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quoted 5 lines Plug - Me & Mr. Sutton

> >Plug - Me & Mr. Sutton > Manic jungle/drum&bass from Luke Vibert. > Nothing all that impressive to me but i'm not > much of a d&b fan so i'm probably not the > best one to comment on this release.

This also features a remix by Graham Sutton AKA Boymerang, which is by no means the best thing he's done. Pretty much anything with his name on it is worth picking up though, except for the album 'Balance of the Force' which was a serious let-down. But his early 12"s on Leaf (the Boymerang & Pro-Activ EPs) are essential, as are his remixes of Ed Rush's 'Technology' and MLO's 'New Generation'. If anyone has any info on a remix he did of a track called (I think) 'Board Games', can you let me know - I have the 12" but it includes no label or artist information. It seems to be some sort of hip hop thing, the 12" also includes a mix by the Ballistic Brothers (crap). Came out around late '96/early '97 I think. The Boymerang mix is class darkstep with a droning Reese b-line and timestretched female vocals. Gareth -- Gareth Metford (Nonlinear) Nonlinear website: http://www.qubit.demon.co.uk/nonlinear Listen to the new Nonlinear single, 'Angles' / 'Against the Funk' at: http://www.mp3.com/nonlinear (MP3) http://www.qubit.demon.co.uk/nonlinear/downloads.html (RealAudio)

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quoted 3 lines Pretty much anything with his name on it is worth

>Pretty much anything with his name on it is worth >picking up though, except for the album 'Balance of the Force' which was a >serious let-down.

Thanks for warning me away from his album, i've been considering it ever since i heard his great remix of the Goldie/KRS-One song "Digital", which you failed to mention. (Whenever i hear the name, i think he should be a 5-piece male vocal group, like boyzone etc) I did pick up the Grooverider "Mysteries of Funk" album based on his great remix of Goldie's "Temper Temper" and i was rather disappointed with it (the album). Can't really remember why as i gave it only like 3-4 listenings. I'm personally stil waiting for an album that i would call a "good album" that happens to be jungle/drum and bass rather than albums that are "good for jungle/dnb". Have heard that the Ed Rush/Optical album kicks though, and i think an actual album by Photek (instead of compilations by him) would probably a "good album". _________________________________ Adam Roesch / roesch@augsburg.edu Augsburg College / Minneapolis / MN / USA Visit my Fila Brazillia/Pork Recordings fan site: http://dogbert.augsburg.edu/~roesch/pork/ "The only disease we need in our blood is love" TRICKY

Just to throw my 2 bits in I love the Boymerang full length. It gets better and better with each listen, and I wasn't too excited when I bought it 2 years ago. Now I think it's rock solid. Graham's got some tight productions skills. It blows the Grooverider record away IMHO. I don't know, perhaps as I get more into making music and learn 'tricks' or whatever with the sampler I recognize when someone's got their shit together and graham does. It's also good because it's much more of a headphone disk, not really a dancefloor disc. It's certainly no drillnbass record, and might bore some, but if you're into Photek, 4Hero, Archon 2, or Klute, it's worth picking up, at least used. The last track Lazarus is killer... peace Nate PS I agree his New Generation remix is also ace. But not really any better than Balance... On Thu, 6 May 1999, Moonlight wrote:

quoted 31 lines (Graham Sutton/Boymerang)

> (Graham Sutton/Boymerang) > >Pretty much anything with his name on it is worth > >picking up though, except for the album 'Balance of the Force' which was a > >serious let-down. > > Thanks for warning me away from his album, i've been considering it ever > since i heard his great remix of the Goldie/KRS-One song "Digital", which > you failed to mention. (Whenever i hear the name, i think he should be a > 5-piece male vocal group, like boyzone etc) > > I did pick up the Grooverider "Mysteries of Funk" album based on his great > remix of Goldie's "Temper Temper" and i was rather disappointed with it > (the album). Can't really remember why as i gave it only like 3-4 listenings. > > I'm personally stil waiting for an album that i would call a "good album" > that happens to be jungle/drum and bass rather than albums that are "good > for jungle/dnb". Have heard that the Ed Rush/Optical album kicks though, > and i think an actual album by Photek (instead of compilations by him) > would probably a "good album". > > _________________________________ > Adam Roesch / roesch@augsburg.edu > Augsburg College / Minneapolis / MN / USA > > Visit my Fila Brazillia/Pork Recordings fan site: > http://dogbert.augsburg.edu/~roesch/pork/ > > "The only disease we need in our blood is love" TRICKY > > >

quoted 3 lines (Graham Sutton/Boymerang)

>(Graham Sutton/Boymerang) >>Pretty much anything with his name on it is worth >>picking up though

I haven't seen anyone mention Bark Psychosis, a serious oversight IMO. I've been caning Hex for the past month or so. It's nothing like the Boymerang stuff at all - it's the record that prompted Simon Reynolds to coin the term "post-rock." Brilliant stuff, highly recomended particularly to fans of late Talk Talk.

quoted 3 lines I'm personally stil waiting for an album that i would call a "good album"

>I'm personally stil waiting for an album that i would call a "good album" >that happens to be jungle/drum and bass rather than albums that are "good >for jungle/dnb".

The original version of Black Secret Technology, Jacob's Optical Stairway, and The Self Evident Truth of an Intuitive Mind all come to mind.

quoted 2 lines and i think an actual album by Photek (instead of compilations by him)

>and i think an actual album by Photek (instead of compilations by him) >would probably a "good album".

Yes, Modus Operandi is a "good album." C. -- Chris.Hilker (cspot@hyperreal.org)

quoted 5 lines picking up though, except for the album 'Balance of the Force' which was a

>>picking up though, except for the album 'Balance of the Force' which was a >>serious let-down. > >Thanks for warning me away from his album, i've been considering it ever >since i heard his great remix of the Goldie/KRS-One song "Digital",

Well, sorry to send you mixed signals, but I think Boymerang's album is excellent. One of the very few drum&bass albums I can listen to without stopping half way and thinking, "hmm, thats enough jungle for now." CheerioAndrewC.

quoted 3 lines Well, sorry to send you mixed signals, but I think Boymerang's album is

> Well, sorry to send you mixed signals, but I think Boymerang's album is > excellent. One of the very few drum&bass albums I can listen to without > stopping half way and thinking, "hmm, thats enough jungle for now."

can anybody think of some others? i can't really sit through a full length d&b record these days...the source direct one is close, but i have to leave that on in the background when i'm overcaffeinated and crank it up when it gets to the more aggressive tracks. why do i think a jungle album leavened with tr/hip hop tracks or weird electro sections would be far more palatable than pure d&b for an hour? why wouldn't dj spooky make a whole disc like that track on asphodelic? why do junglists tend to be such genre purists, much to the full-album-listener's chagrin? on now: ICE, bad blood. yeah, sure, jungle's dark. whatever! this is damned well pitch black. yowza! i normally avoid stuff this self consciously ugly these days, but dang is this good. maybe that's just my allergies talking. -rob!

quoted 10 lines can anybody think of some others? i can't really sit through a full

> can anybody think of some others? i can't really sit through a full > length d&b record these days...the source direct one is close, but i have > to leave that on in the background when i'm overcaffeinated and crank it > up when it gets to the more aggressive tracks. > > why do i think a jungle album leavened with tr/hip hop tracks or weird > electro sections would be far more palatable than pure d&b for an hour? > why wouldn't dj spooky make a whole disc like that track on asphodelic? > why do junglists tend to be such genre purists, much to the > full-album-listener's chagrin?

Last two Omni Trio albums... one threw in a beautiful triphop track. The latest is just great overall - listenable, sounds like real drums being sampled instead of programmed.

sorry to jump back a bit but I thought i'd chuck in a few recommendeds too:: One of the best compilations I've heard in a while is the Widescreen Versions on Cert 18 Jake Mandell's Parallel Process is good as well. sge np - GC Pentamerous Metamorphosis, now this is good!! -----Original Message----- From: John Bush <johbus@allmusic.com> To: Moonlight <roesch@augsburg.edu>; idm@hyperreal.org <idm@hyperreal.org> Date: 07 May 1999 17:39 Subject: RE: (idm) recommendations wanted/Graham Sutton

quoted 25 lines The original version of Black Secret Technology

>> >The original version of Black Secret Technology >> >> The original version? There's a repress? What's the difference? > >Original: 1995, Repress: 1997 (different cover, remastered [?], and added >mixes) > > >> >Jacob's Optical Stairway >> >> Who's this by? (I apologize for my ignorance) > >The 4 Hero boys, Dego and Mark Mac. It's a better brand of fusion than 4 >Hero's latest, and has a track with Josh Wink and another with Juan Atkins. >By the way, I've heard that the Parallel Universe is available again but >haven't seen it anywhere. Anyone? > > >> I consider MO to be a compilation rather than an album, a lot of >> >> i know there's a >> great album within his capability. > >Form & Function was supposed to be the great Photek CD, but they had to >louse it up with remixes and new tracks. They're not that bad (Doc Scott,

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quoted 10 lines Majik, etc.), but the A- and B-sides of the first six Photek label singles

>Majik, etc.), but the A- and B-sides of the first six Photek label singles >would've fit perfectly on a 75-minute CD and they couldn't have done any >better. Oh well... > >.John. > > >How about comments on the new Tech Itch? > >

On Sat, 08 May 1999 14:45:34 -0500, Moonlight <roesch@augsburg.edu> said:

quoted 4 lines Jake Mandell's Parallel Process is good as well.

>>Jake Mandell's Parallel Process is good as well. > >Is this the guy from minneapolis? What's he sound like? >

jake is from madison wisconsin , if i'm not mistaken. his sound is very geometric and angular, abstract but funky techno with electro beat foundations. very creative and original stuff, but at the same time, very easy to groove and shake your bum to. parallel processes is in my top5 for 99 so far. peeeeeeeece, -- Jeff Davis pHlow@earthlink.net fn:216.533.6303 fx:216.266.2310 text:2165336303@mobile.att.net pHlow.linx: home.earthlink.net/~phlow/ Bochum Welt: www.bochumwelt.com Rotator Locator: hyperreal.org/music/rotator/

I like the new Aquasky. jeff Moonlight wrote:

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> (Graham Sutton/Boymerang) > >Pretty much anything with his name on it is worth > >picking up though, except for the album 'Balance of the Force' which was a > >serious let-down. > > Thanks for warning me away from his album, i've been considering it ever > since i heard his great remix of the Goldie/KRS-One song "Digital", which > you failed to mention. (Whenever i hear the name, i think he should be a > 5-piece male vocal group, like boyzone etc) > > I did pick up the Grooverider "Mysteries of Funk" album based on his great > remix of Goldie's "Temper Temper" and i was rather disappointed with it > (the album). Can't really remember why as i gave it only like 3-4 listenings. > > I'm personally stil waiting for an album that i would call a "good album" > that happens to be jungle/drum and bass rather than albums that are "good > for jungle/dnb". Have heard that the Ed Rush/Optical album kicks though, > and i think an actual album by Photek (instead of compilations by him) > would probably a "good album". > > _________________________________ > Adam Roesch / roesch@augsburg.edu > Augsburg College / Minneapolis / MN / USA > > Visit my Fila Brazillia/Pork Recordings fan site: > http://dogbert.augsburg.edu/~roesch/pork/ > > "The only disease we need in our blood is love" TRICKY

-- jeff "10,000 people all screaming the same thing at the same time are wrong, even if they're right." dancing/about/architecture "...with wandering steps and slow..." ICQ904008

quoted 9 lines Well, sorry to send you mixed signals, but I think Boymerang's album is

>> Well, sorry to send you mixed signals, but I think Boymerang's album is >> excellent. One of the very few drum&bass albums I can listen to without >> stopping half way and thinking, "hmm, thats enough jungle for now." > > >can anybody think of some others? i can't really sit through a full >length d&b record these days...the source direct one is close, but i have >to leave that on in the background when i'm overcaffeinated and crank it >up when it gets to the more aggressive tracks.

The only other one that comes to mind right now is Hot Rod by Friend (DOT LP03). But it's hardly typical d&b. Extremely melodic, extremely inventive, and extremely good. CheerioAndrewC.

quoted 1 line If anyone has any info on a remix he did of a track called (I think)

> If anyone has any info on a remix he did of a track called (I think)

'Board Games', can you >let me know - I have the 12" but it includes no label or artist information. It seems to be >some sort of hip hop thing, the 12" the original track's by Collapsed Lung. i think the band includes one of the guys from That Petrol Emotion. Board Game Deceptive Records, 1996. BLUFF 034 1. board game (mack daddy single remix) 2. board game (ballistic brothers cut the games mix) 3. ballad night (boymerang mix) 4. board game (avenue a. dub mix) the vocalist on "ballad night" is MBV's Bilinda Butcher. funny that. some other great Boymerang remixes. 2Player - "Extreme Possibilities" Sufi - "The River" (this one's on Balance of the Force as "River") .O.rang - "P.53" (one of Sutton's best) Sugarize - "Lost Inna Dream" (these Dorado guys used to be called Outside) Wagon Christ - "Pull My Strings" and the "Boymerang vs. Voafose" track on Lo Recordings: Collaborations how's his Manadlay remix? mr. e. now on: pierre henry: apocalypse de jean (mantra) now thinkin': monsieur henry must like ducks. a lot.

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> (Graham Sutton/Boymerang) > >Pretty much anything with his name on it is worth > >picking up though, except for the album 'Balance of the Force' which was a > >serious let-down. > > Thanks for warning me away from his album, i've been considering it ever > since i heard his great remix of the Goldie/KRS-One song "Digital", which > you failed to mention.

I think the albums actually pretty good - one of the few d&b albums that actually holds your attention all the way through

quoted 5 lines I'm personally stil waiting for an album that i would call a "good album"

> I'm personally stil waiting for an album that i would call a "good album" > that happens to be jungle/drum and bass rather than albums that are "good > for jungle/dnb". Have heard that the Ed Rush/Optical album kicks though, > and i think an actual album by Photek (instead of compilations by him) > would probably a "good album".

He has released an album - modus operandi. Probably one of my favourite albums, though it does take a few listens. Even though it's over a year old now I still went through a period of listening to it every day or so for weeks recently. As far as other d&b albums go, I've said it before and I'll say it again - the Klute album's really good. Lots of people seem to like the Aquasky one as well, though I haven't heard it. Also, there's a new Spring Heel Jack lp coming out in a couple of weeks. Anyone heard this yet? Dan Shoebridge

quoted 2 lines Also, there's a new Spring Heel Jack lp coming out in a couple of

> Also, there's a new Spring Heel Jack lp coming out in a couple of > weeks. Anyone heard this yet?

Heard one of the tracks off it... great stuff, even weirder than _Busy Curious Thirsty_.

quoted 2 lines a "good album" that happens to be jungle/drum and bass

>>a "good album" that happens to be jungle/drum and bass >The original version of Black Secret Technology

The original version? There's a repress? What's the difference? And I've been looking for it since i heard the AGCG remixes of Tricky's "Piano" and D*Note's "Criminal Justice." So far, I'll i've heard of his jungle stuff are a few tracks and remixes that are too few and far between. I recently got AGCG's "Peel Sessions" Cass Single. This is pretty cool, i like it a bit better than Automanikk. Is this (the Peel Sessions) a lot what Newbuild sounds like? Cos i definitely hear a precursor to Aphex Twin in there.

quoted 1 line Jacob's Optical Stairway

>Jacob's Optical Stairway

Who's this by? (I apologize for my ignorance)

quoted 3 lines and i think an actual album by Photek (instead of compilations by him)

>>and i think an actual album by Photek (instead of compilations by him) >>would probably a "good album". >Yes, Modus Operandi is a "good album."

I consider MO to be a compilation rather than an album, a lot of old tracks and a bunch of new ones, right? Much like tricky's "Maxinquaye." Not quite an album and not quite a copm of old tracks. IMHO, MO is good but not a "good album" Probably too much reliance on the same samples (which remind me of a messed up shower spout being turned on). The jazz track JKZ is realy cool though. More variety like that and he'd have been there. I'm looking forward to any "real album" that he puts out, not collected singles. Photek is one of my favorite dnb producers, i know there's a great album within his capability. _________________________________ Adam Roesch / roesch@augsburg.edu Augsburg College / Minneapolis / MN / USA Visit my Fila Brazillia/Pork Recordings fan site: http://dogbert.augsburg.edu/~roesch/pork/ "The only disease we need in our blood is love" TRICKY

quoted 3 lines The original version of Black Secret Technology

> >The original version of Black Secret Technology > > The original version? There's a repress? What's the difference?

Original: 1995, Repress: 1997 (different cover, remastered [?], and added mixes)

quoted 3 lines Jacob's Optical Stairway

> >Jacob's Optical Stairway > > Who's this by? (I apologize for my ignorance)

The 4 Hero boys, Dego and Mark Mac. It's a better brand of fusion than 4 Hero's latest, and has a track with Josh Wink and another with Juan Atkins. By the way, I've heard that the Parallel Universe is available again but haven't seen it anywhere. Anyone?

quoted 4 lines I consider MO to be a compilation rather than an album, a lot of

> I consider MO to be a compilation rather than an album, a lot of > > i know there's a > great album within his capability.

Form & Function was supposed to be the great Photek CD, but they had to louse it up with remixes and new tracks. They're not that bad (Doc Scott, J Majik, etc.), but the A- and B-sides of the first six Photek label singles would've fit perfectly on a 75-minute CD and they couldn't have done any better. Oh well... .John. How about comments on the new Tech Itch?

quoted 2 lines By the way, I've heard that the Parallel Universe is available again but

>By the way, I've heard that the Parallel Universe is available again but >haven't seen it anywhere. Anyone?

Yeah, it's distributed/licensed by Selector/Crammed. I have it but i got it through the Musicblvd scam* thing and haven't got around to listening to it properly (i mean, i'm still trying to get a full listen to the new roots record). *I don't know if this came by this list, but basically, i stole many many CDs from musicboulevard through internet fraud. And i would do it again. _________________________________ Adam Roesch / roesch@augsburg.edu Augsburg College / Minneapolis / MN / USA Visit my Fila Brazillia/Pork Recordings fan site: http://dogbert.augsburg.edu/~roesch/pork/ "The only disease we need in our blood is love" TRICKY

On Thu, 6 May 1999 21:38:41 -0400 (EDT) sun rob and his arkestra <robert.geary@yale.edu> writes:

quoted 6 lines can anybody think of some others? i can't really sit through a full

>can anybody think of some others? i can't really sit through a full >length d&b record these days...the source direct one is close, but i >have >to leave that on in the background when i'm overcaffeinated and crank >it >up when it gets to the more aggressive tracks.

Two albums that are worth giving a listen to: Flytronix _Archives_ (Moving Shadow) - Upbeat, not dark or paranoiac. Lots of warm sounds to just bob and weave along to in your chair. I almost hate to say it 'cos I like this album so much, but it strikes me as perfect coffee table music. Like Alex Reece but more hectic and full ... "The Rhode Tune" sounds almost placid but still buzzes like a hive. Just ignore the vocal tracks. Future Loop Foundation _Time and Bass_ (Planet Dog) - Yeah, it's about 3 years old now but aging very well. Crafted with lots of hooks and melodies, it should be considered a classic (unusual after Planet Dog's less-than-stellar release history). Chockful of memorable tunes like "Discovery" and "I Want to Believe". The new album is okay, but too much straight up dnb with few shifts and not enough development in the tracks, but than again, some people like their music like that. And as far as Boymerang, _Balance_ is definitely worth getting. He seems one of the few junglists who can balance hard and smooth in the same track. At first couple listens not much seems to happen, but if you stick with it it opens itself up to you. His first singles on Leaf are worth tracking down, or picking up _Classic Plant_ or Derailed's Leaf sampler (in the US) to get the A sides. My first introduction to him came through his track "Blue Notes" on Breakbeat Science ... anybody know where I can get this on vinyl? Hope this helps. J np: Horace Silver Quintet _The Tokyo Blues_ ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

On 07 May 1999 17:39, John Bush [SMTP:johbus@allmusic.com] wrote:

quoted 7 lines The original version of Black Secret Technology

> > >The original version of Black Secret Technology > > > > The original version? There's a repress? What's the difference? > > Original: 1995, Repress: 1997 (different cover, remastered [?], and added > mixes) >

Wasn't there a remix of 'Voodoo Ray' on the original which was taken off for the re-release because Gerald thought it was cursed or something? Gareth -- Gareth Metford (Nonlinear) Nonlinear website: http://www.qubit.demon.co.uk/nonlinear Listen to the new Nonlinear single, 'Angles' / 'Against the Funk' at: http://www.mp3.com/nonlinear (MP3) http://www.qubit.demon.co.uk/nonlinear/downloads.html (RealAudio)

At 11:14 PM 5/7/99 +0100, you wrote:

quoted 12 lines On 07 May 1999 17:39, John Bush [SMTP:johbus@allmusic.com] wrote:

>On 07 May 1999 17:39, John Bush [SMTP:johbus@allmusic.com] wrote: >> > >The original version of Black Secret Technology >> > >> > The original version? There's a repress? What's the difference? >> >> Original: 1995, Repress: 1997 (different cover, remastered [?], and added >> mixes) >> > >Wasn't there a remix of 'Voodoo Ray' on the original which was taken off for >the re-release because Gerald thought it was cursed or something? >

Yes. It was called The Curse of Voodoo Ray by Lisa May who was the singer on the track. The ep came out on the Juice Box back in 96-97 and featured remixes by Alex Reece, Francois Kevorkian, Machiavellian, Justin Robertson, and a few more i cant remember at the moment. I enjoyed it - especially the Robertson remix - but overall it was nothing special. An item for Guy Called Gerald completeists. -->-Lance--- mclance@nacs.net lance@inaudible.com p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states