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is it just me, or does anyone else hate roni size? i've only had the patience to listen to brown paper bag, but that was plenty. as far as i'm concerned that song is beyond sucking. i wouldn't hate it so much if it wasn't generally thought of as "really good" (especially by the stupid mainstream titanic lovers, spin, rolling stone, any other pop music magazine, and people who sit and worship wu-tang all day)but face it kids, it's a big stinky pile of crappy jungle. feel free to try to explain how BPB is worth the 4 minutes it takes to sit through it. p.s. does anyone else get pissed when techno people stick rap and r&b in their songs? leave it where it belongs! It's about as annyoing as guitar solos in techno. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Well, hate is a strong word, but I'm definately not a fan. It seems to be a hype machine out of control, but then again the only drum and bass I enjoy at all is the 'avant-guarde' stuff like Amon Tobin and Journeyman who arent locked into doing it every track for the sake of it. To me (and my probably ignorant views on the genre), alot of the drum and bass artists sound like house without the droll 4/4 kick. I'm not dissing the whole scene, and while I've checked out both Platinum Breaks and some DJ Die and Peshay, I don't consider myself qualified to pass judgement either way, but I agree, Roni Size (and Goldie for that matter, since they seem to be the Monsters of Jungle right now) is boring. clockwise np: U.N.K.L.E. "Last Orgy 3" (awesome, get it while you can, and if you can find it) At 11:00 PM 3/19/98 -0800, you wrote:

quoted 22 lines is it just me, or does anyone else hate roni size? i've only had the

>is it just me, or does anyone else hate roni size? i've only had the >patience to listen to brown paper bag, but that was plenty. as far as >i'm concerned that song is beyond sucking. i wouldn't hate it so much >if it wasn't generally thought of as "really good" (especially by the >stupid mainstream titanic lovers, spin, rolling stone, any other pop >music magazine, and people who sit and worship wu-tang all day)but >face it kids, it's a big stinky pile of crappy jungle. feel free to >try to explain how BPB is worth the 4 minutes it takes to sit through >it. > >p.s. does anyone else get pissed when techno people stick rap and r&b >in their songs? leave it where it belongs! It's about as annyoing as >guitar solos in techno. > > > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >

pete moench wrote:

quoted 9 lines is it just me, or does anyone else hate roni size? i've only had the

> is it just me, or does anyone else hate roni size? i've only had the > patience to listen to brown paper bag, but that was plenty. as far as > i'm concerned that song is beyond sucking. i wouldn't hate it so much > if it wasn't generally thought of as "really good" (especially by the > stupid mainstream titanic lovers, spin, rolling stone, any other pop > music magazine, and people who sit and worship wu-tang all day)but > face it kids, it's a big stinky pile of crappy jungle. feel free to > try to explain how BPB is worth the 4 minutes it takes to sit through > it.

Funny, I had the same attitude not to long after all the reprezents stuff came out. The first mistake I made was buying the 3xLP on the hopes that the one track I had heard and loved would be on it. It wasn't, and at that point I realized that the the LP was pretty dry. I've since the picked up all the singles, collecting some decent remixes like Grooveriders jeep mix of 'share the fall', the takamaura remix of BPB or Optical's mix of 'Watching Windows'. I made the mistake of dissing Roni Size to a friend (who's also a uk engineer/producer) and he said, 'what about V? What about Dope Dragon' and named off a few dozen tracks I've dropped and loved over the years. The conversation that followed made me realize that it wasn't so much Roni Size or the music so much as the hype being generated over the Reprezents project. I also decided that this is a pretty silly thing to get upset about. So it's not the most challenging music. So it's getting blown out of proportion. Big deal...It's not enough to hate someone over. Roni Size is still a pioneer and has done some great shit. peaceout, brockout. np: John B - 'Visions'

Brock wrote in the bottom of his message: "np: John B - 'Visions'" I write: Who is this John B. guy? I picked this album up last week, and I have mixed feelings about it. It's really sugar coated dnb, but at times it's ok. Disc one is jazzy, disc 2 is more 'tech'. I also picked up Adam F's full length, as well as the new LTJ Progression Sessions. Again, more suryp stuff, but hey, I'll admit it, sometimes I get into that shit, especially the LTJ with the strings and mellow vibe; good blunt/driving. The only thing I just don't dig AT ALL is MC Conrad. Oh boy, this guy needs to go. ciao Nate

why get pissed? let 'em mix it up and see what happens. if it sucks, oh well... but theres always a chance something interesting might come of it... ever wonder if people in the 70's got pissed when people like grandmaster flash started "ruining" perfectly good disco records by talking over them?

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> -----Original Message----- > From: pete moench [SMTP:fragmaster2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, March 20, 1998 2:00 AM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: (idm) screw roni size > > > p.s. does anyone else get pissed when techno people stick rap and r&b > in their songs? leave it where it belongs! It's about as annyoing as > guitar solos in techno. > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

quoted 9 lines why get pissed? let 'em mix it up and see what happens. if it sucks,

> why get pissed? let 'em mix it up and see what happens. if it sucks, > oh > well... but theres always a chance something interesting might come of > > it... > > ever wonder if people in the 70's got pissed when people like > grandmaster flash started "ruining" perfectly good disco records by > talking over them?

Of course they got annoyed, but hell havent you realised yet? people in general are always wrong. steve

quoted 3 lines Of course they got annoyed, but hell havent you realised yet?

>Of course they got annoyed, but hell havent you realised yet? >people in general are always wrong. >

I agree with this last statement. Where we live, in canada, people are not so curious. Once in a while, long time after things have happened abroad, after they do discover somebody or stupid music critics do write that this band is awesome, they decid this ONE is the ONE to whom they can relate, and then it' s all over. Even if the music is shitty, the show even worse, they will stick on the first idea like monkeys on a banana grape. point 2: what are previous Mira Calix releases (recently grabbed last double pack on Warp)....

I've been appalled too and suggest a purge of all experimentation and extraneous elements in electronic music. This would include use of live instruments, funky "Amen" breaks and non 4/4 time sound signatures (both signs of the dreadful infilitration of R&B and jazz into our pure music). Use of TR-808 and TB-303 and robot voices will be mandatory. Just kidding :-) P.S.: All of "New Forms" isn't great but there is enough of value to make a "fan" of Roni Size.

quoted 14 lines p.s. does anyone else get pissed when techno people stick rap and r&b

> >p.s. does anyone else get pissed when techno people stick rap and r&b >in their songs? leave it where it belongs! It's about as annyoing as >guitar solos in techno. > > > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >

-------------------------------- "Let me reiterate: these are only allegations." Rodney Perkins (mailto:rdperkins@earthlink.net)

Well, yeah... thats mainstream mentality. and that's never gonna change. There will always be cattle. It's up to the individual to decide if they want to think for themselves, or just be another follower (ie. victim of marketing/media/critics). There are ALOT of people out there that listen to music, but are NOT music lovers. For these people, the "shitty music" is fine. They have their top 40, and their Spin magazine, and they're happy with it. So what if shitty music gets deemed "THE ONE"? That music wasnt meant for us anyway. I could care less if the guy sitting next to me doesnt know the difference between hip hop and house. It's my bag, not his.

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> -----Original Message----- > From: neuromx [SMTP:neuromx@CAM.ORG] > Sent: Friday, March 20, 1998 9:32 AM > To: kung.funk@virgin.net; Byrne, Michael > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (idm) screw roni size > > > >Of course they got annoyed, but hell havent you realised yet? > >people in general are always wrong. > > > > I agree with this last statement. Where we live, in canada, people are > not > so curious. Once in a while, long time after things have happened > abroad, > after they do discover somebody or stupid music critics do write that > this > band is awesome, they decid this ONE is the ONE to whom they can > relate, > and then it' s all over. Even if the music is shitty, the show even > worse, > they will stick on the first idea like monkeys on a banana grape. > > point 2: what are previous Mira Calix releases (recently grabbed last > double pack on Warp).... > >

quoted 14 lines is it just me, or does anyone else hate roni size? i've only had the

> is it just me, or does anyone else hate roni size? i've only had the > patience to listen to brown paper bag, but that was plenty. as far as > i'm concerned that song is beyond sucking. i wouldn't hate it so much > if it wasn't generally thought of as "really good" (especially by the > stupid mainstream titanic lovers, spin, rolling stone, any other pop > music magazine, and people who sit and worship wu-tang all day)but > face it kids, it's a big stinky pile of crappy jungle. feel free to > try to explain how BPB is worth the 4 minutes it takes to sit through > it. > > p.s. does anyone else get pissed when techno people stick rap and r&b > in their songs? leave it where it belongs! It's about as annyoing as > guitar solos in techno. >

I dunno...i got slagged for liking the Roni Size show already. Here's my own personal experience. A couple years ago, i decided that being narrow minded and "purist" about music was not the way to go. Had i not had this sudden insight, i would never have found enjoyment in electronic music, since I used to be a "guitar junky". More and more, i find stuff that i like that i would never have liked a year or two ago, and some of it is commercial(thus, i get slagged by the purists and undergroundists) and even more of it is "underground"(i get slagged by the people who always say "what the hell is this? sounds like noise/crap/random beats/my grandmother farting/etc..."). All i can say is this: open your mind...enjoy the music for what it is, not for what you think it might represent, be it commercialism, anti-commercialism, or just some clique or scene. You'll get FAR more enjoyment out of music that way...i know i have much more material to choose from now! P.S. this wasn't a flame...only my own musical opinion. Ali Lalani "When injustice becomes law... Resistance becomes duty." Some montreal protesters

quoted 3 lines A couple years ago, i decided that being narrow minded and "purist"

>A couple years ago, i decided that being narrow minded and "purist" >about music was not the way to go. Had i not had this sudden insight, >i would never have found enjoyment in electronic music, since I used

call me a nazi, but i am an unabashed purist: i only like the good stuff. eric, feeling springy onnow: router hum

neuromx wrote:

quoted 8 lines I agree with this last statement. Where we live, in canada, people

> > I agree with this last statement. Where we live, in canada, people > are not so curious. Once in a while, long time after things have > happened abroad, after they do discover somebody or stupid music > critics do write that this band is awesome, they decid this ONE is > the ONE to whom they can relate, and then it' s all over. Even if > the music is shitty, the show even worse, they will stick on the > first idea like monkeys on a banana grape.

Couldn't agree more. A critic in Montreal's Voir (weekly paper) described the Rerprazent show as the best thing he'd seen in his life; curiously, in the same article, he also explained to readers what drum'n'bass is, with big easy words so even AC/DC fans could understand and relate (not that there's anything wrong with AC/DC fans...). BTW: For those living in Montreal, Global Communications Jedi Knights are coming to the Sona, Friday March 27. 20$ -- Sebastien Dalphond, b. ing. Toonboom Technologies Inc. tel 514.278.toon Montreal Canada fax 514.278.boom "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

quoted 2 lines point 2: what are previous Mira Calix releases (recently grabbed last

>point 2: what are previous Mira Calix releases (recently grabbed last >double pack on Warp)....

one previously, also on 10", called 'Illanga'. it's way better than pin skeeling, which i thought was deadly boring. the vendor refill remix is surely the worst track to appear on warp since the days of coco steel and lovebomb, what possessed them to put that out? people get upset by roni size, now THAT is a useless piece of drum and bass by numbers! <waves>

quoted 1 line is it just me, or does anyone else hate roni size

>is it just me, or does anyone else hate roni size

me, personally, no, because i've actually heard more than one of his tracks. what i hate are people who get free email accounts, join mailing lists like this, and waste everybody's time by just talking a load of shit. please shut up if you have nothing of interest to say!!!!!!!! btw is this limited cylob single coming out on monday or what? my locals don't have it listed in their schedules and they haven't even heard of it. <waves> np - the amazing music of the electronic arp synthesizer

No, but they *are* playing in Vancouver next week Greg ;-P .... First GC then two days later JN...strange. See it's not so bad out here! simon Greg Clow wrote:

quoted 8 lines On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Sebastien Dalphond wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Sebastien Dalphond wrote: > > > BTW: For those living in Montreal, Global Communications Jedi Knights > > are coming to the Sona, Friday March 27. 20$ > > Gleep! Anyone know of a Toronto show?? > > Greg

At 11:00 PM 3/19/98 -0800, you wrote:

quoted 3 lines feel free to

> feel free to >try to explain how BPB is worth the 4 minutes it takes to sit through >it.

It has a cool video. I don't like the other Roni Size stuff, especially with that "diva" or whoever. BPB has that, um, guy rapping instead. It also isn't as "Alex Reece-y" as the other Roni Size stuff. =)

quoted 3 lines p.s. does anyone else get pissed when techno people stick rap and r&b

>p.s. does anyone else get pissed when techno people stick rap and r&b >in their songs? leave it where it belongs! It's about as annyoing as >guitar solos in techno.

Sometimes rapping can be done well if the song doesn't center around it. The best example of this I can think of is T.Power's "Bionic Chronic" with Skan Won. The song isn't overpowered by the rapping, and a lot of the song goes on after the rapping is done. What I dislike with songs that have rapping is that care isn't put into the other parts of the song. The voices are much louder than the other instruments and the song isn't interesting at all without the rapping. And the lyrics would have to be pretty damn great for me to listen only for that reason... Anyway - Bobby