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1998-04-27 20:35Brock Phillips (idm) the good old days
2000-03-11 06:12(idm) The Good Old Days (Quantified)
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2000-03-11 22:55Christophe McKeon Re: (idm) The Good Old Days
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1998-04-27 20:35Brock PhillipsAs far as availability/affordability goes, you really can't go wrong with the "A Brief His
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As far as availability/affordability goes, you really can't go wrong with the "A Brief History of Ambient" 2CD comps on Virgin. They're up to at least Volume Three, maybe Four now (with 2CDs in each volume) but IMHO Vol. One is the best by far. I stumbled upon this when I was in high school and it opened whole new worlds for me. A lot of the folks people have been namechecking are on Vol. One - both Enos, Tangerine Dream, Froese, Hassell, Czukay, and others. So it's a good starting point for discovering your roots. More inna ambient stylee than idm, but amazing all the same. This never came out on vinyl to my knowledge. Enjoy...Brock PS - Thanx to all for the Carl Craig help, I just got the Elements comp today and am digging it. Different than what I'd expected, but good all the same. Now to find those elusive 69 12"s. ____________________________________ Brock Phillips - bphil@email.unc.edu WXYC 89.3 FM The New Science Experience Tune in every Saturday night 9-12 AM EST http://www.wxyc.com for live RA broadcast Promos, demos, etc. welcome for submission Email for postal address and details...
2000-03-11 06:12AeOtaku@aol.comI would say the Good Old Days of IDM probably started with Kraftwerk and Manuel Gottsching
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I would say the Good Old Days of IDM probably started with Kraftwerk and Manuel Gottsching and ended with the break up of the Black Dog, but they are definitely concentrated from the time of "Strings of Life" and "Night Drive" to the first albums of B12, As One, Black Dog, etc. before their later work. So about 1987-1993. As always I disagree with the Jet Jaguar about music (I don't think we've ever agreed on anything) and I pretty much hate the later material of Kirk, Carl, Plaid, etc. not so much because of the music itself (which doesn't bother me) but the fact that these guys don't make tracks like "Nebula Variation", "How the West Was Won" or "Scoobs In Columbia" anymore. Now I do realize I can't (and have no right) to tell them what to as artists but I still hate their current material. This is true of just about every producer I liked who has "old" material. It seems in these scene nobody gets better: they just get worse. In reality they get more developed and gather moss down the abstract hill, but I prefer the pure techno sound (and think I am not alone). On another note, someone out there with connections and money: there is an extremely lucrative and ethically rewarding market for legitimate reissues. There have been a lot of people e-mailing me lamenting that these tracks we're speaking so highly of aren't available anymore. One person put it best when they said that it sucks to hear about the greatest IDM tracks to know he'll never get the chance to hear them. Hey, anybody in the UK, talk to B12, talk to Kirk, talk to Nuron, talk to Black Dog, get some clearance and make some nice discography CD's of old singles and reissue some albums and comps. On another note, however, in the past year I have seen all of these available (most not more than once or twice): Everything on A.R.T. Everything on B12 Everything on 100% Pure Everything on Ifach Everything from Black Dog / Plaid Everything on Likemind Everything on Void Everything on Otherworld Virtually everything in the old Detroit scene etc. etc. etc. etc. So for those with time and money and dedication, they still go up out there. But obviously there just aren't enough especially for those who haven't heard the tracks and aren't slamming down months of looking and piles of cash.... Matt --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-03-11 22:38marselAt 11-3-00 -0500 01:12, you wrote: >I would say the Good Old Days of IDM probably >started
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At 11-3-00 -0500 01:12, you wrote:
quoted 20 lines I would say the Good Old Days of IDM probably>I would say the Good Old Days of IDM probably >started with Kraftwerk and Manuel Gottsching and >ended with the break up of the Black Dog, but they >are definitely concentrated from the time of "Strings >of Life" and "Night Drive" to the first albums of B12, >As One, Black Dog, etc. before their later work. >So about 1987-1993. As always I disagree with the >Jet Jaguar about music (I don't think we've ever agreed >on anything) and I pretty much hate the later material >of Kirk, Carl, Plaid, etc. not so much because of the music >itself (which doesn't bother me) but the fact that these >guys don't make tracks like "Nebula Variation", "How the >West Was Won" or "Scoobs In Columbia" anymore. Now >I do realize I can't (and have no right) to tell them what to >as artists but I still hate their current material. This is true >of just about every producer I liked who has "old" material. >It seems in these scene nobody gets better: they just get >worse. In reality they get more developed and gather moss >down the abstract hill, but I prefer the pure techno sound (and >think I am not alone).
i think we should respect the things an artist does, and if you don't like their current output, move on to those who you like - and if the current output at all isn't that fine, there's too much old music to explore. that music still moves on, personally i would like to tip nubian mindz, as it got pretty much a string/melancholic sound, and also the aardvarck release got a pretty detroit, urban tribe-like sound - not to forget shake's father ep and the future beat alliance releases last year. otherwise check the stuff by guy called gerald like 'reno' and 4hero's parallel universe album, all with a fine detroit sound and about the music, matter of taste i think - personally i think planetary folklore and message.. are kirk degiorgio finest albums as i agree kirk did some great things as as one, and some very great as future/past - but i got the feeling the music he's putting out, is more up to using all his capabilities the first things called idm were all in the tradition of detroit techno, b12 probably as most easy example. / the things now being called idm are more started by things as aphex twin and autechre below some nice quotes from kirk from an interview (late '96!) / __ http://www.forcefield.org/kirk.html As more artists your sound has enbroaden itself, more jazz and funk influences. Has this to do with this tag 'intelligent techno', a sort identity crisis or just creativism and pure logical progression? "I've been listening to soul and jazz since I was 11 years old and I was DJing by the age of 15 - techno was just another section of Black Dance Music that I liked - and certainly the most obvious for me to make (available technology, open-ended forward thinking music in the jazz spirit)." "If you listen to Reflections - my first album - you will see the beginnings of the use of breaks along with the minimal techno beats and soulful strings - as my music progresses and my studio expands so does my creative capabilities. As long as I keep experimenting and exploring then I'm happy - too many artists stop when they find a commercially viable sound and lose the urge to try out new things." In an article, you wrote 'It seem drum 'n bass has injected some much needed funk & soul back into electronic music'. What are your main influences nowadays, also besides music? "My main influences now are still soul and jazz. Drum n Bass gave the dance scene such much needed energy and vitality after the dirge of too much average ambient-techno. But commercialism has damaged jungle as much as it did techno - only a handful of jungle artists are doing anything outside the mainstream - and there are too many ex-techno artists treating jungle as a gimmick resulting in frantic programming at high bpms but with little or no GROOVE which is what attracted me to jungle in the first place." What's your meaning about the current state of 'techno', worldwide as well in the UK? "Techno worldwide is an embarrassment - its like what disco became at the end of the seventies - tacky, formulated - dominated by big clubs and big name DJs who've had their day - the people who matter have all moved on to different and better things. Detroit will always have an underground to keep the true spirit of techno alive, but good releases are too few to keep me interested. I must be the only so called 'techno' producer in the world to own NO techno records." ||| cheers marsel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-03-11 22:55Christophe McKeonMethinks the good old days of IDM are very old indeed. Perhaps they even predate the 'inve
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Methinks the good old days of IDM are very old indeed. Perhaps they even predate the 'invention' of the musical instrument. Maybe it even predates the dance of grasshoppers, and their little electronic brain waves. Maybe it even predates life on earth, w/ the oscillation of various chemical compounds producing complex patterns (and sounds). The good old days aren't any where to be found. The time frame is a geological one. What does the earth like listening to? Cordially, Professor Challenger marsel wrote:
quoted 88 lines At 11-3-00 -0500 01:12, you wrote:> At 11-3-00 -0500 01:12, you wrote: > >I would say the Good Old Days of IDM probably > >started with Kraftwerk and Manuel Gottsching and > >ended with the break up of the Black Dog, but they > >are definitely concentrated from the time of "Strings > >of Life" and "Night Drive" to the first albums of B12, > >As One, Black Dog, etc. before their later work. > >So about 1987-1993. As always I disagree with the > >Jet Jaguar about music (I don't think we've ever agreed > >on anything) and I pretty much hate the later material > >of Kirk, Carl, Plaid, etc. not so much because of the music > >itself (which doesn't bother me) but the fact that these > >guys don't make tracks like "Nebula Variation", "How the > >West Was Won" or "Scoobs In Columbia" anymore. Now > >I do realize I can't (and have no right) to tell them what to > >as artists but I still hate their current material. This is true > >of just about every producer I liked who has "old" material. > >It seems in these scene nobody gets better: they just get > >worse. In reality they get more developed and gather moss > >down the abstract hill, but I prefer the pure techno sound (and > >think I am not alone). > > i think we should respect the things an artist does, and if you don't like > their current output, move on to those who you like - and if the current > output at all isn't that fine, there's too much old music to explore. that > music still moves on, personally i would like to tip nubian mindz, as it > got pretty much a string/melancholic sound, and also the aardvarck release > got a pretty detroit, urban tribe-like sound - not to forget shake's father > ep and the future beat alliance releases last year. otherwise check the > stuff by guy called gerald like 'reno' and 4hero's parallel universe album, > all with a fine detroit sound > > and about the music, matter of taste i think - personally i think planetary > folklore and message.. are kirk degiorgio finest albums as i agree kirk did > some great things as as one, and some very great as future/past - but i got > the feeling the music he's putting out, is more up to using all his > capabilities > > the first things called idm were all in the tradition of detroit techno, > b12 probably as most easy example. / the things now being called idm are > more started by things as aphex twin and autechre > > below some nice quotes from kirk from an interview (late '96!) / > > __ http://www.forcefield.org/kirk.html > > As more artists your sound has enbroaden itself, more jazz and funk > influences. Has this to do with this tag 'intelligent techno', a sort > identity crisis or just creativism and pure logical progression? > "I've been listening to soul and jazz since I was 11 years old and I was > DJing by the age of 15 - techno was just another section of Black Dance > Music that I liked - and certainly the most obvious for me to make > (available technology, open-ended forward thinking music in the jazz > spirit)." "If you listen to Reflections - my first album - you will see the > beginnings of the use of breaks along with the minimal techno beats and > soulful strings - as my music progresses and my studio expands so does my > creative capabilities. As long as I keep experimenting and exploring then > I'm happy - too many artists stop when they find a commercially viable > sound and lose the urge to try out new things." > > In an article, you wrote 'It seem drum 'n bass has injected some much > needed funk & soul back into electronic music'. What are your main > influences nowadays, also besides music? > "My main influences now are still soul and jazz. Drum n Bass gave the dance > scene such much needed energy and vitality after the dirge of too much > average ambient-techno. But commercialism has damaged jungle as much as it > did techno - only a handful of jungle artists are doing anything outside > the mainstream - and there are too many ex-techno artists treating jungle > as a gimmick resulting in frantic programming at high bpms but with little > or no GROOVE which is what attracted me to jungle in the first place." > > What's your meaning about the current state of 'techno', worldwide as well > in the UK? > "Techno worldwide is an embarrassment - its like what disco became at the > end of the seventies - tacky, formulated - dominated by big clubs and big > name DJs who've had their day - the people who matter have all moved on to > different and better things. Detroit will always have an underground to > keep the true spirit of techno alive, but good releases are too few to keep > me interested. I must be the only so called 'techno' producer in the world > to own NO techno records." > ||| > > cheers > marsel > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2000-03-14 13:49Adam J WeitzmanIf I had to delineate when the "good old days" of IDM were, then I would have to say that
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If I had to delineate when the "good old days" of IDM were, then I would have to say that it was definitely when people's replies automatically went to their intended recipients and not to the list. Man, I miss the good old days. They seem so long ago... NP: Coh - Vox Tinnitus (this is extremely cool) -- Adam J Weitzman, NewsEdge Corp. http://www.newsedge.com - http://www.individual.com "Humor is the best way of dealing with complete and utter nonsense." - John Lydon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org