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1999-06-09 22:28Joanisse, Robert (idm) k&d sessions
1999-06-09 23:52Darren Keast Re: (idm) k&d/ mixing software
└─ 1999-06-09 23:42Hrvatski Re: (idm) k&d/ mixing software
└─ 1999-06-09 23:52cristian Re: (idm) k&d/ mixing software
└─ 1999-06-10 14:24ChairCrusher Re: (idm) k&d/ mixing software
1999-06-10 00:39Brock Suter Re: (idm) k&d/ mixing software
1999-06-10 01:26Hrvatski Re: (idm) k&d/ mixing software
1999-06-10 02:26Tom Millar Re: (idm) k&d/ mixing software
1999-06-10 03:44clockwise Re: (idm) k&d/ mixing software
└─ 1999-06-10 04:11vrn Re: (idm) k&d/ mixing software
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1999-06-09 22:28Joanisse, Roberti heard that the vinyl version of kruder and dorfmeister's sessions comp is superior: extr
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i heard that the vinyl version of kruder and dorfmeister's sessions comp is superior: extra tracks and unmixed (which i prefer). does anyone know if this is true? also, is the cd _really_ mixed, or are the ands/beginnings of the songs just kind of "sequenced" together? thanks! RJ
1999-06-09 23:52Darren Keast> also, is the cd _really_ mixed, or are the ands/beginnings of the songs just > kind of "
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quoted 3 lines also, is the cd _really_ mixed, or are the ands/beginnings of the songs just> also, is the cd _really_ mixed, or are the ands/beginnings of the songs just > kind of "sequenced" together? >
I don't remember any of the songs being beat mixed. Just the ambient beginnings and ends are mixed. Speaking of which, the new Thievery Corporation DJ Kicks is really excellent. The press release says they used software to put the songs together (I was wondering how they got Les Baxter exotica to mix with hip-hop beats). I've heard Andrea Parker also used similar software to make her DJ Kicks...does anyone know what this software is and if there are shareware versions? thanks, darren
1999-06-09 23:42Hrvatski>Speaking of which, the new Thievery Corporation DJ Kicks is really excellent. >The press
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quoted 5 lines Speaking of which, the new Thievery Corporation DJ Kicks is really excellent.>Speaking of which, the new Thievery Corporation DJ Kicks is really excellent. >The press release says they used software to put the songs together (I was >wondering how they got Les Baxter exotica to mix with hip-hop beats). I've >heard Andrea Parker also used similar software to make her DJ Kicks...does >anyone know what this software is and if there are shareware versions?
From what I understand, EVERY DJ Kicks release (except for the John Acquaviva "Skills" CD, which is part of an actual DJ mix series) is done in Pro Tools (yes, even the Carl Craig/Claude Young/Kevin Saunderson/etc...). Kind of defeats the concept of DJ mix CD's, but of course yields excellent results in a non-real-time composition of a DJ set. Coldcut's "Journeys By DJ" set sort of proved the use of this technique, apparently they had been composing all of their radio shows for years this way, ahead of time. -Våt ____________________ Reckankreuzungsklankewerkzeuge PO BOX 382864. Cambridge, MA 02238 http://www.tiac.net/users/sheket/index.html
1999-06-09 23:52cristianalot of times when a dj does a set for a mix cd...there are slight errors here and there..
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alot of times when a dj does a set for a mix cd...there are slight errors here and there...the set is always dumped into a program such as pro-tools and adjustments are made...mistakes corrected and the such..perhaps thats what they mean. i know a few people who have done mixes for cds and this is how they went about it. it just makes for ultra perfection. cya c.pant/ On Wed, 9 Jun 1999, Hrvatski wrote:
quoted 2 lines heard Andrea Parker also used similar software to make her DJ Kicks...does> >heard Andrea Parker also used similar software to make her DJ Kicks...does > >anyone know what this software is and if there are shareware versions?
1999-06-10 14:24ChairCrusherHOW TO MAKE AN ANTISEPTICALLY PERFECT MIX CD: 1. Record all tracks to hard disk -- protool
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HOW TO MAKE AN ANTISEPTICALLY PERFECT MIX CD: 1. Record all tracks to hard disk -- protools, or PC, doesn't matter. 2. Pick a tempo. 3. For each track, figure out the track tempo, and then pitch shift it to the target tempo. 4. lay tracks out in a multitrack editor, and slide them so the downbeats line up where they overlap. Crossfade to taste. There are plenty of examples of this kind of action out there, and this in fact is done for some of the B96(Chicago) mix shows. As you can imagine, this approach does tend to remove all personality from the mix. For one thing, the only skills involved are being able to spot a downbeat in a digital audio file, and being able to do a little simple math. I've done something similar with my own tracks on my "Phase Change" CD, but I feel like that's just my way to come up with a continuous sequence that flows between tracks, and you expect a studio CD to be tweaked within an inch of its life. What's more common I think is to simply roll a DAT and mix live. If you trainwreck a mix, just back up the outgoing track to before the mix, and redo the mix. Then when it's dumped to hard disk, you can cut out the fuckup. I've done this too, because while I'm a big fan of my taste in music, I'm not the worlds greatest DJ. By the way, if you've not checked my mix http://avalon.net/~kent/maymix/ give it a listen -- anyone who can spot the two digital edits will win a copy of my Phase Change CD. kent williams -- kent@avalon.net
1999-06-10 00:39Brock Sutercristian wrote: > alot of times when a dj does a set for a mix cd...there are slight error
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cristian wrote:
quoted 5 lines alot of times when a dj does a set for a mix cd...there are slight errors> alot of times when a dj does a set for a mix cd...there are slight errors > here and there...the set is always dumped into a program such as pro-tools > and adjustments are made...mistakes corrected and the such..perhaps thats > what they mean. i know a few people who have done mixes for cds and this > is how they went about it. it just makes for ultra perfection.
This isn't exactly true. If a mix is off, you can't do much with it in any program short of cutting pieces out, fading bits together and adjusting the levels/dynamics of the final mix. You can't exactly fix a klanger after it's been klanged together... The way most 'pro-tool' mixes are done are: record the tracks into the computer, match the tempos and then mix the tracks in a multitrack audio program like protools/logic/cubase/acid/samplitude/etc. It is also possible to pre-match the songs before recording them, thereby circumventing the second step. Of course there are other ways to do it, but IMHO, this is the most flexible way, giving you maximum control over mix placement and length, tempo adjustment, levels, effects and so on. brock.
1999-06-10 01:26Hrvatski>alot of times when a dj does a set for a mix cd...there are slight errors >here and there
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quoted 5 lines alot of times when a dj does a set for a mix cd...there are slight errors>alot of times when a dj does a set for a mix cd...there are slight errors >here and there...the set is always dumped into a program such as pro-tools >and adjustments are made...mistakes corrected and the such..perhaps thats >what they mean. i know a few people who have done mixes for cds and this >is how they went about it. it just makes for ultra perfection.
No, I'm pretty sure they asseble the entire thing in Pro Tools, using it for pitch/speed correction & whatnot. There are points throughout various DJ Kicks volumes where there are upwards of 3 tracks audible, kind of the litmus test for non-turntable construction (unless you're Mills/Growth). I don't want to slag this approach, I often enjoy this sort of mix more than a live one. All of the particularly tough tracks and combinations to mix together (or very short tracks, tracks that would otherwise fall between +8 @ 33rpm/-8 @ 45rpm, etc...) would be explored in the studio setting. I mean, with Pro Tools (depending on how much time you're willing to spend working on yr mix) you could ostensibly mix any track w/any other. It's kind of ideal... -Våt ____________________ Reckankreuzungsklankewerkzeuge PO BOX 382864. Cambridge, MA 02238 http://www.tiac.net/users/sheket/index.html
1999-06-10 02:26Tom MillarWell, I was reading about Pro Tools DJ mixes and realized I can't come up with the hate fo
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Well, I was reading about Pro Tools DJ mixes and realized I can't come up with the hate for a "DJ" who uses DSP to mix tracks. So I can't really argue against someone using samples or samplers either, because this is more or less the same thing. In fact, the more I thought about it, the more I think I'd really enjoy it if I heard a sample from something of mine stuck in someone else's track. My dislike of samplers stems more or less from the innate fear I have that if I go and buy one for myself my music will immediately descend into conceptual in-joke hell and wank crap. Now I've used my computer for such much remanipulation and noisemaking I'm thinking about getting a sampler anyway, mostly for utility purposes, but what's the difference? What people have said is generally true; the tool/design matters little compared to the idea or feeling of the output. So fuck it; I'm never going to evangelize the sampler (a la Matthew Herbert) but there's no reason not to like it. Hell, I love Amon Tobin! Tom Disclaimer: none of this makes the chembros any more palatable.
1999-06-10 03:44clockwise>No, I'm pretty sure they asseble the entire thing in Pro Tools, using it >for pitch/speed
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quoted 4 lines No, I'm pretty sure they asseble the entire thing in Pro Tools, using it>No, I'm pretty sure they asseble the entire thing in Pro Tools, using it >for pitch/speed correction & whatnot. There are points throughout various >DJ Kicks volumes where there are upwards of 3 tracks audible, kind of the >litmus test for non-turntable construction (unless you're Mills/Growth).
I know what you're saying, but if you've ever heard the Future Primitive sessions, they were done on 5 turntables live (I wasn't in the audience, so I can't vouch for the authenticity of the recordings, but you get my meaning) peace, clockwise np: bill laswell 'invisible design'
1999-06-10 04:11vrnAt 10:44 PM 6/9/99 -0500, clockwise wrote: >>No, I'm pretty sure they asseble the entire t
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At 10:44 PM 6/9/99 -0500, clockwise wrote:
quoted 8 lines No, I'm pretty sure they asseble the entire thing in Pro Tools, using it>>No, I'm pretty sure they asseble the entire thing in Pro Tools, using it >>for pitch/speed correction & whatnot. There are points throughout various >>DJ Kicks volumes where there are upwards of 3 tracks audible, kind of the >>litmus test for non-turntable construction (unless you're Mills/Growth). > >I know what you're saying, but if you've ever heard the Future Primitive >sessions, they were done on 5 turntables live (I wasn't in the audience, so >I can't vouch for the authenticity of the recordings, but you get my meaning)
yeah, but i think it's safe to say that Cut Chemist and Shortkut have just a little bit more turntable prowess than Andrea Parker. The DJ Kickers are people who don't usually use a multi-deck setup (Chemist almost always rocks on three, as i understand). Considering this the pro-tools situation seems the most realistic. np: Thirstin Howl III & Master Fu'ol: froggstyle meets drunkfist mlt