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1997-12-01 07:34Peter Hollo (idm) Arcon 2; and identity of Transglobal Underground/PWEI sample
└─ 1997-12-01 11:15Nate Harrison \[Toshok Laboratories\] Re: (idm) Arcon 2 and other reviews
└─ 1997-12-01 21:01Greg Clow Re: (idm) Arcon 2 and other reviews
1997-12-01 21:13Re: (idm) Arcon 2 and other reviews
└─ 1997-12-01 23:24Aran M. Parillo (idm) in-digestion (was: Arcon 2 and other reviews)
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1997-12-01 07:34Peter HolloOK, I'm getting a little bored here... How about a few reviews? Everyone seems to buy new
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OK, I'm getting a little bored here... How about a few reviews? Everyone seems to buy new CDs/12s every week, so could we have a slightly extended opinion on some of them? Yes, there have been some great reviews recently, but reviews and release info is what I've been on this list for for the past year and a half (or so)... So, I'd love to know what people thought of the new Arcon 2 album. Comparison's to Noel Ram/Leon Mar's work as Oil? General thoughts? It was given a fantastic review in the Wire mag for November. I'm still waiting for my order to come through (for some reason Modern Music are being particularly incommunicative to me, but hey I still love 'em (for now)) and in the meantime I'd love to read about it :) Thanks, Peter. np: a jungly groove I'm putting together with Sound Forge. P.S. This groove uses a drum sample from Transglobal Underground's remix album "International Times". It's used in the Youth remix of Temple Head (Burundi mix) appearing 2:41 into the track. It's also used in the Pop Will Eat Itself song "Harry Dean Stanton". In the PWEI track it's mixed in with other stuff, whilst in the TGU track it's just there, bare (that's where I sampled it from), and as the PWEI track came out earlier I presume the original sample is from somewhere else. Can anyone identify this sample for me? I will probably use it in something I will want to release at some stage, so I'll need to know. P.P.S. I'd love to hear what people think of my piece but at 14 Meg it's a bit big to put on the Web. I'd like to encode it as an mp3 but mpeg Encoder doesn't work for me. Can anyone help me there? Should I use something else? Thanks! -- Peter Hollo raven@cia.com.au http://www.cia.com.au/raven/ "Of course, dance music can be a music where you lie on your back and your brain cells dance" -Michael Karoli of Can, quoted in Wire mag. What's wrong with Mcdonald's? http://www.McSpotlight.org/
1997-12-01 11:15Nate Harrison \[Toshok Laboratories\]And now to some reviews of stuff I've bought recently: Arcon 2 (Reinforced)- Oh my. I do b
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And now to some reviews of stuff I've bought recently: Arcon 2 (Reinforced)- Oh my. I do believe I have come across a truly killer drumnbass record here. A nice blend of tech-steppish grooves and jump-up stuff, the drum programming on this one is straight up ferocious. It's no secret that Leon Marr (who is this guy anyway?) hangs with Mark and Dego, as the style is similar to 4Hero stuff. There are some nice contrasts within the tracks (what I look for in dnb), as underneath the hectic programming lies some eerie and not cliche ambient atmospherics. There are even a few down tempo and total ambient tracks thrown in for good measure. A great release for the headphones as well as the club, this one will throw you for a loop in that just when you though you 'heard it all' with techstep, here comes Arcon 2. If you liked Boymerang, you'll love this, and if you thought Boymerang was a little, for lack of a better word, underdeveloped, I think you find this record to your liking. I would definitely get this release. For some weird reason, they numbered the tracks 2-14, where did no. 1 go? Dark Magus 'Night Watchmen' (Alphaphone)- Mr. Richard H. Kirk spits out yet another record on his newer Alphaphone label. Continuing where the last Sandoz record left off (This would be 'God Bless The Conspircay'), RHK downplays his obsession with uptempo aggressive tech-house in favor of more moody, thicker, 'tech-funk'. He's still using the 1 and 2 bar loop layer after layer, but for some reason that's why I really like his stuff, because for the most part, no one nowadays is really doing simple sequencing like this (perhaps it is seen as passe). The samples are a little more left of center, (like bits of dialogue that are looped) which remind me of Cabaret Voltaire of old. This record if a bit repititive (hey if you don't dig the repitition you probably don't pay much attention to RHK anyway) has some nice quirks that I can only describe as the Kirk sound. If you're a fan, buy buy buy, but I also recommend this if you have been previously turned off by RHK's 4ttf tech-house endeavors. As One 'Planetary Folklore' (Mo Wax) A couple of people have already given some good reviews of this release, and for the most part, I agree. Kirk Degiorgio comes very close to severing any ties he had with the word 'techno' with this release. A unique hybrid album of electronics, jazz and soul, it's surprisingly mid to uptempo. There are certainly no dnb tracks, but the drums do get funky and pumping. Degiorgio also applies the cut up technique, taken from dnb, to his drum loops, so that they sound almost 'live'. I find it interesting that it seems there is a trend in drum progrmming aesthetic these days that attempts to mimick live drums, like say Squarepusher, or perhaps the new 4Hero EP, or maybe Steve Pickton's latest stuff, or Plantary Folklore. I like it, because just when you have fallen into a groove, the artist will throw out a burst of snares or cymbals that clearly remind you *this is being electronically manipulated*. Drums however are not the only thing going on in this record, there's a vocal track (by a *male* singer even!) and what sound like real live instuments. If you are into jazz and are looking for a new twist on the whole electronica saga, get this. My only complaint: too short. Clocking in at just over 50minutes, by the times you are really chillin' to this record, it ends. Oh well... Hope that helps some of you- peace Nate
1997-12-01 21:01Greg ClowOn Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Nate Harrison [Toshok Laboratories] wrote: > Arcon 2 (Reinforced)- > [
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On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Nate Harrison [Toshok Laboratories] wrote:
quoted 3 lines Arcon 2 (Reinforced)-> Arcon 2 (Reinforced)- > [ review snipped ] > For some weird reason, they numbered the tracks 2-14, where did no. 1 go?
I dunno, but it pisses me off to no end 'cause the CD-ROM drive on my computer at work (where I listen to most of my music) can't read the disc properly due to the weird tracking. Grrrrr. Greg
1997-12-01 21:13Martin_Burbridge@3com.com>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:15:16 +0000 () From: "Nate Harrison \[Toshok Laboratories\]"
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Degiorgio also applies the cut up technique, taken from dnb, to his drum loops, so that they sound almost 'live'. I find it interesting that it seems there is a trend in drum progrmming aesthetic these days that attempts to mimick live drums, like say Squarepusher, or perhaps the new 4Hero EP, or maybe Steve Pickton's latest stuff, or Plantary Folklore. I like it, because just when you have fallen into a groove, the artist will throw out a burst of snares or cymbals that clearly remind you *this is being electronically manipulated*. <<< i have been listening to this record quite a bit and definately enjoying it. this description of the drums sounding live w/ reminders of electronic manipulation is pretty spot-on. taking it further it is almost as if degiorgio has attempted to re-construct a mid-late '60's jazz sound w/ max roach (from a quick scan of the sleevenotes there was a definate name-check here, tho' i didn't delve into detail or context - sorry don't have it to hand fact-checkers) and pharoah sanders, and give it an ever so slight modern electronic edge. and here lies the niggle. why? i'm not convinced that what was revolutionary 30 years past can be much more than entertaining if reproduced today as an original work. and it is, entertaining that is and very well put together, oozing meticulous skill. but i can't see it causing an upset on the scale of ancestors like davis, sanders, coltrane..., or even contempories like squarepusher and the d*ill'n'b**s hordes. a bit of a puzzler really. -martin -btw- the digest #1369 i recieved consisted of - ??, and i'm quoting it in its entirety here. did the list server commit suicide as a result of the "what is idm" erm, discussion? did artificial intelligence advance to the point where software can now not only feel emotion but react to bleak despair? off list replies welcome. np squarepusher/burningn'n tree (now there's clarity and functional design. all the tracks are listed on both the box and the disc. my cd player even shows them on the display;-)
1997-12-01 23:24Aran M. ParilloOn Mon, 1 Dec 1997 Martin_Burbridge@3com.com wrote: > -btw- > the digest #1369 i recieved
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On Mon, 1 Dec 1997 Martin_Burbridge@3com.com wrote:
quoted 5 lines -btw-> -btw- > the digest #1369 i recieved consisted of - ??, and i'm quoting it in its > entirety here. did the list server commit suicide as a result of the "what > is idm" erm, discussion? did artificial intelligence advance to the point > where software can now not only feel emotion but react to bleak despair?
:-) Hehehehe, thanks for the laff. Although I cannot comment on the content (or lack thereof) I can attest that my #1369 digest is in order. I can fwd it to you or any others who need. I cannot find anything strange about the digest, it's an average size etc. I noticed it was the first digest in December? reBTW: I might urge people *not* to tuck admin items away in BTW/PS's etc, as I often blow through a crowded inbox like Mills goes through his crates and may miss your important note(s). (read: if it's important, feel free to mail me directly @ aran@hyperreal.org) However it arrives though, I do appreciate people taking the time to point out when things go awry! Thankily, Teep Flanders IDM-owner