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1999-12-06 22:57Michael Upton (idm) RE: Sucky reviews
1999-12-07 00:19Sean Cooper (idm) Re: sucky reviews
1999-12-07 00:44Philip Sherburne (idm) re: sucky reviews
1999-12-07 14:31Andrew Duke Re: (idm) re: sucky reviews
1999-12-07 22:47Philip Sherburne RE: (idm) re: sucky reviews
1999-12-07 23:27Danny Wyatt RE: (idm) re: sucky reviews
1999-12-08 14:23thomas m weibrecht Re: (idm) re: sucky reviews
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1999-12-06 22:57Michael UptonI'm on the don't-review-stuff-you're-not-interested-in side of the fence. Bearing that in
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I'm on the don't-review-stuff-you're-not-interested-in side of the fence. Bearing that in mind, I would say that one kind of negative review I do like is a disappointed one, ie. where a reviewer who ordinarily likes that kind of release finds something a terrible let down. And none of this mincing words. Why should "I didn't like this" be any more offensive than "this is not my bag"? All that's important is to explain why, IMO. I also believe that the kinds of things Kent suggested reviewers should look at to get beyond personal preference (eg. how a release is constructed) are just as arbitrary as saying "Hey, I like it." More "pre-received" than arbitrary, actually, if anyone's into lit crit. What I mean is that a reviewer must make some assumptions on what someone wants a recording to sound like before making any meaningful comments on whether the thing is well put together. I'd say these assumptions are necessarily subjective, just like personal taste. This is not to say don't do it. I think trying to get outside your own reaction in a review is a commendable thing. I just don't think it's fair to claim some kind of greater objectivity over, say, a gushing personal review. On another note, comparisons are also something that niggles with me in reviews, if they're not expanded upon. _So_ often I can't understand what reviewers are attempting to convey in their comparisons. This is especially the case with those mysterious "soundlcash" comparisons. "It's like Uwe Schmidt and Tim Buckley grew up together in Surrey, under the tutelage of Charlemagne Palestine. Half way through the album, Palestine goes to get a pint of lager, and ends up in a drunken brawl with Mike Paradinas's chirpy second cousins." You know the routine. :-) Still, despite being frequently disappointed with how a comparison fits a release, it does also often inspire me to try to create what I'd initially imagined! Michael np. 'Zuckerzeit' - Cluster (has some very nice, IDM-relevant moments) ^ Hear some Jet Jaguar http://mp3.com/jetjaguar/ ^ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-12-07 00:19Sean Cooper>i'm beginning to think that when a horrible release is *also* indicative >of a larger tre
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Mon, 06 Dec 1999 16:19:10 -0800
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quoted 2 lines i'm beginning to think that when a horrible release is *also* indicative>i'm beginning to think that when a horrible release is *also* indicative >of a larger trend ... then it's worth slagging and slagging hard.
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quoted 2 lines an upcoming palm pictures release is case in point, though i'm>an upcoming palm pictures release is case in point, though i'm >generous enough not to name names here.
these two statements are having trouble playing in my sandbox together. sc --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-12-07 00:44Philip Sherburnethus goaded sean: >>i'm beginning to think that when a horrible release is *also* indicati
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Mon, 6 Dec 1999 16:44:43 -0800
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thus goaded sean:
quoted 2 lines i'm beginning to think that when a horrible release is *also* indicative>>i'm beginning to think that when a horrible release is *also* indicative >>of a larger trend ... then it's worth slagging and slagging hard.
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quoted 2 lines an upcoming palm pictures release is case in point, though i'm>>an upcoming palm pictures release is case in point, though i'm >>generous enough not to name names here.
quoted 1 line these two statements are having trouble playing in my sandbox together.>these two statements are having trouble playing in my sandbox together.
ok, you burst my bubble, i was saving it all up for a big bowl of vitriol, but the release in question is Supreme Beings of Leisure. and it's *really* awful, and i felt cheapened just for receiving a copy in the mail. p --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-12-07 14:31Andrew DukeYesterday, I was assuming Phil was alluding to the blasphemous "filter house-y" remixes of
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Tue, 07 Dec 1999 10:31:47 -0400
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Yesterday, I was assuming Phil was alluding to the blasphemous "filter house-y" remixes of Bob Marley's "Sun Is Shining" that are currently doing the rounds on that label. Geez, leave poor Bob alone. Andrew Duke Philip Sherburne wrote:
quoted 21 lines thus goaded sean:> thus goaded sean: > > >>i'm beginning to think that when a horrible release is *also* indicative > >>of a larger trend ... then it's worth slagging and slagging hard. > > >[snip] > > >>an upcoming palm pictures release is case in point, though i'm > >>generous enough not to name names here. > > >these two statements are having trouble playing in my sandbox together. > > ok, you burst my bubble, i was saving it all up for a big bowl of vitriol, > but the release in question is Supreme Beings of Leisure. and it's *really* > awful, and i felt cheapened just for receiving a copy in the mail. > > p > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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1999-12-07 22:47Philip Sherburneit's not trip-hop per se that i have a problem with -- in fact, Lamb's album was one of my
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it's not trip-hop per se that i have a problem with -- in fact, Lamb's album was one of my favorite guilty pleasures this year. it's just that SBL's music isn't *interesting* or good, and their use of faux-world influences makes me gag. trip hop i can live with, as long as someone thinks of a better name for it.
quoted 22 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Danny Wyatt [SMTP:danny@digiweb.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 3:10 PM > To: Andrew Duke Cognition/In The Mix; Philip Sherburne > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org; scooper@best.com > Subject: RE: (idm) re: sucky reviews > > Heh. I pretty much work within the Ryko Palm organization. I won't even > touch the "Sun is Shining" remixes, but they did give us all SBL promos in > October. Occasionally someone in the A&R room throws it on and I reach > for > my headphones... I've also heard way more Dieselboy and Breakbeateria > than > I'm aure OSHA regs would allow. > > I agree with the larger trend thing, though. I think when the SBL album > comes out next year--as well as an album from a band on Dreamworks, one of > whose members has made lauded IDM in the past--there might be a renewed > popular interest in trip-hop. > > >
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1999-12-07 23:27Danny WyattHeh. I pretty much work within the Ryko Palm organization. I won't even touch the "Sun is
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Heh. I pretty much work within the Ryko Palm organization. I won't even touch the "Sun is Shining" remixes, but they did give us all SBL promos in October. Occasionally someone in the A&R room throws it on and I reach for my headphones... I've also heard way more Dieselboy and Breakbeateria than I'm aure OSHA regs would allow. I agree with the larger trend thing, though. I think when the SBL album comes out next year--as well as an album from a band on Dreamworks, one of whose members has made lauded IDM in the past--there might be a renewed popular interest in trip-hop.
quoted 55 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Duke [mailto:cognition@ns.sympatico.ca] > Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 8:32 AM > To: Philip Sherburne > Cc: 'idm@hyperreal.org'; 'scooper@best.com' > Subject: Re: (idm) re: sucky reviews > > > Yesterday, I was assuming Phil was alluding to the blasphemous > "filter house-y" remixes of Bob Marley's "Sun Is Shining" > that are currently doing the rounds on that label. Geez, > leave poor Bob alone. Andrew Duke > > Philip Sherburne wrote: > > > thus goaded sean: > > > > >>i'm beginning to think that when a horrible release is *also* > indicative > > >>of a larger trend ... then it's worth slagging and slagging hard. > > > > >[snip] > > > > >>an upcoming palm pictures release is case in point, though i'm > > >>generous enough not to name names here. > > > > >these two statements are having trouble playing in my sandbox together. > > > > ok, you burst my bubble, i was saving it all up for a big bowl > of vitriol, > > but the release in question is Supreme Beings of Leisure. and > it's *really* > > awful, and i felt cheapened just for receiving a copy in the mail. > > > > p > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > -- > ***be sure to check out the 1999 Fundraising > Auction for CKDU on the Cognition site*** > Cognition/Andrew Duke's In The Mix > mailto:cognition@techno.ca > http://techno.ca/cognition > 1096 Queen St #123 Halifax NS Canada B3H 2R9 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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1999-12-08 14:23thomas m weibrechtOn Tue, 07 Dec 1999 10:31:47 -0400 cognition@ns.sympatico.ca (Andrew Duke) writes: > Yeste
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On Tue, 07 Dec 1999 10:31:47 -0400 cognition@ns.sympatico.ca (Andrew Duke) writes:
quoted 5 lines Yesterday, I was assuming Phil was alluding to the blasphemous> Yesterday, I was assuming Phil was alluding to the blasphemous > "filter house-y" remixes of Bob Marley's "Sun Is Shining" > that are currently doing the rounds on that label. Geez, > leave poor Bob alone. Andrew Duke >
im listening to this abomination right now and ur right on the money...but it still isnt worse than the cleopatra marley remixes abortion... tom w ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org