blasphemous > "filter house-y" remixes of Bob Marley's "Sun Is Shining" > that are currently doing the rounds on that label. Geez, > leave poor Bob alone. Andrew Duke >

im listening to this abomination right now and ur right on the money...but it still isnt worse than the cleopatra marley remixes abortion... tom w ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

What I don't understand is how the label could have missed the boat on this Bob Marley "Sun Is Shining" travesty. Like, duh, Bob Marley's music is top quality *as it was released*, and it doesn't get any worse with time, and thus doesn't need a "fresh new update". His best stuff is classic material, no doubt about it. To remix Marley with *filter house-y* BS as has been done, makes it seem like the label is trying to make Marley "of the moment" (ie. current dance craze to be forgotten when the next one hits), which is a huge dis-service to his legacy. What the label also seems to have missed is that the people who get into and dance to and enjoy this Bob Marley "Sun Is Shining" filter-house remix BS are, in all liklihood, definitely not going to say to themselves "hey, i'm digging this filter house remix of Marley; though I assume his original material doesn't sound like this, I'm going to investigate his back catalog." Heavy on the sarcasm here, of course. Plain and simple, Marley should be marketed in a classy way, to remix him as has been done with "Sun Is Shining" is the opposite of class--it's plain *crass*. I'm hearing this mix mixed in with stuff like Celine Dion and Shania Twain and Jennifer Lopez and pinnacle pop stuff like that. And I haven't heard anybody get turned on to checking out the "real Marley" because of this "Sun Is Shining" BS. Reissues of Marley would be a much smarter move; with new tracks, perhaps, extensive liner notes, nice packaging, etc; that would appeal to those who respect his vision and don't dig dance remixes, plus, if marketed and promoted properly, might draw in some new people to marley's music who aren't familiar with it. While it's the capitalist way to aim for the lowest common denominator, it's truly condescending to aim low "just in case people might not get it". Heck, progress only comes from those who aim higher! Columbia did a great job with the Panthalassa reworks of Miles Davis, showing that if you really want to do this, it *can* be done tastefully. L. Hill and some others have covered Marley material tastefully too. But to slap a Marley vocal onto a made-in-a-minute filterhouse loop just for the sake of sales/exposure/ whatever, is not doing Marley or the label any favors in the longterm. Seems like there was a huge absence of thought behind that remix. Hope it isn't a harbinger of things to come. As I said before, leave Bob Marley alone. Island and Palm Pictures and Rykodisc really need to *think harder* on this one. My .02 Andrew Duke thomas m weibrecht wrote:

quoted 17 lines On Tue, 07 Dec 1999 10:31:47 -0400 cognition@ns.sympatico.ca (Andrew

> On Tue, 07 Dec 1999 10:31:47 -0400 cognition@ns.sympatico.ca (Andrew > Duke) writes: > > Yesterday, I was assuming Phil was alluding to the blasphemous > > "filter house-y" remixes of Bob Marley's "Sun Is Shining" > > that are currently doing the rounds on that label. Geez, > > leave poor Bob alone. Andrew Duke > > > > im listening to this abomination right now and ur right on the > money...but it still isnt worse than the cleopatra marley remixes > abortion... > > tom w > ___________________________________________________________________ > Why pay more to get Web access? > Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! > Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

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for a classy version on 'sun is shining', check out the krush/kondo remake from the 1998 album ki-oku on apollo. np;jake mandell:parallel processes. the more i listen to this, the better it gets. On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Andrew Duke wrote:

quoted 89 lines What I don't understand is how the label could

> What I don't understand is how the label could > have missed the boat on this Bob Marley "Sun > Is Shining" travesty. Like, duh, Bob Marley's music > is top quality *as it was released*, and it doesn't > get any worse with time, and thus doesn't need > a "fresh new update". His best stuff is classic > material, no doubt about it. To remix Marley > with *filter house-y* BS as has been done, > makes it seem like the label is trying to make > Marley "of the moment" (ie. current dance craze > to be forgotten when the next one hits), > which is a huge dis-service to his legacy. What > the label also seems to have missed is that the > people who get into and dance to and enjoy this > Bob Marley "Sun Is Shining" filter-house remix > BS are, in all liklihood, definitely not going to say > to themselves "hey, i'm digging this filter house remix > of Marley; though I assume his original material doesn't > sound like this, I'm going to investigate his back > catalog." Heavy on the sarcasm here, of course. > Plain and simple, Marley should be marketed in > a classy way, to remix him as has been done with > "Sun Is Shining" is the opposite of class--it's plain > *crass*. I'm hearing this mix mixed in with stuff > like Celine Dion and Shania Twain and Jennifer > Lopez and pinnacle pop stuff like that. > And I haven't heard anybody get turned on to > checking out the "real Marley" because of this > "Sun Is Shining" BS. Reissues of Marley would > be a much smarter move; with new tracks, perhaps, > extensive liner notes, nice packaging, etc; that would appeal to > those who respect his vision and don't dig dance > remixes, plus, if marketed and promoted properly, > might draw in some new people to marley's music > who aren't familiar with it. While it's the capitalist > way to aim for the lowest common denominator, it's > truly condescending to aim low "just in case people > might not get it". Heck, progress only comes from > those who aim higher! Columbia did a great > job with the Panthalassa reworks of Miles Davis, > showing that if you really want to do this, it *can* > be done tastefully. L. Hill and some others have > covered Marley material tastefully too. But to > slap a Marley vocal onto a made-in-a-minute > filterhouse loop just for the sake of sales/exposure/ > whatever, is not doing Marley or the label any > favors in the longterm. Seems like there was a huge > absence of thought behind that remix. Hope it > isn't a harbinger of things to come. As I said before, > leave Bob Marley alone. Island and Palm Pictures > and Rykodisc really need to *think harder* on this > one. My .02 > Andrew Duke > > thomas m weibrecht wrote: > > > On Tue, 07 Dec 1999 10:31:47 -0400 cognition@ns.sympatico.ca (Andrew > > Duke) writes: > > > Yesterday, I was assuming Phil was alluding to the blasphemous > > > "filter house-y" remixes of Bob Marley's "Sun Is Shining" > > > that are currently doing the rounds on that label. Geez, > > > leave poor Bob alone. Andrew Duke > > > > > > > im listening to this abomination right now and ur right on the > > money...but it still isnt worse than the cleopatra marley remixes > > abortion... > > > > tom w > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Why pay more to get Web access? > > Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! > > Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > > -- > ***be sure to check out the 1999 Fundraising > Auction for CKDU on the Cognition site*** > Cognition/Andrew Duke's In The Mix > mailto:cognition@techno.ca > http://techno.ca/cognition > 1096 Queen St #123 Halifax NS Canada B3H 2R9 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Note: 1) I haven't heard the mixes. 2) I didn't know there was a renewed major label push for Bob Marley's backcatalog.... BUT Consider for a moment the remixers perspective. If somebody threw a lot of money at you to toy around with some of the greatest source material out there, damn it, I'd go nuts over it. That would be just as cool as, say, I got access to all the Abba masters to do funky house mixes..... :) The only thing BS about it is if the mixes came out all shite. Aaron --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Bob Marley was remixed with a great deal of class by Bill Laswell., IMO the only man with the credentials to do him justice. The Sun Is Shining remix is great club fodder, but i would have to agree: the way it has been marketed and the people who give it props are doing his original material a diservice. we can only hope some goon will go to a record store and ask for the bob marley remix and have someone in the know pass him a copy of Dreams of Freedom (Laswell's work). There also this Bob Marley remix album out (without the Sun Is Shining track) with people like Lauren Hill singing with him... haven't heard it yet- don't know if i want to hear Puff Daddy freestyle over Punky Reggae Party (or whatever other top 40 crap they're mixing him up with). db --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 04:29 PM 12/8/99 -0800, you wrote:

quoted 4 lines There also this Bob Marley remix album out (without the Sun Is Shining

>There also this Bob Marley remix album out (without the Sun Is Shining >track) with people like Lauren Hill singing with him... haven't heard it >yet- don't know if i want to hear Puff Daddy freestyle over Punky Reggae >Party (or whatever other top 40 crap they're mixing him up with).

just to clarify, although i agree that this album, titled 'chant down babylon' is pretty much uneccesarry (just stick with the originals), it's hardly top 40 crap. among the 'top 40 crap' artists included are Rakim, The Roots, Guru, Erykah Badu, Chuck D, etc. Really, with the exception of Badu & Hill it's hardly top 40 (and neither of them should be classified as crap, either) this is obviously a geninuine attempt at a tribute, not a marketing scheme. All of the artists involved respectable musicians, and seem to have respect for Marley. I mean, really if they wanted to do an album of top 40 crap they'd have brought in n'sync. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org