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1998-06-22 23:58ninphil (idm) chicks and idm
├─ 1998-06-23 00:42Michael Upton Re: (idm) chicks and idm
│ └─ 1998-06-23 00:17GamePrg. Re: (idm) chicks and idm
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1998-06-22 23:58ninphil>> On Sat, 20 Jun 1998, GamePrg. wrote: >> > as for girlfriends, It's like totally futile
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quoted 3 lines On Sat, 20 Jun 1998, GamePrg. wrote:>> On Sat, 20 Jun 1998, GamePrg. wrote: >> > as for girlfriends, It's like totally futile to try and find a >> > girl who likes this kind of music
OK, I considered letting this thread go...figuring everyone elses 2cents would eventually make my point. But then it lead to a discussion in our office about men women, music and competition. I think there is a male misconception out there that if you don't ceaseslessly buy, collect, proove your knowlege that somehow you don't appreciate or truly understand music. I draw the parallel to sports stats. Guys love the stats, right? Whoever knows the stats win..well music geeks displace this stat collecting urge to their recordbuying/trainspotting habits. The "i just got the promo copy of a limited edition aphex twin 10' that was peed on by richard james himself..aren't i cool that i'm the only one that has this" attitude gets on my tits. Owning and enjoying are not synonymous boyz. Just cause lots chicks don't spend every last dime flipping through the bins and then get on their computers and spend 5 hrs chatting and emailing and proving their dick size cause of the obscure stuff they bought that day doesn't mean they dont "like" that kind of music. Dont get me wrong peolple, my partner here at ninja is one of the biggest record buying geeks in the world, and without people like him we wouldn't exist as a label. I think men (and some chicks I know...cause NEVER NEVER generalize ) love this activity, should be encouraged to collect music rather than baseball cards and keep supportin the obscure shit. BUT it is the attitude that somehow women aren't aware, or dont appreciate the music because they dont necessarilly obsess about the act of collecting that botheres me. Personally I feel many women often prefer exposing themselves to music in more social, less, dare I use the word "competitive" environments. I get most of my exposure through going out to events, listening to the stuff thats brought home or into the office...and dont underestimate alternative and college radio. Hey brave new waves on CBC one of the longest running IDM shows is totally ruled by girls. Anyhow, I could ramble all day...but I'd probably alienate all of our loyal fans ;) maybe I'll just add the disclaimer **THE OPINIONS EXPRESSED IN THIS POSTING ARE NOT NECESSARILLY THOSE OF NINJA TUNE*** trust me there was a bit of a discussion on this matter, and Jeff definately thinks that more men like IDM and this proven by the fact that they are the ones buying it. But like all mature beings, we agree to disagree and I take advantage of the fact that he spends all his cash on records and I get to sit back and enjoy them free o charge! PS I am a Chick and I dig IDM. Please enter me in the contest as Ninja Mistress 'illipa . Wait till ya see the talent part of the show. peace philippa stealthy not wealthy
1998-06-23 00:42Michael UptonOn Mon, 22 Jun 1998, ninphil wrote: | OK, I considered letting this thread go...figuring e
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On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, ninphil wrote: | OK, I considered letting this thread go...figuring everyone elses 2cents | would eventually make my point. But then it lead to a discussion in our | office about men women, music and competition. I think there is a male | misconception out there that if you don't ceaseslessly buy, collect, | proove your knowlege that somehow you don't appreciate or truly | understand music. Although I think the above has actually been said a few times, I just have to say "right on", cos it's a generalisation I've found to be soooo true. The number of male friends (well, and enemies for that matter) I have who say "ahhh women are hardly ever passionate about music", because they don't buy heaps, or even read heaps, is nuts. I remember that dude einexile, if he still exists, saying on the ambient list that there was always a risk of turning trends about fewer women than men being into this shit into statements about what should be. Like, let's get girls up and out there doing stuff, as if the lives of those who don't take an interest the way more boys do are losing out somehow. I encountered this first hand with my g/f not wanting to comment on stuff I did, because she didn't feel she had enough knowledge of the kind of music I was doing. Not that she isn't into the music, mind you, just that she felt she didn't have the _knowledge_. I don't really care at all - I just want to know what people respond to, not how my precious peice of art fits the milieu of the IDM genre. ;) Maybe that's not a gender thing, but I've never had a guy who actually like IDM stuff say "sorry, I don't know enough about it to comment", and it reminds me of what 'illipa (heh) wrote. Michael "You know what? I'll call him Jet Jaguar..." http://www.vuw.ac.nz/~michael/jj.html Site last updated 15/4/98
1998-06-23 00:17GamePrg.On Tuesday, 23-Jun-98, Michael Upton wrote [about Re: (idm) chicks and idm]: >Although I t
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On Tuesday, 23-Jun-98, Michael Upton wrote [about Re: (idm) chicks and idm]:
quoted 5 lines Although I think the above has actually been said a few times, I just have>Although I think the above has actually been said a few times, I just have >to say "right on", cos it's a generalisation I've found to be soooo true. >The number of male friends (well, and enemies for that matter) I have who >say "ahhh women are hardly ever passionate about music", because they >don't buy heaps, or even read heaps, is nuts.
umm.. I say this AGAIN.. I did not mean ANYTHING sexist with that remark.. I am not saying nor do I think that girls aren't passionate about music.. fucksake.. believe me. those guys are on one side of the planet, and I'm on the other. girls are just as passionate as guys about everything (and even more passionate about other things) including music, if they aren't even more passionate about that.. I mean nearly all girls buy all the cd's of their fav. group, etc. etc.. I hope I've finally rested my case, I've tried several times.. maybe some of you got me mixed up in the whole Ms. IDM crap.. __ __\ \ / /_\ \ 1cQ<->uIN \_____/ 1.3777993 "..in whatever you do, if you can't break new ground, what's the point?" - James Cameron
1998-06-23 16:50Esther Yoonthanx for the rant phillipa... i understand the parallel between baseball cards and record
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thanx for the rant phillipa... i understand the parallel between baseball cards and record collecting-- my boyfriend was collecting baseball cards and sports stats before he became a record whore. that kind of consumption is NOT a measure of appreciation... it's just a different way of doing things, and guys possess a gendered and innate tendency to collect stuff just to brag and swing cock about it on the playground. quite honestly, i think it's cause guys NEED something to talk about, and talking about their hobbies is a safeguard from discussing emotions or personal stuff that guys always run away from. albeit i also know guys who are super emo and wonderful and also talk about records all day, but you get my drift... like you, i prefer to get most of my CDs freefree and spend my money on finer things- i still have more than enough beautiful new music to fill my 24/7. hehehe. -esther