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(idm) Re: idm Digest 24 Nov 1999 07:34:16 -0000 Issue 56

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1999-12-06 19:52elk bot (idm) Re: idm Digest 24 Nov 1999 07:34:16 -0000 Issue 56
1999-12-06 21:11david turgeon Re: (idm) Re: idm Digest 24 Nov 1999 07:34:16 -0000 Issue 56
1999-12-06 21:14Chris Fahey RE: (idm) Re: idm Digest 24 Nov 1999 07:34:16 -0000 Issue 56
1999-12-07 03:06Re: (idm) Re: idm Digest 24 Nov 1999 07:34:16 -0000 Issue 56
1999-12-07 04:11Re: (idm) Re: idm Digest 24 Nov 1999 07:34:16 -0000 Issue 56
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1999-12-06 19:52elk botSomeone on idm wrote: <<I'm not convinced that reviewing music you don't like does anyone
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(idm) Re: idm Digest 24 Nov 1999 07:34:16 -0000 Issue 56
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Someone on idm wrote: <<I'm not convinced that reviewing music you don't like does anyone any favors >> I have to disagree here. Nothing is more frustrating than reading one of the idm zines that are out there and reading through 50-100 reviews w/o one bad one in there. Many of these reviews are for "micro-label" releases and they all get glowing praise. Now we all know that there's a lot of crap out there and I think when everybody just pats eachother on the behind all the time it does everyone a diservice (well, maybe everyone but the artist and the reviewer who will of course get future products in the mail). Why not just print the stuff on the press release while you're at it? remember, its called 'criticism' for a reason. __________________________________________________ FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-12-06 21:11david turgeon> <<I'm not convinced that reviewing music you don't like does anyone any > favors >> > I
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quoted 6 lines <<I'm not convinced that reviewing music you don't like does anyone any> <<I'm not convinced that reviewing music you don't like does anyone any > favors >> > I have to disagree here. Nothing is more frustrating than reading one > of the idm zines that are out there and reading through 50-100 reviews > w/o one bad one in there. Many of these reviews are for "micro-label" > releases and they all get glowing praise.
there's a reason for that: microlabel stuff usually isn't fed by hype & therefore is more likely to surprise a critic who's already heard a bunch of bullshit announced as the next autechre but which (strangely?!) never lives up to that. add to that the fair amount of people who can't get themselves to say a bad word about anything for fear of not getting any further promos (as you mentioned)... it's the sort of situation you can't do much about. that said, although i don't mind a nonstop barrage of 'glowing' reviews that much, i do have a problem with them when they're uninformative & sloppily written. a reviewer's goal is to find the words to describe music so as to make people understand it better; if they can't, then they're not doing much more than the dreaded 'this suckz / this roolz' routine. but that has more to do with the reviewer's descriptive skills than their tastes. horrible taste can always be excused when the description is accurate. the bottom line, as always: use your imagination! semi-idm content: anyone into the supersilent 4 cd on rune grammofon? i just bought it & i think it's quite nice (although it sounds a _tad_ too synthy at times). ~ david --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-12-06 21:14Chris Fahey> From: elk bot [mailto:elkbot@onebox.com] > Now we all know that there's a lot of crap ou
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quoted 1 line From: elk bot [mailto:elkbot@onebox.com]> From: elk bot [mailto:elkbot@onebox.com]
quoted 7 lines Now we all know that there's a lot of crap out there and I think when> Now we all know that there's a lot of crap out there and I think when > everybody just pats eachother on the behind all the time it > does everyone > a diservice (well, maybe everyone but the artist and the reviewer who > will of course get future products in the mail). Why not just > print the > stuff on the press release while you're at it?
Yeah, but we're not talking about that kind of situation (i.e., "it's all good!") , we're talking about giving honest reviews of music you like and allowing the crap to wallow in obscurity regardless of what their press release says. Personally, I agree that giving a bad review of obscure music is nearly useless. That is, unless the reviewer thinks that there is a problematic perception of the music that needs to be proactively "nipped in the bud": If everyone is saying that something is fabulous but a reviewer sincerely beleives that the reason people say they like it is because they are foolish, gullible, or corrupt or something, then the reviewer may see fit to bust that bubble with a scathing review. But what's the sense in dissing an underground/experimental artist? There are a million reasons why I might dislike something, only a few of which I would imagine mean anything to anyone but myself. On that tip, I could imagine that a good negative review might say more about the state of music in general, or the mind of the reviewer, than it does about the artist or the work. Anyway, for a great bubble-bust, read this: http://articles.citysearch.com/New_York/music/rjp/98_09_02/rant.html - Cf --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-12-07 03:06Desnuits@aol.comi dont know people. i hate to hear my music being criticized. it doesnt help me make bette
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i dont know people. i hate to hear my music being criticized. it doesnt help me make better music. (to some, of course, it does .. like trent reznor, for example, according to an interview with the producer of THE FRAGILE) now i WOULD want criticism from someone who is playing an active role in the production of the music, but if any of you who choose to listen to phluidbox and think it sucks ass, spare me the remarks. i'm not looking for criticism (unlike klunko). i just want you fun - loving technoheads to hear my verse.. as it is.. and for what it is... and for what you want it to be. i haved crowned myself the only worthy critic thus far, but i'll learn to live with criticism, so if you must. im living in a dreamworld, you're probably right ..... so be it. <A HREF="http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/27/phluidbox.html">MP3.com - phluidbox</A> <A HREF="http://www.mp3.com/artists/71/music_for_headphones.html">MP3.com - music for headphones</A> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-12-07 04:11Desnuits@aol.comhow do you do that thing where you reply to a message and you can see both messages? yes i
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how do you do that thing where you reply to a message and you can see both messages? yes i am incompetent, you'd be surprised that i can make electronic music --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org