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marsel
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Sat, 11 Mar 2000 23:38:17 +0100
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Re: (idm) The Good Old Days (Quantified)
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At 11-3-00 -0500 01:12, you wrote:
quoted 20 lines I would say the Good Old Days of IDM probably>I would say the Good Old Days of IDM probably >started with Kraftwerk and Manuel Gottsching and >ended with the break up of the Black Dog, but they >are definitely concentrated from the time of "Strings >of Life" and "Night Drive" to the first albums of B12, >As One, Black Dog, etc. before their later work. >So about 1987-1993. As always I disagree with the >Jet Jaguar about music (I don't think we've ever agreed >on anything) and I pretty much hate the later material >of Kirk, Carl, Plaid, etc. not so much because of the music >itself (which doesn't bother me) but the fact that these >guys don't make tracks like "Nebula Variation", "How the >West Was Won" or "Scoobs In Columbia" anymore. Now >I do realize I can't (and have no right) to tell them what to >as artists but I still hate their current material. This is true >of just about every producer I liked who has "old" material. >It seems in these scene nobody gets better: they just get >worse. In reality they get more developed and gather moss >down the abstract hill, but I prefer the pure techno sound (and >think I am not alone).
i think we should respect the things an artist does, and if you don't like their current output, move on to those who you like - and if the current output at all isn't that fine, there's too much old music to explore. that music still moves on, personally i would like to tip nubian mindz, as it got pretty much a string/melancholic sound, and also the aardvarck release got a pretty detroit, urban tribe-like sound - not to forget shake's father ep and the future beat alliance releases last year. otherwise check the stuff by guy called gerald like 'reno' and 4hero's parallel universe album, all with a fine detroit sound and about the music, matter of taste i think - personally i think planetary folklore and message.. are kirk degiorgio finest albums as i agree kirk did some great things as as one, and some very great as future/past - but i got the feeling the music he's putting out, is more up to using all his capabilities the first things called idm were all in the tradition of detroit techno, b12 probably as most easy example. / the things now being called idm are more started by things as aphex twin and autechre below some nice quotes from kirk from an interview (late '96!) / __ http://www.forcefield.org/kirk.html As more artists your sound has enbroaden itself, more jazz and funk influences. Has this to do with this tag 'intelligent techno', a sort identity crisis or just creativism and pure logical progression? "I've been listening to soul and jazz since I was 11 years old and I was DJing by the age of 15 - techno was just another section of Black Dance Music that I liked - and certainly the most obvious for me to make (available technology, open-ended forward thinking music in the jazz spirit)." "If you listen to Reflections - my first album - you will see the beginnings of the use of breaks along with the minimal techno beats and soulful strings - as my music progresses and my studio expands so does my creative capabilities. As long as I keep experimenting and exploring then I'm happy - too many artists stop when they find a commercially viable sound and lose the urge to try out new things." In an article, you wrote 'It seem drum 'n bass has injected some much needed funk & soul back into electronic music'. What are your main influences nowadays, also besides music? "My main influences now are still soul and jazz. Drum n Bass gave the dance scene such much needed energy and vitality after the dirge of too much average ambient-techno. But commercialism has damaged jungle as much as it did techno - only a handful of jungle artists are doing anything outside the mainstream - and there are too many ex-techno artists treating jungle as a gimmick resulting in frantic programming at high bpms but with little or no GROOVE which is what attracted me to jungle in the first place." What's your meaning about the current state of 'techno', worldwide as well in the UK? "Techno worldwide is an embarrassment - its like what disco became at the end of the seventies - tacky, formulated - dominated by big clubs and big name DJs who've had their day - the people who matter have all moved on to different and better things. Detroit will always have an underground to keep the true spirit of techno alive, but good releases are too few to keep me interested. I must be the only so called 'techno' producer in the world to own NO techno records." ||| cheers marsel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org