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clipped the text at the bottom from the skimo new release list. at the risk of starting an annoying thread, what the hell is with this ongoing warp/nothing crap? who is really to blame here? it seems like Nothing trying to make a few more cents by reducing production costs, but maybe warp really is at fault for some reason. i honestly don't understand it. it seems so simple to me. if you want people to buy the US version, give them the same product on the same (or at least close) release date. why is this so hard? Nothing's plan may have worked before the internet came along and made it easy for anyone to get details on UK imports and buy them on-line. besides, don't they realize the typical autechre fan is not some average casual music listener, but rather someone very likely to actually care about hidden bonus tracks and unique packaging and be willing to put down a few extra dollars for it? and the import bans are just a joke. has anyone noticed the Nothing version of the LP5 CD is now coming in some truly ugly generic white package?

quoted 13 lines AUTECHRE: EP7 CD (WARP) $15.99

>AUTECHRE: EP7 CD (WARP) $15.99 >Whoever is to blame, this completely stupid and thoughtless move on >either nothing or warps part means that the import version is the only >one that has a secret "hidden track". limited supply on the import so >let me know which way you need to go. Even thought it is obvious that >the two versions are not exactly the same, the import is still import >banned so these are getting to me 3rd hand, so thats why the price is >higher. >Someone needs to tell these guys to get a grip. its been going on far >too long and the american consumers deserve better than to be ripped >off time and time again from these absolute greedheads! Its people >like you that helped warp become what they are today and this is how >they pay you back. evil.

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yeah, i got my copy of ep7 direct from warpmart, bonus track and all, and it still probably cost about the same as the nothing version would have cost me. bought the plaid from warp, too. why take chances on missing out on something. then again, there's the reverse where the UK version comes out and then they releasea US version with 'bonus tracks' culled from an ep or something. it's all a big pain in the butt. alan! np:v/a:life in the fat lane On Sat, 10 Jul 1999, brucelev wrote:

quoted 7 lines why is this so hard? Nothing's plan may have worked before the internet

> why is this so hard? Nothing's plan may have worked before the internet > came along and made it easy for anyone to get details on UK imports and buy > them on-line. besides, don't they realize the typical autechre fan is not > some average casual music listener, but rather someone very likely to > actually care about hidden bonus tracks and unique packaging and be willing > to put down a few extra dollars for it? and the import bans are just a joke. >

re: warp woes did anyone notice, lately, how warp items are released in Japan even before they're released in Europe? interesting...

Its my understanding that Japan has a policy something like this: A release must either: A.) Come out in Japan first Or: B.) Have extra tracks on it unique to the Japanese release Something to do with encouraging its people to purchase "home-grown" talent. This could explain why the Warp stuff shows up there first. 337is still trying to score the Japanese version of Consumed with the bonus 3" cd.

: clipped the text at the bottom from the skimo new release list. : at the risk of starting an annoying thread, what the hell is with this : ongoing warp/nothing crap? who is really to blame here? it seems like : Nothing trying to make a few more cents by reducing production costs, but : maybe warp really is at fault for some reason. i honestly don't understand : it. it seems so simple to me. if you want people to buy the US version, : give them the same product on the same (or at least close) release date. : why is this so hard? Nothing's plan may have worked before the internet : came along and made it easy for anyone to get details on UK imports and buy : them on-line. besides, don't they realize the typical autechre fan is not : some average casual music listener, but rather someone very likely to : actually care about hidden bonus tracks and unique packaging and be willing : to put down a few extra dollars for it? and the import bans are just a joke. would seem to me that warp would have control over what nothing was to release and that it would most likely be in their best interest to have THEIR release of it be unique with the extra track. and as everyone spouts off of how cheap nothing is because this extra track isn't present, anyone think about how cheap THEY might be waiting the extra time for a domestic release instead of themselves dishing out the few extra bucks to get the warp release. you get what you pay for so stop the crying

Why doesn't someone save all us USers the trouble and mp3 the track and post it somewhere? That's definitely not the results the labels wanted. _________________________________ Adam Roesch / roesch@augsburg.edu University of Idaho / Moscow / ID / USA Visit my Fila Brazillia/Pork Recordings fan site: http://dogbert.augsburg.edu/~roesch/pork/ "Because success needs killing" TRICKY

quoted 4 lines clipped the text at the bottom from the skimo new release list.

>clipped the text at the bottom from the skimo new release list. >at the risk of starting an annoying thread, what the hell is with this >ongoing warp/nothing crap? who is really to blame here? it seems like >Nothing trying to make a few more cents by reducing production costs, >but

come on people! shouldn't you all realize by now that domestic and import versions of albums are never the same, there's no need to be bitter. i tend to wonder what the dilly with japan only releases (ie. mouse on mars)? that's what irks me. what do labels have to gain from their fans having to shell out megabucks for far-away-land imports? anyhow. north american domestic releases of most other warp titles always provide us with bonus shit: aphex twin singles aren't broken into parts like they are in the U.K., RDJ album included Girl/boy (i was impatient and got the import versions of each and therefore spent $20 more than i should've), 2LS's "stay down" cd came with bonus tracks, etc... and now you complain about a tiny, hidden bonus track that's not even easily accessable. just be happy you aren't paying import prices. and: anyone pick up Ghost Orchid on Ash International? is there any music involved in this release? or is it all disembodied voices? tomas np: Sunny Day Real Estate - Diary

On Sat, 10 Jul 1999, Tomas Jirku wrote:

quoted 2 lines just be happy you aren't paying import prices.

> just be happy you aren't paying import prices. >

heheh... if you order direct from the UK, you'll probably pay *less* than you would for the domestic ep7. for example, if you order ep7 from warpmart today, with the exchange rate at $1.54USD/GBP (the best for the US i've seen in over two years!), you'd pay 7GBP + 2GBP for s&h. so 9GBP at the current exchange is $13.94USD. i haven't been to any local stores that are selling ep7, but i know cdnow has it for $10.99, but even then you have to add on probably at least three bucks for shipping and tax. and of course, if you order more than one item from warpmart, your shipping per item goes down and you can really make out. on average, an import single costs $10 or $11 US, but only about $7.75US even with warp's shipping factored in. anytime anything comes out on warp or rephlex, the first place i go is warpmart, just because i know that i can make out better buying it direct from them. oh, and some UK records shops like www.cow.co.uk will even let you subtract the VAT if you're buying from outside the UK, so you get to lop 17.5% off of their price. you can't beat that... just my .02 (or 0.01292GBP). alan! np:monolake:hongkong

I dont know where you saw this version, but this is the pre-release promo copy of LP5...I got it a while back about a month before the domestic release. I just got some copies of LP5 in last week from Nothing/Caroline and they were the same as all the others...but maybe Nothing is moving to this new packaging. .matthewford.

quoted 5 lines From: brucelev <brucelev@mindspring.com>

>From: brucelev <brucelev@mindspring.com> > >has anyone noticed the Nothing version of the LP5 CD is now coming in some >truly ugly generic white package? >

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apologies if greg already posted this to the list (I'm on digest), but this was greg eden's response to my casual mail to him re: ep7. greg wrote:

quoted 32 lines you lot are mad. nothing couldn't put the secret track on their version because

> > you lot are mad. nothing couldn't put the secret track on their version because > someone in america has patented the track 0 process. it's shit but there you go. > anyway you lot in america usually get loads of bonus tracks on releases, you > missed out on one this time. > > give it some thought please before leaping in and slagging people off. > > greg. > > On Fri, 09 Jul 1999 18:33:13 -0500, you wrote: > > >greg - > > > >not sure if you're aware of this and whether it was > >intentional on warp's part or a f*ck-up on nothing's part. > >needless to say, some folk Stateside are a little disgruntled. > > > >fyi... > > > >daevid j, > > > > > > > > > >> AUTECHRE: EP7 CD (WARP) $15.99 > >> Whoever is to blame, this completely stupid and thoughtless move on > >> either nothing or warps part means that the import version is the only > >> one that has a secret "hidden track". > > ::greg > ::www.warprecords.com

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Missed this before the last post: On Mon, 12 Jul 1999, >daevid< wrote:

quoted 8 lines [...] but this was greg eden's response to my casual mail to him re: ep7.

> [...] but this was greg eden's response to my casual mail to him re: ep7. > greg wrote: > > you lot are mad. nothing couldn't put the secret track on their version because > > someone in america has patented the track 0 process. it's shit but there you go. > > anyway you lot in america usually get loads of bonus tracks on releases, you > > missed out on one this time. > > > > give it some thought please before leaping in and slagging people off.

The letter was quite considerate, but IMO the reply was not. I think Greg from Warp should take his own advice, with regard to leaping and slagging. Did Autechre or Warp insist the hidden 'track 0' must not appear at the -end- of the CD? If not, then actually the blame should go to Nothing. --Mark __ Burning Rome : SENSELESS CD on Mindfield Records MindCD03 Cathartium 14 < http://www.burningrome.com/ > < more high-quality MP3s coming soon >

quoted 2 lines has anyone noticed the Nothing version of the LP5 CD is now coming in some

> has anyone noticed the Nothing version of the LP5 CD is now coming in some > truly ugly generic white package?

i think the gigantic horrible nothing logo on the back cover of ep7 does it for me. is the warp release like that? W-A-R-P. at least the warp logo is kind of cute. funny thing: i go to that record shop not long ago, specializing in club electronics. i ask what's the most fucked up stuff they have & they point me to a warp single. i tried not to laugh. -- david turgeon at http://www.notype.com