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1999-02-05 18:41terraHertz (idm) Re: music/math
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1999-02-05 18:41terraHertzOn 4 Feb 1999, little miss trinitron wrote: > Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 22:02:46 GMT > From:
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On 4 Feb 1999, little miss trinitron wrote:
quoted 11 lines Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 22:02:46 GMT> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 22:02:46 GMT > From: artist@sub-con-geo.demon.co.uk (little miss trinitron) > Subject: Re: (idm) Bola: "Soup" > > autechre last night weren't very good - clippity-clop beats, one note > bass, and plugin-patching unextraodinaire - mostly transparent and > insubstantial - about enough good material in their (very long) set > for a 2 minute track.. toolshed murdered them in my humble opinion.. > and hang that blessed dj! > > motto for today - music is not mathematics!
Music IS mathematics to me, I think music is a billion trillion equations with just a smattering of random number generators feeding values to the equations, which would be things like the weather, or your mood, or relative degree of intoxication -- whatever influences your songwriting process. i'm not saying autechre couldn't have been boring. most likely they just needed more equations. face it, if you use any kind of sequencer, your music CAN be transcribed into an equation. Nick the future: www.noisemusic.org/it -- sounds like: www.gl.umbc.edu/~nworth1 the shaman McKenna breaks shiat down: www.levity.com/eschaton/novelty.html
1999-02-05 19:03Nate Harrison \[Toshok Laboratories\]Music is not math. Music just 'is'. Math is an observation. Nate On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, terra
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Music is not math. Music just 'is'. Math is an observation. Nate On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, terraHertz wrote:
quoted 35 lines On 4 Feb 1999, little miss trinitron wrote:> On 4 Feb 1999, little miss trinitron wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 22:02:46 GMT > > From: artist@sub-con-geo.demon.co.uk (little miss trinitron) > > Subject: Re: (idm) Bola: "Soup" > > > > autechre last night weren't very good - clippity-clop beats, one note > > bass, and plugin-patching unextraodinaire - mostly transparent and > > insubstantial - about enough good material in their (very long) set > > for a 2 minute track.. toolshed murdered them in my humble opinion.. > > and hang that blessed dj! > > > > motto for today - music is not mathematics! > > Music IS mathematics to me, I think music is a billion trillion equations > with just a smattering of random number generators feeding values to the > equations, which would be things like the weather, or your mood, or > relative degree of intoxication -- whatever influences your songwriting > process. > > i'm not saying autechre couldn't have been boring. most likely they just > needed more equations. > > face it, if you use any kind of sequencer, your music CAN be transcribed > into an equation. > > > Nick > > > > the future: www.noisemusic.org/it -- sounds like: www.gl.umbc.edu/~nworth1 > the shaman McKenna breaks shiat down: www.levity.com/eschaton/novelty.html > >
1999-02-05 19:04terraHertzOn Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Nate Harrison [Toshok Laboratories] wrote: > > Music is not math. Musi
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On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Nate Harrison [Toshok Laboratories] wrote:
quoted 5 lines Music is not math. Music just 'is'. Math is an observation.> > Music is not math. Music just 'is'. Math is an observation. > > Nate >
guess you didn't see the "TO ME" after the "music is math" i wrote. you believe music just is, and obviously we'd have a dull list if no one disagreed. but i've heard report afer report of child music prodigies that can also do grad school-level calculus. figure that out, Toshok Laboratories Man. Nick
quoted 39 lines On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, terraHertz wrote:> > On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, terraHertz wrote: > > > On 4 Feb 1999, little miss trinitron wrote: > > > > > Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 22:02:46 GMT > > > From: artist@sub-con-geo.demon.co.uk (little miss trinitron) > > > Subject: Re: (idm) Bola: "Soup" > > > > > > autechre last night weren't very good - clippity-clop beats, one note > > > bass, and plugin-patching unextraodinaire - mostly transparent and > > > insubstantial - about enough good material in their (very long) set > > > for a 2 minute track.. toolshed murdered them in my humble opinion.. > > > and hang that blessed dj! > > > > > > motto for today - music is not mathematics! > > > > Music IS mathematics to me, I think music is a billion trillion equations > > with just a smattering of random number generators feeding values to the > > equations, which would be things like the weather, or your mood, or > > relative degree of intoxication -- whatever influences your songwriting > > process. > > > > i'm not saying autechre couldn't have been boring. most likely they just > > needed more equations. > > > > face it, if you use any kind of sequencer, your music CAN be transcribed > > into an equation. > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > the future: www.noisemusic.org/it -- sounds like: www.gl.umbc.edu/~nworth1 > > the shaman McKenna breaks shiat down: www.levity.com/eschaton/novelty.html > > > > >
the future: www.noisemusic.org/it -- sounds like: www.gl.umbc.edu/~nworth1 the shaman McKenna breaks shiat down: www.levity.com/eschaton/novelty.html
1999-02-05 19:27Nate Harrison \[Toshok Laboratories\]Hey terra don't be a jerk just trying to add another side you can read all the reports you
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Hey terra don't be a jerk just trying to add another side you can read all the reports you want meanwhile I'm listening to beautiful music made by people thousands of years ago who had no concept of calculus...er wait I'm listening to Black Dog:) peace Nate On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, terraHertz wrote:
quoted 59 lines On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Nate Harrison [Toshok Laboratories] wrote:> On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Nate Harrison [Toshok Laboratories] wrote: > > > > > Music is not math. Music just 'is'. Math is an observation. > > > > Nate > > > guess you didn't see the "TO ME" after the "music is math" i wrote. you > believe music just is, and obviously we'd have a dull list if no one > disagreed. but i've heard report afer report of child music prodigies > that can also do grad school-level calculus. figure that out, Toshok > Laboratories Man. > > Nick > > > > > On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, terraHertz wrote: > > > > > On 4 Feb 1999, little miss trinitron wrote: > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 22:02:46 GMT > > > > From: artist@sub-con-geo.demon.co.uk (little miss trinitron) > > > > Subject: Re: (idm) Bola: "Soup" > > > > > > > > autechre last night weren't very good - clippity-clop beats, one note > > > > bass, and plugin-patching unextraodinaire - mostly transparent and > > > > insubstantial - about enough good material in their (very long) set > > > > for a 2 minute track.. toolshed murdered them in my humble opinion.. > > > > and hang that blessed dj! > > > > > > > > motto for today - music is not mathematics! > > > > > > Music IS mathematics to me, I think music is a billion trillion equations > > > with just a smattering of random number generators feeding values to the > > > equations, which would be things like the weather, or your mood, or > > > relative degree of intoxication -- whatever influences your songwriting > > > process. > > > > > > i'm not saying autechre couldn't have been boring. most likely they just > > > needed more equations. > > > > > > face it, if you use any kind of sequencer, your music CAN be transcribed > > > into an equation. > > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > > the future: www.noisemusic.org/it -- sounds like: www.gl.umbc.edu/~nworth1 > > > the shaman McKenna breaks shiat down: www.levity.com/eschaton/novelty.html > > > > > > > > > > the future: www.noisemusic.org/it -- sounds like: www.gl.umbc.edu/~nworth1 > the shaman McKenna breaks shiat down: www.levity.com/eschaton/novelty.html > >
1999-02-05 19:22terraHertzOn Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Nate Harrison [Toshok Laboratories] wrote: > Hey terra > > don't be a
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On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Nate Harrison [Toshok Laboratories] wrote:
quoted 15 lines Hey terra> Hey terra > > don't be a jerk > > just trying to add another side > > you can read all the reports you want > > meanwhile I'm listening to beautiful music made by people thousands of > years ago who had no concept of calculus...er wait I'm listening to Black > Dog:) > > peace > > Nate
The kind of blanket statements such as the ones below seem like quite the chip on the shoulder to me, comrade. i thought you wanted a nice lil dogfight... oh well. in that case, PEACE BE WI' YE. AND ALL YERS TOOOO!!
quoted 6 lines On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Nate Harrison [Toshok Laboratories] wrote:> > On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Nate Harrison [Toshok Laboratories] wrote: > > > > > > > > Music is not math. Music just 'is'. Math is an observation. > > > > > > Nate
p.s. i care about bandwidth so i deleted the long ass quote. nyah. :) the future: www.noisemusic.org/it -- sounds like: www.gl.umbc.edu/~nworth1 the shaman McKenna breaks shiat down: www.levity.com/eschaton/novelty.html
1999-02-05 19:45Nate Harrison \[Toshok Laboratories\]Actually was quoting a friend of mine...who is a math major. I think music is math, or at
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Actually was quoting a friend of mine...who is a math major. I think music is math, or at least I don't have a problem with the idea:) iz all good. peace Nate (occasional pusher of buttons, literal and metaphorical) On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, terraHertz wrote:
quoted 35 lines On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Nate Harrison [Toshok Laboratories] wrote:> On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Nate Harrison [Toshok Laboratories] wrote: > > > Hey terra > > > > don't be a jerk > > > > just trying to add another side > > > > you can read all the reports you want > > > > meanwhile I'm listening to beautiful music made by people thousands of > > years ago who had no concept of calculus...er wait I'm listening to Black > > Dog:) > > > > peace > > > > Nate > > The kind of blanket statements such as the ones below seem like quite the > chip on the shoulder to me, comrade. i thought you wanted a nice lil > dogfight... oh well. in that case, PEACE BE WI' YE. AND ALL YERS TOOOO!! > > > > On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Nate Harrison [Toshok Laboratories] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Music is not math. Music just 'is'. Math is an observation. > > > > > > > > Nate > > p.s. i care about bandwidth so i deleted the long ass quote. nyah. :) > > the future: www.noisemusic.org/it -- sounds like: www.gl.umbc.edu/~nworth1 > the shaman McKenna breaks shiat down: www.levity.com/eschaton/novelty.html > >
1999-02-05 19:37eric hill>just trying to add another side saying music "just is," is a plea for there to be no side
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quoted 1 line just trying to add another side>just trying to add another side
saying music "just is," is a plea for there to be no sides, that there's nothing to talk about. it's a bit simplistic to reduce the difference between music and math to three sentences and ten words, but i suppose the underlying statement is that music just is "not worth completing a sentence for." eric
quoted 3 lines Music is not math. Music just 'is'. Math is an observation.>> > Music is not math. Music just 'is'. Math is an observation. >> > >> > Nate
1999-02-05 19:32little miss trinitronOn Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:41:30 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >Music IS mathematics to me, I think m
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On Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:41:30 -0500 (EST), you wrote:
quoted 5 lines Music IS mathematics to me, I think music is a billion trillion equations>Music IS mathematics to me, I think music is a billion trillion equations >with just a smattering of random number generators feeding values to the >equations, which would be things like the weather, or your mood, or >relative degree of intoxication -- whatever influences your songwriting >process.
i wonder what coltrane would have to say about all this.
quoted 2 lines i'm not saying autechre couldn't have been boring. most likely they just>i'm not saying autechre couldn't have been boring. most likely they just >needed more equations.
what they need is to get out of their rut and produce something inspiring instead of mind-numbing. their ideal of sterility and precision is flawed and pretentious. bernard parmegiani really did do it better, and with much more imagination, 12-15 years ago. some day they'll break and realise that the convoluted path they've taken was mostly a waste of time.
quoted 2 lines face it, if you use any kind of sequencer, your music CAN be transcribed>face it, if you use any kind of sequencer, your music CAN be transcribed >into an equation.
maybe music can be broken down into a series of numbers. in that sense, music /is/ mathematics. but if that's all you get from music, then what's the point? motto for today - the medium isn't the message!
1999-02-05 19:58zimboOn Fri, 5 Feb 1999, little miss trinitron wrote: > On Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:41:30 -0500 (EST)
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On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, little miss trinitron wrote:
quoted 9 lines On Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:41:30 -0500 (EST), you wrote:> On Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:41:30 -0500 (EST), you wrote: > > >Music IS mathematics to me, I think music is a billion trillion equations > >with just a smattering of random number generators feeding values to the > >equations, which would be things like the weather, or your mood, or > >relative degree of intoxication -- whatever influences your songwriting > >process. > > i wonder what coltrane would have to say about all this.
why dont you tell us?
quoted 6 lines what they need is to get out of their rut and produce something> what they need is to get out of their rut and produce something > inspiring instead of mind-numbing. their ideal of sterility and > precision is flawed and pretentious. bernard parmegiani really did do > it better, and with much more imagination, 12-15 years ago. some day > they'll break and realise that the convoluted path they've taken was > mostly a waste of time.
some folks really like what they have been producing lately. i sure do. but then again, i tend to be more into the teeky, psycadelic, "experimental" side of things than the melodic side.. not to say i odnt like a solid pop song now and then. (assuming here that you are arguing that they have moved too far from the "musical"/traditional side of things -- if that makes sense). fuck, at least they havnt gone the silly drill and bass route of everyone else and are still producing original material (though a couple tracks came close :) btw: is b. parmegiani the percussionist who somehow produced super complex rhytms off his body or something? i seem to recall a friends talking about him. .crz__ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ music, four lunchpails: wednesdays 7-8pm kuci 88.9fm www.kuci.org "i saw some pants that made me go fuck" - jsn.
1999-02-05 20:36little miss trinitronOn Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:58:16 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >> i wonder what coltrane would have t
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On Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:58:16 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
quoted 1 line i wonder what coltrane would have to say about all this.>> i wonder what coltrane would have to say about all this.
quoted 1 line why dont you tell us?>why dont you tell us?
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quoted 2 lines what they need is to get out of their rut and produce something>> what they need is to get out of their rut and produce something >> inspiring instead of mind-numbing.
quoted 3 lines some folks really like what they have been producing lately. i sure do.>some folks really like what they have been producing lately. i sure do. >but then again, i tend to be more into the teeky, psycadelic, >"experimental" side of things than the melodic side..
if only it were experimental. far too predictable to be experimental! maybe some psychedelics would have made it bearable <grin>
quoted 7 lines not to say i odnt>not to say i odnt >like a solid pop song now and then. (assuming here that you are arguing >that they have moved too far from the "musical"/traditional side of things >-- if that makes sense). >fuck, at least they havnt gone the silly drill and bass route of everyone >else and are still producing original material (though a couple tracks >came close :)
everything in the live set went along these lines. no variety. patching in plugin effects over your beats without any context (i.e some kind of reciprocal effect or response from other threads of the music) has no value whatsoever, it just sounds tacky. and this is supposed to be 'advanced' music?
quoted 3 lines btw: is b. parmegiani the percussionist who somehow produced super complex>btw: is b. parmegiani the percussionist who somehow produced super complex >rhytms off his body or something? i seem to recall a friends talking >about him.
parmegiani is a french ircam guy - one of autechre's idols - even though they've only been listening to him for a few years, it shows.. <waves>
1999-02-05 19:49Zenon M. FeszczakIf a million mathematicians typed a million equations into a million calculators, would th
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If a million mathematicians typed a million equations into a million calculators, would they create Beethoven's 9th? And more importantly, would they CREATE Beethoven's 9th? Numerologically, 3
1999-02-06 00:12solenoidOn Fri, 5 Feb 1999, terraHertz wrote: > On 4 Feb 1999, little miss trinitron wrote: > > Mu
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On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, terraHertz wrote:
quoted 3 lines On 4 Feb 1999, little miss trinitron wrote:> On 4 Feb 1999, little miss trinitron wrote: > > Music IS mathematics to me, I think music is a billion trillion equations
Yeah just read about MPEG Layer 4, which basically means resynthesizing recorded sound...
quoted 4 lines face it, if you use any kind of sequencer, your music CAN be transcribed> > face it, if you use any kind of sequencer, your music CAN be transcribed > into an equation. >
What? Sorry I can't hear you.... TerraHertz sound is out of my hearing range... solenoid
1999-02-05 19:24lazloBoth of you (!): read Douglas Hoffstader's "Godel, Escher, Bach" if you haven't already. Q
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Both of you (!): read Douglas Hoffstader's "Godel, Escher, Bach" if you haven't already. Quite dated but intriguing look at the math/music argument... lazlo "Nate Harrison [Toshok Laboratories]" wrote:
quoted 77 lines Hey terra> Hey terra > > don't be a jerk > > just trying to add another side > > you can read all the reports you want > > meanwhile I'm listening to beautiful music made by people thousands of > years ago who had no concept of calculus...er wait I'm listening to Black > Dog:) > > peace > > Nate > > On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, terraHertz wrote: > > > On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Nate Harrison [Toshok Laboratories] wrote: > > > > > > > > Music is not math. Music just 'is'. Math is an observation. > > > > > > Nate > > > > > guess you didn't see the "TO ME" after the "music is math" i wrote. you > > believe music just is, and obviously we'd have a dull list if no one > > disagreed. but i've heard report afer report of child music prodigies > > that can also do grad school-level calculus. figure that out, Toshok > > Laboratories Man. > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, terraHertz wrote: > > > > > > > On 4 Feb 1999, little miss trinitron wrote: > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 22:02:46 GMT > > > > > From: artist@sub-con-geo.demon.co.uk (little miss trinitron) > > > > > Subject: Re: (idm) Bola: "Soup" > > > > > > > > > > autechre last night weren't very good - clippity-clop beats, one note > > > > > bass, and plugin-patching unextraodinaire - mostly transparent and > > > > > insubstantial - about enough good material in their (very long) set > > > > > for a 2 minute track.. toolshed murdered them in my humble opinion.. > > > > > and hang that blessed dj! > > > > > > > > > > motto for today - music is not mathematics! > > > > > > > > Music IS mathematics to me, I think music is a billion trillion equations > > > > with just a smattering of random number generators feeding values to the > > > > equations, which would be things like the weather, or your mood, or > > > > relative degree of intoxication -- whatever influences your songwriting > > > > process. > > > > > > > > i'm not saying autechre couldn't have been boring. most likely they just > > > > needed more equations. > > > > > > > > face it, if you use any kind of sequencer, your music CAN be transcribed > > > > into an equation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the future: www.noisemusic.org/it -- sounds like: www.gl.umbc.edu/~nworth1 > > > > the shaman McKenna breaks shiat down: www.levity.com/eschaton/novelty.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the future: www.noisemusic.org/it -- sounds like: www.gl.umbc.edu/~nworth1 > > the shaman McKenna breaks shiat down: www.levity.com/eschaton/novelty.html > > > >
1999-02-05 20:12Adam J WeitzmanI think that from now on, whenever I review a release, I will express it in mathematical t
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I think that from now on, whenever I review a release, I will express it in mathematical terms. All IDM releases will be described by a mathematical expression involving beats (B), funkiness (F), noisiness (N), cut-up (C), subliminality (S) and Autechre units (Ae). For instance: Autechre's latest album: 9Ae + 7B - 4F + 2N Bola's _Soup_: (5B + 8S + Ae + 2F) / N Fennesz's _Hotel_Paral.lel_: 4B * 4N + 2C Mouse On Mars _Autoditacker_: Ae * (6S + 3F + 3N + B) + C anything by Funkstorung: (3/5)Ae anything on V/Vm: 9C * 7N - 20Ae^2 See how easy this is? :-) -- Adam J Weitzman NewsEdge Corporation sleepy people | network down http://www.newsedge.com http://www.newspage.com
1999-02-05 20:24little miss trinitronOn Fri, 05 Feb 1999 15:12:05 -0500, you wrote: >For instance: >Autechre's latest album: 9A
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On Fri, 05 Feb 1999 15:12:05 -0500, you wrote:
quoted 1 line For instance:>For instance:
quoted 6 lines Autechre's latest album: 9Ae + 7B - 4F + 2N>Autechre's latest album: 9Ae + 7B - 4F + 2N >Bola's _Soup_: (5B + 8S + Ae + 2F) / N >Fennesz's _Hotel_Paral.lel_: 4B * 4N + 2C >Mouse On Mars _Autoditacker_: Ae * (6S + 3F + 3N + B) + C >anything by Funkstorung: (3/5)Ae >anything on V/Vm: 9C * 7N - 20Ae^2
quoted 1 line See how easy this is? :-)>See how easy this is? :-)
i think you're onto something here... <waves>
1999-02-05 20:51Nate Harrison \[Toshok Laboratories\]Ha Ha! This is going down as my fav IDM post for February:) Nate On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Adam
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Ha Ha! This is going down as my fav IDM post for February:) Nate On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Adam J Weitzman wrote:
quoted 24 lines I think that from now on, whenever I review a release, I will express it> I think that from now on, whenever I review a release, I will express it > in mathematical terms. All IDM releases will be described by a > mathematical expression involving beats (B), funkiness (F), noisiness > (N), cut-up (C), subliminality (S) and Autechre units (Ae). > > For instance: > > Autechre's latest album: 9Ae + 7B - 4F + 2N > Bola's _Soup_: (5B + 8S + Ae + 2F) / N > Fennesz's _Hotel_Paral.lel_: 4B * 4N + 2C > Mouse On Mars _Autoditacker_: Ae * (6S + 3F + 3N + B) + C > anything by Funkstorung: (3/5)Ae > anything on V/Vm: 9C * 7N - 20Ae^2 > > See how easy this is? :-) > > -- > Adam J Weitzman > NewsEdge Corporation sleepy people | network down > http://www.newsedge.com > http://www.newspage.com > > >
1999-02-06 21:27Matthew KorfhageLate reply to a couple long threads (as someone who enjoys the fractal geometry of Ae5): F
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Late reply to a couple long threads (as someone who enjoys the fractal geometry of Ae5): First (description aside)-- mathematics is just one way to describe something-- the fact that there are mappable mathematical relations that ca be found in music does not mean that math has *anything* to do with the music-- otherwise *everything* is math including you, whoever you may be (whomever you may be=bad grammar joke:) ). Finding a mathematical system that makes good music is generally fleeting and still requires personal recognition, which is a matter of feeling, not relations... even if feeling is determined by a system of relations, that system is not mathematics, I can promise. I don't need to add "just my views" here, but apparently I am. Read Hofstadter only as a library loan-- that bastard does't need aother ego boost from book sales-- and with a grain of salt-- he's trying to open a nut with a jackhammer, or really, come to think of it, with a Rube Goldberg contraption that terminates by kicking its own ass. Oh, and when did IDM become the classical of the future instead of the jazz of the future, or just plain "THE MUSIC OF THE FUTURE (insert variable ! or ?)" ? Blurred high/low distinctions aside, deciding classifications of the future is a sort of doomed proposition from the start. If everyone(har de har)'s calling it IDM now, there's no reason why everyone will suddenly stop calling it IDM later and start calling it classical---same reason why drum 'n bass got the "new jazz" moniker but never got called "jazz"-- technology is an instrument, not a style necessarily-- if this music is getting differentiated by the instrumentation and its obsession with itself, it'll be its own category (or dated movement), not classical or jazz or "new rock" (er, sory, already taken....) or whatever. Stuff blends, stuff gets named so we can talk about it, yadda yadda. I'm gonna get my pompous ass some food. I apologize to all who read that. M. If there's one thing I can't stand, it's up.
1999-02-05 20:27Rodney PerkinsAs far as mathematical representations of music are concerned, I think Anthony Braxton has
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As far as mathematical representations of music are concerned, I think Anthony Braxton has everyone beat. Of course, His math-musical theories always comes off as impossibly dense and obscures his great music. Heed the warning...
quoted 24 lines I think that from now on, whenever I review a release, I will express it> I think that from now on, whenever I review a release, I will express it > in mathematical terms. All IDM releases will be described by a > mathematical expression involving beats (B), funkiness (F), noisiness > (N), cut-up (C), subliminality (S) and Autechre units (Ae). > > For instance: > > Autechre's latest album: 9Ae + 7B - 4F + 2N > Bola's _Soup_: (5B + 8S + Ae + 2F) / N > Fennesz's _Hotel_Paral.lel_: 4B * 4N + 2C > Mouse On Mars _Autoditacker_: Ae * (6S + 3F + 3N + B) + C > anything by Funkstorung: (3/5)Ae > anything on V/Vm: 9C * 7N - 20Ae^2 > > See how easy this is? :-) > > -- > Adam J Weitzman > NewsEdge Corporation sleepy people | network down > http://www.newsedge.com > http://www.newspage.com > > >
1999-02-05 21:58DzrtMusic@aol.comwhat the hell? You're taking it to a literal level that which cannot be obtained with our
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what the hell? You're taking it to a literal level that which cannot be obtained with our current understanding and knowledge of math. You're attempting to build a solid bridge, something we can accept undisputedly, between music and math, but since we don't yet have all the bricks and materials required to build such a bridge, you attempt to build it with what we have so far. (and some of those bricks and materials are uneven and misshapen) You end up using some of the bricks and materials that weren't even meant to build bridges between math and music, or even worseyou place the bricks in the wrong place! AND!! Even worste than that!!! You become overconfident in your "progress", TOTALLY INCONSIDERATE OF THE POSSIBILITY OF ERROR, in a frantic impatient coinceded vain attempt to grasp everthing at once for the purpose of going nowhere fast, yay. Why not just all of you take a step back and come to the consensus that we humans, especially your "modern" ones, don't know jack shit about anything really. When you want to build a skyscraper, you start with the foundation first.
quoted 2 lines If a million mathematicians typed a million equations into a million> If a million mathematicians typed a million equations into a million > calculators, would they create Beethoven's 9th?