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2000-03-09 08:45dwane (idm) Your sentimental talk about gear fucks the G.U.I
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2000-03-09 08:45dwaneI have never used hardware. When i saw rebirth, i wondered why it had to work as the origi
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I have never used hardware. When i saw rebirth, i wondered why it had to work as the original stuff seems to work. Since then ive learned more about Graphical User Interface -GUI -how stuff in a computer look and work basically, but still wonder why music software have to look like music hardware. Theres thousands of ways to graphically represent a sound being manipulated.. and the manufacturer chooses.... a knob. " just like the real thing" BUT I DONT WANT THE REAL THING. After reading you guys promoting mostly sentimental reasons for using hardware, Ive learned why.. its all your fault. youve scared the software industry into believing musicsoftware HAVE TO look like an instrument or physical objects because these musicians love their instruments so dearly, and think the computer is "less africa" , "you cant work with your HANDS!" etc.. Im sick and tired of softsynths in 3d, with chunky knobs. This isnt the best soloution for working with sound, and thats why so many on this list complains over working with a keyboard and a mouse...no shit, the manufacturer is selling you a piece of psuedohardware! -software have to be produced to be well working software and nothing else. _Dwane --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-03-09 10:39foam beeI don't know whether or not to agree or disagree. The reason I love my synth so much isn't
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I don't know whether or not to agree or disagree. The reason I love my synth so much isn't really anything sentimental. I was just kidding really. But it's better than anything I know. If there was a softsynth that was half as good as my hardware synth, I'd be more than happy to use it. I have a number of soft synths and things like that, and i think they're shit compared to the real thing. Plus I really hate sequencing. I have yet to find a way to actually get a real sounding song out of just my computer. ReBirth is nice, and it got me into making music, but it's so limitied by what your computer can do and you can't really do much with it outside of rebirth. same with Surreal. It makes a bunch of cool sounds using a midi controller, but what the hell is that gonna do? I will say, that if Propellerheads' Reason is as good as it looks, I'm going to buy it.... twice. And eventually I'll sell my JP, if i like reason enough. But until then, I'm sticking with my hardware. example: I own a roland R8. I also own Fruity Loops. I find FL to be 100 times better than any drum machine, just because it can do so much. But I can't seem to find a real soft synth that sounds like I want it to, and does what I want it to do. PS. The only people that prefer software over hardware are the one's that don't own any hardware. I'd like to have a real 303 over rebirth. any day. I'm tired. foambee@splink.com http://www.splink.com/punkrag/bzrec/ (my record label) http://www.splink.com/punkrag/crtrader/ (cdr/mp3 trading) ----- Original Message ----- From: dwane <dwane@chello.se> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 1:45 AM Subject: (idm) Your sentimental talk about gear fucks the G.U.I
quoted 2 lines I have never used hardware. When i saw rebirth, i wondered why it had to> I have never used hardware. When i saw rebirth, i wondered why it had to > work as the original stuff seems to work. Since then ive learned more
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quoted 4 lines Graphical User Interface -GUI -how stuff in a computer look and work> Graphical User Interface -GUI -how stuff in a computer look and work > basically, but still wonder why music software have to look like music > hardware. Theres thousands of ways to graphically represent a sound being > manipulated.. and the manufacturer chooses.... a knob. " just like the
real
quoted 3 lines thing" BUT I DONT WANT THE REAL THING. After reading you guys promoting> thing" BUT I DONT WANT THE REAL THING. After reading you guys promoting > mostly sentimental reasons for using hardware, Ive learned why.. its all > your fault. youve scared the software industry into believing
musicsoftware
quoted 1 line HAVE TO look like an instrument or physical objects because these> HAVE TO look like an instrument or physical objects because these
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quoted 1 line love their instruments so dearly, and think the computer is "less africa"> love their instruments so dearly, and think the computer is "less africa"
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quoted 2 lines "you cant work with your HANDS!" etc.. Im sick and tired of softsynths in> "you cant work with your HANDS!" etc.. Im sick and tired of softsynths in > 3d, with chunky knobs. This isnt the best soloution for working with
sound,
quoted 10 lines and thats why so many on this list complains over working with a keyboard> and thats why so many on this list complains over working with a keyboard > and a mouse...no shit, the manufacturer is selling you a piece of > psuedohardware! -software have to be produced to be well working software > and nothing else. > _Dwane > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2000-03-09 17:13PjotrDid you try hooking up Reaktor to Rebirth and using LM-4 as a drummachine? If you see what
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Did you try hooking up Reaktor to Rebirth and using LM-4 as a drummachine? If you see what is possible with Reaktor, even without really knowing all the ins and outs of the program I find it hard to believe any single hardware synth (which is usually a lot more expensive) can compete! Only downpart is you need a hefty computer to run it, but buying a computer is a much more 'lucrative' investment than buying a synth, because you can do so much more with it (anybody for Unreal Tournament? ;) and since there is a stupendous amount of sotware nowadays (just look through a copy of Computer Music, that English mag about music, and you'll see what I mean!).
quoted 91 lines -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: foam bee [mailto:foambee@splink.com] > Verzonden: donderdag 9 maart 2000 11:40 > Aan: idm@hyperreal.org > Onderwerp: Re: (idm) Your sentimental talk about gear fucks the G.U.I > > > I don't know whether or not to agree or disagree. The reason I love my > synth so much isn't really anything sentimental. I was just > kidding really. > But it's better than anything I know. If there was a softsynth > that was half > as good as my hardware synth, I'd be more than happy to use it. I have a > number of soft synths and things like that, and i think they're shit > compared to the real thing. Plus I really hate sequencing. I have yet to > find a way to actually get a real sounding song out of just my computer. > ReBirth is nice, and it got me into making music, but it's so limitied by > what your computer can do and you can't really do much with it outside of > rebirth. same with Surreal. It makes a bunch of cool sounds using a midi > controller, but what the hell is that gonna do? I will say, that if > Propellerheads' Reason is as good as it looks, I'm going to buy it.... > twice. And eventually I'll sell my JP, if i like reason enough. > But until > then, I'm sticking with my hardware. > > example: I own a roland R8. I also own Fruity Loops. I find FL > to be 100 > times better than any drum machine, just because it can do so much. But I > can't seem to find a real soft synth that sounds like I want it > to, and does > what I want it to do. > > PS. The only people that prefer software over hardware are the one's that > don't own any hardware. I'd like to have a real 303 over > rebirth. any day. > > I'm tired. > > foambee@splink.com > http://www.splink.com/punkrag/bzrec/ (my record label) > http://www.splink.com/punkrag/crtrader/ (cdr/mp3 trading) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: dwane <dwane@chello.se> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 1:45 AM > Subject: (idm) Your sentimental talk about gear fucks the G.U.I > > > > I have never used hardware. When i saw rebirth, i wondered why it had to > > work as the original stuff seems to work. Since then ive learned more > about > > Graphical User Interface -GUI -how stuff in a computer look and work > > basically, but still wonder why music software have to look like music > > hardware. Theres thousands of ways to graphically represent a > sound being > > manipulated.. and the manufacturer chooses.... a knob. " just like the > real > > thing" BUT I DONT WANT THE REAL THING. After reading you guys promoting > > mostly sentimental reasons for using hardware, Ive learned > why.. its all > > your fault. youve scared the software industry into believing > musicsoftware > > HAVE TO look like an instrument or physical objects because these > musicians > > love their instruments so dearly, and think the computer is > "less africa" > , > > "you cant work with your HANDS!" etc.. Im sick and tired of > softsynths in > > 3d, with chunky knobs. This isnt the best soloution for working with > sound, > > and thats why so many on this list complains over working with > a keyboard > > and a mouse...no shit, the manufacturer is selling you a piece of > > psuedohardware! -software have to be produced to be well > working software > > and nothing else. > > _Dwane > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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