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Hi, Since quite a few people seem to be interested in the same titles from my for sale list I have decided to put the items in question up for auction. The auction will run until Sunday night April 26. Trade offers are encouraged and will carry more weight than cash offers. My want list can be found at: http://home.earthlink.net/~wmn303/want.html Please send all offers to the following e-mail address: <wmn303@juno.com> this will allow me to keep better track of any incoming bids. I will post an update every few days and will probably have an auction page up on my site by tommorrow night which will be updated daily. I will post the URL when it is ready. Lastly I reserve the right not to sell any items that do not receive acceptable bids. All of the records are in excellent to mint condition unless otherwise noted. Here is the list: AFX- Hangable Autobulb I (Warp) (on vinyl) Air Liquide- Nephology (Blue) (on cd) Air Liquide- Sonic Weather Machine (Rising High) (on blue vinyl) B1210 Cmetric (B12 Records) (on red vinyl) Bjork- Hyperballad (10") (LFO Mixes) (One Little Indian) (on vinyl) Brad Strider- Bradley's Beat (1st Rephlex release) (Rephlex) (on vinyl) Forgemasters- Track With No Name (1st Warp release) (Warp) (on vinyl) Future Sound Of London- Cascade (Virgin) (on vinyl) Jedi Knights- May The Funk Be With You (Clear) (on vinyl) Kraftwerk- Kraftwerk L.P. (Vertigo) (on vinyl) LFO- Frequencies (Tommy Boy) (on vinyl) MASK 002 (Music Aus Strom/Skam) (on vinyl) Nev- From Above It Ripples Over Stone (G.P.R.) (on vinyl) Prefab Sprout- If You Don't Want Me (Future Sound Of London Mixes) (Epic) (on vinyl) Repeat- Game Shows (G.P.R.) (on vinyl) Shiva- Ready To Go (Black Dog remix of Shout) (G.P.R.) (has some surface scratches) (on vinyl) Sweet Excorcist- C.C.E.P. (Warp) (on vinyl) Universal Indicator- Red (Rephlex) (on vinyl) Universal Indicator- Blue (Rephlex) (on vinyl) Universal Indicator- Green (7",10" and 12") (Rephlex) (on vinyl) Various- Artificial Intelligence II (Limited 3x12") (Warp) (on vinyl) Various- Invisible Soundtracks Volume I (Leaf) (on vinyl) Vulva- From The Cockpit (Rephlex) (on vinyl)

There are now less than three days left of the auction, and here are the latest bids in US dollars. Bidding ends on Friday 17:00 CET (Central Europe Time, GMT +2 in the summer). (The America / Justified picture disc can be yours quite cheaply...) AUTECHRE: Radio Mix (CD) - $70 ORB: Aubrey Mixes (CD) - $60 ORB/KLF: Eternity Project One (CD) - $90 (two bids) KLF: America / Justified (Picture disc 12") - no bid yet (starting bid $25) KLF: America (Acid Mix KLF92PROMO3 12") - $75 Cheers, Johan. PS. Sorry for the crosspost. _________________________________________________________________________ Johan Jaatinen, Umea, Sweden johan.jaatinen@mp.se / agape@gargamel.com

At 10:02 PM 4/21/98 -0400, you wrote:

quoted 1 line AUTECHRE: Radio Mix (CD) - $70

>AUTECHRE: Radio Mix (CD) - $70

Does anyone know where I could find this or a copy of this for say... A reasonable price? Last time I saw a CD go for that much was when the loonies on rec.music.industrial were bidding for a copy of KMFDM's "Naive" album. -- andrij.

On Tuesday, 21-Apr-98, Andrij Kopytko wrote [about Re: (idm) Auction]:

quoted 2 lines At 10:02 PM 4/21/98 -0400, you wrote:

>At 10:02 PM 4/21/98 -0400, you wrote: >>AUTECHRE: Radio Mix (CD) - $70

you've gotta be bloody outta your mind! I think people have let auctions get extremely out of hand in the past year.. I mean.. come on, this is not worth more than $15 tops. It's not that old or that rare. You'd think it was one of the Joyrex's or something. for that I'll take the .RA to my friend's place and have him burn it to a CD-R, and then have $65 left over. __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ "..in whatever you do, if you can't break new ground, what's the point?" - James Cameron

In a message dated 98-04-22 15:42:36 EDT, buh@clark.net writes: << >AUTECHRE: Radio Mix (CD) - $70 you've gotta be bloody outta your mind! I think people have let auctions get extremely out of hand in the past year.. I mean.. come on, this is not worth more than $15 tops. >> Just my two cents ... but you'd think all of us poor sods who can't afford a $30 disc (much less a $70 one!) would never get a chance to hear these hard- to-find and obviously much desired recordings. How about those of us who are poor all put up $5 and buy it and then each copy it for our own pleasure. That would definitely allow many to hear the limited-edition copies of things we will never otherwise get a chance to. Just a open thought, not a solid proposition. But this bidding thing is getting ridiculous. I always thought it was about the music ... I love the music, but at such extreme prices it would appear to be an impossibility. I feel sorry for those who are just getting into IDM. Yeah, there are lots of classic recordings out there, but this pricing extortion is going to take a lot of potential ones out of their hands/ears. Share the wealth, or beware the class revolution. He says jokingly. James np: my domestic Panacea

On Thursday, 23-Apr-98, Andregurov wrote [about Re: (idm) Auction]:

quoted 12 lines Just my two cents ... but you'd think all of us poor sods who can't afford a

>Just my two cents ... but you'd think all of us poor sods who can't afford a >$30 disc (much less a $70 one!) would never get a chance to hear these hard- >to-find and obviously much desired recordings. How about those of us who are >poor all put up $5 and buy it and then each copy it for our own pleasure. >That would definitely allow many to hear the limited-edition copies of things >we will never otherwise get a chance to. Just a open thought, not a solid >proposition. But this bidding thing is getting ridiculous. I always thought >it was about the music ... I love the music, but at such extreme prices it >would appear to be an impossibility. I feel sorry for those who are just >getting into IDM. Yeah, there are lots of classic recordings out there, but >this pricing extortion is going to take a lot of potential ones out of their >hands/ears.

not only that, but the prices for things... the same things... seem to get higher and higher.. I remember a time when $80 was the highest you'd have to pay for a record. now we have things skyrocketing to near $200 and such. __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ "..in whatever you do, if you can't break new ground, what's the point?" - James Cameron

On Thu, Apr 23, 1998 at 09:50:28AM +0000, Che wrote:

quoted 4 lines ORB: Aubrey Mixes (CD) - $60

>> ORB: Aubrey Mixes (CD) - $60 > > Uh, what am I missing here? I see this used in the US for cheap all the > time.

If you bought every copy you saw I doubt you'd have much trouble finding homes for them. There are always people looking for this on the Orb list -- as far as I know it's been out of print for several years. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists

At 23:31 1998-04-22 EDT, you wrote:

quoted 4 lines Just my two cents ... but you'd think all of us poor sods who can't afford a

>Just my two cents ... but you'd think all of us poor sods who can't afford a >$30 disc (much less a $70 one!) would never get a chance to hear these hard- >to-find and obviously much desired recordings. How about those of us who are >poor all put up $5 and buy it and then each copy it for our own pleasure.

May I remind y'all that back when this was released Johan (who's now selling it) offered to tape it to everyone who sent him a blank tape... No personal gain intended. And besides, while you're (Game Prg/Hillie) bitching about the amount of $, I have NEVER seen this item on auction since it was released, I've seen MASK2 and all Joyrexes several times. Fe. inf: 908285 | F. ENMARK | SWEDEN = ) = =-= = pop: http://gargamel.com/plod -/ - - - ] www: http://gargamel.com/frankie = =.. =-= = .

On Thursday, 23-Apr-98, Franz Enmark wrote [about Re: (idm) Auction]:

quoted 3 lines And besides, while you're (Game Prg/Hillie) bitching about the amount of $,

>And besides, while you're (Game Prg/Hillie) bitching about the amount of $, >I have NEVER seen this item on auction since it was released, I've seen >MASK2 and all Joyrexes several times.

well I'm not saying I have.. $70 is just way too much to pay for something like this.. just think about how long it's been out, and what it is. I paid $70 for my copy of Joyrex J9ii. now I think we both know that j9ii is a lot older, and a hell of a lot rarer than the radiomix promo. __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ "..in whatever you do, if you can't break new ground, what's the point?" - James Cameron

At 08:03 23.04.98 EST4EDT, GamePrg. wrote:

quoted 2 lines well I'm not saying I have.. $70 is just way too much to pay for something

>well I'm not saying I have.. $70 is just way too much to pay for something >like this.. just think about how long it's been out, and what it is.

IMO, no sum of money is "too much" for anything. if the guy who sells it finds a buyer, both the seller and the buyer will be happy. the only way to restrict two deal partners from being happy is to limit their freedom of choice by instituting regulations, the extreme form of which is called socialism. the market will show if $70 really is "too much" for the disc. if it is, other people will come out of the woodwork and sell their radiomixes until the price goes down automatically. thus, discussions about whether someone is asking "too much" for anything are quite useless as long as that person does not try to deliberately rip off someone on the basis of his uninformedness. which surely doesn't apply in this case. cheers, --tom

At 03:33 PM 4/23/98 +0200, you wrote:

quoted 1 line IMO, no sum of money is "too much" for anything. if the guy who >sells it

>IMO, no sum of money is "too much" for anything. if the guy who >sells it

finds a buyer, both the seller and the buyer will be happy. What about the artist? What about the other fans? Are we all so egotistical that we don't care about spreading the music anymore? -- andrij.

quoted 5 lines IMO, no sum of money is "too much" for anything. if the guy who sells it

>IMO, no sum of money is "too much" for anything. if the guy who sells it >finds a buyer, both the seller and the buyer will be happy. the only way to >restrict two deal partners from being happy is to limit their freedom of >choice by instituting regulations, the extreme form of which is called >socialism.

PLEASE. No capitalism vs. socialism thread. PLEASE Either fork up the dough, ignore it, cry to yourself, or plot a worker's revolution. But don't whine about it on a public mailing list... "Groucho" Sam

On Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:31:31 EDT Andregurov <Andregurov@aol.com> writes:

quoted 36 lines In a message dated 98-04-22 15:42:36 EDT, buh@clark.net writes:

>In a message dated 98-04-22 15:42:36 EDT, buh@clark.net writes: > ><< >AUTECHRE: Radio Mix (CD) - $70 > > you've gotta be bloody outta your mind! > > I think people have let auctions get extremely out of hand in the >past > year.. > > I mean.. come on, this is not worth more than $15 tops. >> > >Just my two cents ... but you'd think all of us poor sods who can't >afford a >$30 disc (much less a $70 one!) would never get a chance to hear these >hard- >to-find and obviously much desired recordings. How about those of us >who are >poor all put up $5 and buy it and then each copy it for our own >pleasure. >That would definitely allow many to hear the limited-edition copies of >things >we will never otherwise get a chance to. Just a open thought, not a >solid >proposition. But this bidding thing is getting ridiculous. I always >thought >it was about the music ... I love the music, but at such extreme >prices it >would appear to be an impossibility. I feel sorry for those who are >just >getting into IDM. Yeah, there are lots of classic recordings out >there, but >this pricing extortion is going to take a lot of potential ones out of >their >hands/ears. >

if anyone wants a taped copy of this release, give me a holler... tom w np: cypher 7 - nothing lasts _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Hi all. I have an Aubrey Mixes CD from the original pressing. If I can remember correctly, this is the difference: The originals were distributed through Caroline Records, out of NY, while the re-issue was not. Am I correct? Robby -- "These amps go to 11!"

quoted 12 lines ORB: Aubrey Mixes (CD) - $60

> >ORB: Aubrey Mixes (CD) - $60 > > Uh, what am I missing here? I see this used in the US for cheap all the > time. Looking it up on Lazlo's Discog (thanks Lazlo) reveals no worthwhile > differences between the US & UK versions... > > This isn't meant to provoke a discussion of capitalism; I'm just wondering > why a rekkid that seems fairly common (in my part of the world at least) > would be worth so much. > > Thanks > Che

-- "The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he didn't exist." Kysrsoze@dls.net

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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:39:52 +1000 From: Turbo <turbo@wr.com.au> Subject: Re: (idm) Auction and songs to make you weep Ask the guy who recently (within a month) ran an auction for his mate through this list, as to how many people actually honoured their ridiculous bids!? Not that i really know but i bet it wasn't many. I suspect people get caught up in the heat of the moment and then bid ridiculous amounts of money and then realise they can do without it and would be better keeping the money. Mark S-Walker could probably testify to this with his failed auctioning of the ultimate rarity.. only 2 in existance, so the claims goes. People will pay what they want to pay, but i think the fact that the medium (a mailing-list) is faceless allows too much abuse of the auctioning system... from both the auctioneer and bidder(s).

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The facts, answered as asked: * IDM and *one* non IDM individual were the only ones solicited with the auction. * People who responded to the auction with bids of any size: 15-20 individuals * "Final" round of bids: 5-6 individuals * Bid "winners" - 5 * Bid "winners" who came forth *on time* and paid and were sent their goods: 3 This looks like a 3/5 success rate. Not too bad. Yes, people *do* get caught up in making ridiculous bids and then bailing but with this one we did, I think it went OK. Again, 3/5 of the people in the final round sent their money on time and got their stuff. As far as abuse goes, it certainly happens. But basically we set it up so that if we did'nt get payment after 2 weeks of a won bid, we dishonored the bid and sold it to someone else or held on to it foir another sale. I don't feel we were abusing the auction system at all. For the three folks that got the records, they'd probably attest that they were in good condition and that they received it. Honestly, I wish there was a better online auctioneering system ( Tim Gunter would agree?) and am always interested to look into other possibilities. Peter np: World Standard- Country Gazette ( on Daisyworld )....on Asphodel next month! ******************************************************** bpm0@interport.net, <also: peter@asphodel.com> Peter Becker - Distribution Manager/ DJ Pool / Mail Order/ Demo Tape Filter Asphodel - PO Box 51, Chelsea Station, NY NY 10113 Ph: (212) 604-9362, FAX: (212)604-0783 http://www.asphodel.com *********************************************************

Thus spake Peter Becker:

quoted 4 lines For the three folks that got the records, they'd probably attest that they

> > For the three folks that got the records, they'd probably attest that they > were in good condition and that they received it. >

Yes. I was very happy with the three pieces of vinyl that I got from Mark. The records (Stasis's 'Disco 4000' and 'Circuit Funk', Otherworld Collective's 'Artificial World') were in very good condition, well worth the money I paid for them. My Stasis collection nears completion, thanks to Mark's integrity. If anyone is willing to sell their copy of Stasis's 'The Sound of Stasis' on Multiplex, let me know. There is always an element of suspicion in making net.deals. I have been ripped off a couple of times, but I still maintain an optimistic view. If anyone is interested, I still have Machine Codes B, C, D and E for sale. In addition I would like to get rid of a substantial amount of old Harthouse Germany 12" - I will supply a list to persons interested via e-mail. I have some other items on sale as well, but I will post information on that subject later. As for ridiculous amounts of money paid for a record, the most expensive record I have ever bought was Caustic Window's 'Joyrex J9i EP' picture disc for 100 UKP a couple of years ago. Although the record itself is not that good, for a RePHLeX completist it is essential. Apart from the two early IG-88 and Q-Chastic EP, my RePHLeX collection is well nigh complete and probably rather valuable as well. I do not remember the person who sold me the record back then, but he was true to his word as well when I met him in London. But I digress. Enough. Cheers, -- nuutti-iivari meril?inen -> gordon@diversion.org : diversion communications technostructuralist + information architect + media designer

quoted 2 lines Mark S-Walker could probably testify to this with his failed auctioning

>Mark S-Walker could probably testify to this with his failed auctioning >of the ultimate rarity.. only 2 in existance, so the claims goes.

first time round this went for alot of money, but the bidder pulled out for various reasons. second time round, i got offered more money for it which was great. i sincerely believe it went for what it was worth. what goes around, comes around. on 2 occasions i've have pulled out of auctions without giving the seller's notice & making lame excuses, so with it happening to me i didn't really mind :) this was also with me being really busy @ work etc. i've been trading [lance and i have traded 3 years now, or is it 2? - i forget!] / buying & selling on the net for over 3 years. i have made offers on records and not got back etc, but if this happens to you the best thing is just to make a decision and sell it someone else. use your heads. if the money turns up @ a later date, simply return it! what i really hate are the people that email me seeing if i've kept the record in a plastic protective sleeve since the day i bought it etc etc. then they oull out of the sale! i've once been ripped off for 15 uk pounds. i got sent a record, it wasn't what they said it was, so i returned it & never got my money back. another time, i bought a record which was supposed to be mint in all aspects. the bpm was written in black felt-tip pen on the label. nothing major, but still! it's a good feeling selling records that people are really after, just as its a great feeling to find that elusive 12. prices are more expensive but thats a simple case of the net market being far more extensive. fact is - if its too expensive you won't sell it! this too has happened to me, so just lower them again. happy trading etc__ peace mark

At 03:14 PM 4/24/98 +0000, you wrote:

quoted 7 lines i've been trading [lance and i have traded 3 years now, or is it 2? - i

> >i've been trading [lance and i have traded 3 years now, or is it 2? - i >forget!] / buying & selling on the net for over 3 years. i have made offers >on records and not got back etc, but if this happens to you the best thing >is just to make a decision and sell it someone else. use your heads. if the >money turns up @ a later date, simply return it! >

it's true. i've been trading with mark for several years and i've always been nothing but pleased with everything he has sent me. i have no problem with auctions, i've done many myself. i feel if someone is willing to pay insane amounts of money for a record then i would sell it too. i believe the bidder wouldn't offer the money if he/she couldn't afford it. -->-Lance--- p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states

I had some Auction/Sale/Trade thoughts. mark s-walker wrote:

quoted 3 lines what goes around, comes around. on 2 occasions i've have pulled out of

> what goes around, comes around. on 2 occasions i've have pulled out of > auctions without giving the seller's notice & making lame excuses, so with > it happening to me i didn't really mind :)

I think 'Why a bidder/buyer has pulled out of an Auction' is no business of the seller. But the bidder/buyer should at least offer an email to notify the seller he or she is out of the Auction.

quoted 3 lines what i really hate are the people that email me seeing if i've kept the

> what i really hate are the people that email me seeing if i've kept the > record in a plastic protective sleeve since the day i bought it etc etc. > then they oull out of the sale!

I appreciate this type of questioning during a Sale or Auction. I think the condition of the record sleeve/jacket/cover is critical -- even when spending as little as 20$, or 100$s more, at Auction for a sight-unseen record. One persons 'average' may be another persons 'excellent' and vice versa.

quoted 2 lines i bought a record which was supposed to be mint in all

> i bought a record which was supposed to be mint in all > aspects. the bpm was written in black felt-tip pen on the label.

Any imperfections should be explained to the bidder/buyer regardless if it is a Sale or Auction and regardless of whether the bidder/buyer asks. This includes telling a buyer that a title is 'Promo' and has non-commercial (cut/punched/missing) artwork. I make it a habit to tell all buyers/bidders what condition a title is in before I send it to them (especially felt-tip pen markings!).

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> if > its too expensive you won't sell it!

Since Auctions usually fetch a greater amount of $ than a standard Sale or Trade I think the person conducting the Auction should go out of his or her way to accomodate the bidders questioning. If I conduct an auction I build a web page to provide images of the title and elaborations in text on its condition. My reasoning is if I am knowingly making more money via an Auction I should put some effort into it. Jeffrey

On Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 11:29:00AM -0700, Jeffrey Burk wrote:

quoted 7 lines what goes around, comes around. on 2 occasions i've have pulled out of

>> what goes around, comes around. on 2 occasions i've have pulled out of >> auctions without giving the seller's notice & making lame excuses, so >> with it happening to me i didn't really mind :) > > I think 'Why a bidder/buyer has pulled out of an Auction' is no business > of the seller. But the bidder/buyer should at least offer an email to > notify the seller he or she is out of the Auction.

At the very least. US law treats auction bids as contractual obligations. If you win and then try to "pull out" -- whatever the reason -- the seller has the right to come after you for the money. The moral being: don't make bids you can't back up! -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists

Hi, I am currently auctioning some of the more interesting titles from my collection. These items include records by Aphex Twin, Autechre, Black Dog Productions, The Orb, Plaid and Reload. My web page can be found at: http://home.earthlink.net/~wmn303 In order to get to the auction page click on the <sale/trade list> link. Thanks for looking, Wayne

i could use some cash, so i 'm gonna get rid of my mask 2 12" (idm tradition) mask 2 - 200 copies blah blah blah, you know the one min bid $175 I'll make the auction go until 12noon on the 20th of january (2 weeks) i reserve the right to refuse any bid i please etc, steve

I've put up an auction page on http://www.globalserve.net/~cognition with 60 items (and more to come) including: one year's worth of all new releases from the UK's Warp label, plus videos, vinyl, CDs, and cassettes. There's DJ mixes, compilations, artist releases, limited edition stuff, stuff that has yet to be released, stuff that's promo only, and lots of goodies in the electronic music sphere: house, techno, tech house, electro, idm, ambient, etc. This auction is being held on the Cognition Audioworks site as a Fundraiser for Halifax's CKDU 97.5 FM (where they've been kind enough to put up with me and broadcast In The Mix since 1987 ;). Full auction list and details can be found on http://www.globalserve.net/~cognition Auction ends Monday Feb 1 at 10 AM. Hope you have a chance to check it out and get some bids in, if you're interested. Thanks and have a great weekend. Andrew PS Deadline for entering Shake contest is this Monday at 10 AM AST.

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