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My reasons for subscribing to the list? First of all it was the seeminly un-ending possibilities for obtaining new music by either trading or buying that really attracted me to IDM. I have never had so much new music to get into in my 15 odd years of collecting and listening to the stuff. Now its more than that - its the wealth of information that is posted daily. I've discovered so many labels in the past few months including the likes of Chocolate Industries, Schematic and Worm Interface. To me that can only be a good thing, broaden my horizons and all that... I put alot of faith in the recommendations of most people on the list, most recently in the reviews of the Dated CD from Toshoklabs. My faith has been rewarded yet again as it is an awesome CD. THATS why I'm on the list - my need for new music. Oh and listening to amusing arguements about whether AE (we're not worthy!!) did post to the list or not... Wenger Boy -----Original Message----- From: Crtrdge003@aol.com <Crtrdge003@aol.com> To: idm@hyperreal.org <idm@hyperreal.org> Date: 14 June 1999 23:16 Subject: Re: (idm) a tight-arsed mailing list?

quoted 11 lines In a message dated 6/14/99 3:06:56 PM Mountain Daylight Time,

>In a message dated 6/14/99 3:06:56 PM Mountain Daylight Time, >eerie@mnemonic.net writes: > >> >> hmm, or maybe possibly it's a knee jerk reaction to the >> overanalysis which sometimes thrives here, as demonstrated >> in this very post. if that's the case, boy is there egg >> on my face. > >egg on your face! Ha! Look at me I swim in that shit.. eh.. but oh well.. >that's what I do. I hope you don't think I'm *too* much of an arse for it..

I

quoted 3 lines mostly do it just for kicks. I let to get off whatever's on my mind, even

>mostly do it just for kicks. I let to get off whatever's on my mind, even >though it may not be too right at the time.. >no not a very wise philosophy for avoiding mistakes but you sure as hell

can

quoted 1 line learn alot from it. Don't worry.. I am much more cautious when it may

>learn alot from it. Don't worry.. I am much more cautious when it may

involve

quoted 1 line danger but in this case I don't have alot to lose but my face on this

>danger but in this case I don't have alot to lose but my face on this

list..

quoted 6 lines oh and you know that's my ultimate nightmare.. losing idm face. Oh why do

>oh and you know that's my ultimate nightmare.. losing idm face. Oh why do >people have to have faces anyways.. why can't we just walk around without >faces on? That's part of it. > >n >

In a message dated 6/14/99 1:34:41 PM Mountain Daylight Time, Crtrdge003 writes:

quoted 5 lines In a message dated 6/14/99 6:55:23 AM Mountain Daylight Time, jat@ast.leeds.

> In a message dated 6/14/99 6:55:23 AM Mountain Daylight Time, jat@ast.leeds. > ac.uk writes: > > > Hey, maybe it's a demonstration of why computers > > will probably never be able to match humans in composing original,

moving

quoted 1 line music?! They can replicate emotive patterns but probably not connect

> > music?! They can replicate emotive patterns but probably not connect

many

quoted 6 lines sequences together into an emotional whole that is more than the sum of

> > sequences together into an emotional whole that is more than the sum of > > its parts. > > yep. > > -=aaron

not to mention the computer does not speak with music, it has nothing to say.. it's simply a chain reaction.. a computer will never compose a melody with heart, muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch less perform it in a meaningful way.. however. I imagine using a tool such as a computer to create sounds from the patterns of strange algorhythms... etc. etc. many noise making possibilities.. *sigh*... oh well.. it's not worth it to me to sign off this list right now, I have alot to use it for.. it's an information library, furthermore there are plenty of wonderful people out there on the list, I've met them. I wouldn't suggest to anyone getting involved in the social struggle of pure whineyness that goes on around here,... I remember George Carlin once saying he could see the universe in people's eyes, but once they get together and start forming a group to hide their individualities,.. these days people have come up with more and more clever excuses not to be chill. This list is the most un-chill up tight anal squeeze in the world. By all means, as a place of peaceful exchange of ideas and thoughts and experiences.. which idealistically it should be, it is instead a never ending strive towards the beginning of a circle.. a never ending race towards what I'm not so sure.. all we ever do is exchange facts.. it's like an information list and whoever has the most information wins. and the length of time having knowing that junk and owning that shit is the frosting on the cake.. or is it visa versa? all I can do is sigh when I think about that, and that's it sigh and whatever.. because whatever, WHATEVER.. that's it. To even waste a second of your life worrying about who came first, or who did what first.. or what fucked who when where whatever.. F*CK IT<.-~ .............................................................................. ........................ well it doesn't matter... the internet is not a replacement for real life anyhow. I'm not going to say anymore I've said enough. n

from ryan kidwell, underscore head honcho & cex persona:

quoted 7 lines fuck, i think i sent that

> fuck, i think i sent that > last email only to you and not > to the list... wouldja mind forwarding > it to the list as well? sorry. i'm > using a really shitty unix terminal here > at work and cant retrieve it or anything. > thanks a bunch.

so there's the reply. enjoy! david

In a message dated 6/14/99 3:06:56 PM Mountain Daylight Time, eerie@mnemonic.net writes:

quoted 5 lines hmm, or maybe possibly it's a knee jerk reaction to the

> > hmm, or maybe possibly it's a knee jerk reaction to the > overanalysis which sometimes thrives here, as demonstrated > in this very post. if that's the case, boy is there egg > on my face.

egg on your face! Ha! Look at me I swim in that shit.. eh.. but oh well.. that's what I do. I hope you don't think I'm *too* much of an arse for it.. I mostly do it just for kicks. I let to get off whatever's on my mind, even though it may not be too right at the time.. no not a very wise philosophy for avoiding mistakes but you sure as hell can learn alot from it. Don't worry.. I am much more cautious when it may involve danger but in this case I don't have alot to lose but my face on this list.. oh and you know that's my ultimate nightmare.. losing idm face. Oh why do people have to have faces anyways.. why can't we just walk around without faces on? That's part of it. n

In a message dated 6/14/99 4:55:59 PM Mountain Daylight Time, Wenger@breathemail.net writes:

quoted 5 lines My reasons for subscribing to the list?

> > My reasons for subscribing to the list? > First of all it was the seeminly un-ending possibilities for obtaining new > music by either trading or buying that really attracted me to IDM. I have > never had so much new music to get into in my 15 odd years of collecting

and

quoted 10 lines listening to the stuff.

> listening to the stuff. > Now its more than that - its the wealth of information that is posted > daily. I've discovered so many labels in the past few months including the > likes of Chocolate Industries, Schematic and Worm Interface. To me that can > only be a good thing, broaden my horizons and all that... > I put alot of faith in the recommendations of most people on the list, most > recently in the reviews of the Dated CD from Toshoklabs. My faith has been > rewarded yet again as it is an awesome CD. > THATS why I'm on the list - my need for new music. > Oh and listening to amusing arguements about whether AE (we're not

worthy!!)

quoted 4 lines did post to the list or not...

> did post to the list or not... > > Wenger Boy >

yeah too bad for me I spend more time making music than collecting it.. I want to collect music in the future but right now all my money goes toward my music (weed goes under music catagory). I use the list much the same as you do, I came to it as a resource.. i simply do not use this resource as much as you do. Your obsession is music as well as mine, it's just I am more obsessed with exploring the sound I can create.. or do you make music as well? I'm just lazy.. my bullshit is unjustified, maybe I was feeling a little co-orest (or however you spell that, but I think that's a pretty creative spelling) by ae's post to do some mindless idm-bashing. But here's what I was thinking in the car just a few minutes ago (listening to music of course) if I can remember the gist of it.. put yourself in Ae's place.. You've got this whole list of people who supposadly.. even though this is very *unofficial* so I don't want to hear a bunch of cries later about it, but from a general perspective, this group, to this 1000 some odd folk, Autechre is practically a brand name. And for good reason, Autechre's music has alot of something in it, something I'd rather discuss only in person to delve into the depths of but not here, not now, because that's not what this post is about. But this something has stirred up a few good minds I will tell you that. And Ae of course are not the only great musicians on this earth but they are good and they are genuine. Oh now isn't that just a little too mooshy and mushy for the idm list.. but anyways... so there's this list of people who listen to this music and Ae is a big deal to them.. but how could Ae become a part of this list. Now this is all just stormed from my brain, it's all theorectical.. (it has to be I'm on idm) we know Sean and Rob have been reading the list, that much can be assumed.. but how much who knows, who cares. What we do know is that they've thought about the idea of becoming comfortable with communicating on the list, perhaps even on a regular basis. Sean and Rob invisioned themselves coming onto this list as regulars.. it weirded them out to think of the multitude of geeky worshipers who would be reading their words drooling at every drop.. every letter... what would this be like?? who would they repsond to? would they only post to the list, but not take responses? or would they only respond to a select few? would it develop into some kind of strange monarchy? .... erk.... and I quote "don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there" The most recent conversations I've had on the list have been with some of the most mature and inspiring people I've yet met here. Perhaps Sean and Rob acted too hastily.. if they only gave their insites and kept the exchange of information low.. oh wait.. but then.. who would they choose to respond to?.... Yes, it's probably in their best interests not to get involved in the list. There has to be a seperation of celebrities and their public. It just wouldn't work, it'd end up being like some kind of secret club.. those people who could talk to Ae and those who couldn't. Sean and Rob don't want it like that, god who could indure such bullshit. (not that I've ever met them) But a message to Sean and Rob, I'm sure you must know there is a multitude of great people out there and some of them subscribe to this list.. I know you know that more than I do because you've actually had the chance to meet quite a few of them.. You can't take the list as a whole and call all of it's contents shit... I'm sure you already know that, but as the same thing I have been guilty of myself, you needed to react on what you felt was right at the time. I'm not in depth on this list or your personality enough to truly know what bothered you but what I said above it what it seems like. I imagined it instantly,.. I could see both of you hands stretched out palms pointing towards the floor rotating your wrists "don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there don't go there" repeating it over and over, don't EVEN go there, don't even think a neuron-spark about it.. I know why, you couldn't do that, you can't do that, it'd be vain, it'd be all eyes on you, it's bad enough now, but this would put you in some kind of weird thing where'd you'd be doing it on a regular basis.. afterall.. that's gotta be it.. either you're in or you're out.., either you're a part of the list, or you're not.. it'd be self defeating, it'd be suicide, don't EVEN go there, don't even TOUCH that.. ha well I understand in that aspect,.. there are alot of good people on this list.. You know that, I'm sure.. there are some annoying bitches too (like little trin bitch).. but all in all it's really not that bad of a list. I agree with David, it's not, no matter what past shit I've said. I say alot, I don't always say the right thing? So how can you trust what I'm saying? Don't trust another's words, only take what your own heart tells you is wisdom. With that in mind, this post is done phep ................, aaron

quoted 6 lines What we do know is that they've thought

>What we do know is that they've thought >about the idea of becoming comfortable with communicating on the list, >perhaps even on a regular basis. >Sean and Rob invisioned themselves coming onto this list as regulars.. >it weirded them out to think of the multitude of geeky worshipers who would >be reading their words drooling at every drop.. every letter...

Yeah, but they were quite the assholes letting us know they decided it wasn't for them, rather than just checking out quietly. Perhaps it was just a big raspberry in the face of those drooling fans you speak of. Though to me it seemed like they were a bit princessy, didn't like to see their work bashed like that. And maybe this sort of off-subject debating bothered them. Draw your own conclusion. OBidm: Listening to the Coldcut mix album "Stoned...Chilled...Groove" today, paying close attention to it for the first time. Great album. Anyways, i meant to ask about or just comment on this group "Global Communication." This song "Maiden Voyage" is just great Reich-like stuff, IMO, better than Coldcut's "Music for no Musicians" and most (if not all) of the reinterpretations on the Reich Remixed CD (and i'm wondering why they weren't offered a spot on the remix CD, if any more of thier stuff is like this). I know i've read the name on the list before, but i didn't pay much attention. Anyone wanna point me in the direction of some of their stuff in the same vein (hopefully in-print and US). I also found out that Ryoji Ikeda's "+/-" sounds even cooler if listened to with a "bass boost" feature on, if anyone feels like trying it. _________________________________ Adam Roesch / roesch@augsburg.edu University of Idaho / Moscow / ID / USA Visit my Fila Brazillia/Pork Recordings fan site: http://dogbert.augsburg.edu/~roesch/pork/ "Because success needs killing" TRICKY

quoted 3 lines Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:53:20 EDT

>Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:53:20 EDT >From: Crtrdge003@aol.com >Subject: Re: (idm) a tight-arsed mailing list?

quoted 1 line put yourself in Ae's place..

>put yourself in Ae's place..

yes, I agree here 100% .. I can only imagine what might have happened if members from the Prodigy or the Chemical Brothers would have been on the list quite a few years back ;)

quoted 5 lines Yes, it's probably in their best interests not to get involved in the >list.

>Yes, it's probably in their best interests not to get involved in the >list. >There has to be a seperation of celebrities and their public. It just >wouldn't work, it'd end up being like some kind of secret club.. those >people >who could talk to Ae and those who couldn't. Sean and Rob don't want it >like >that, god who could indure such bullshit. (not that I've ever met them)

Well, I don't agree here 100%. It could be in their best interests to leave, but the thing about celebrities having to be seperated from their public, I don't agree. Bochum Welt hangs out in the EfNet #aphextwin channel in IRC, and once when I was there. I was talking, and he right out introduced himself to me. I knew who he was of course, coz I heard that he hangs out there.. That's not exactly what I'd call seperation, and there doesn't seem to be some kindof secret club there. I even vaguely remember hearing about a couple Hollywood celebrities who are open with their public. Of course, this is very vague and could be erroneuos, but.. I think that celebrities don't need to hide, unless it's some kind of mindless mob who will forever pursue them trying to rip the shirts off their back, or in this case, send them countless e-mails :) I'd like to think that the people on this list wouldn't do that to Ae or any other artist.. Some dealings with RDJ in the past here proved this? Not sure since I can't possibly know how many private responces he got or anything. -- Alex