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quoted 2 lines Yep, standard hip-hop battle DJ style. No time to find a beat by listening

>Yep, standard hip-hop battle DJ style. No time to find a beat by listening >for it...

Plus, you can do nifty things with tape like get a bass loop going by making the record skip over the tape and get back into the same groove. Then you can play bass by messing with the speed controls. The best part of Battle Sounds was the explanations of all the different styles of scratches and stuff. Plus Q-Bert explaining how he's "Just a big biter" of everybody else's tricks. Oh, and the guy who won competitions because he was able to play "Mary has a little Lamb" with the pitch control. He then graduated to Led Zep's Ironman—now that's *quality* djing ;-). Or the guy who won DMC by doing a handspin on the turntable... Forget it-just see the damn movie. Any info on availability to the general public?

KaisrSolze wrote:

quoted 2 lines He then graduated to Led Zep's

> He then graduated to Led Zep's > Ironman—

Are you joking? -mc

At 08:52 PM 11/7/97 -0500, Matt Cuttler wrote:

quoted 4 lines He then graduated to Led Zep's

>> He then graduated to Led Zep's >> Ironman— > >Are you joking?

1. What's your point? 2. Didn't Black Sabbath write Iron Man? Either way, this is pointless. ObIDM: That new Vampyros remix CD on Crippled Dick Hot Wax is currently only available on the german imprint. While, CDHW has just opened a US office, they've currently only just released Schoolgirl Report CD/LP, and have no plans at the moment to release the Vampyros Lesbos remix album. Of course I could be completely wrong. Aaron np: kumo (airbag) ------------------------------------------------------ bleepbloop is online at http://tracie.res.cmu.edu bleepbloop radio every tuesday from 4-6am (EST) WRCT Pittsburgh, 88.3FM listen on the web at http://www.wrct.org

bleepbloop wrote:

quoted 9 lines At 08:52 PM 11/7/97 -0500, Matt Cuttler wrote:

> At 08:52 PM 11/7/97 -0500, Matt Cuttler wrote: > > >> He then graduated to Led Zep's > >> Ironman— > > > >Are you joking? > > 1. What's your point? >

My point is that to be able to appreciate music today, you should be able to appreciate the past as well... Anyone in their right mind should know that Led Zep did not do Ironman... It's essential.

quoted 2 lines 2. Didn't Black Sabbath write Iron Man?

> 2. Didn't Black Sabbath write Iron Man? >

Yes. -mc

quoted 14 lines bleepbloop wrote:

> bleepbloop wrote: > > > At 08:52 PM 11/7/97 -0500, Matt Cuttler wrote: > > > > >> He then graduated to Led Zep's > > >> Ironman— > > > > > >Are you joking? > > > > 1. What's your point? > > > > My point is that to be able to appreciate music today, you should be > able to appreciate the past as well...

Your point is total bollocks. "I appeal to the young. Only they should listen, and only they can understand what I have to say. I appeal to the young, to those who are thirsty for the new, the actual, the lively. " Balilla Pratella

quoted 2 lines Anyone in their right mind should

> Anyone in their right mind should > know that Led Zep did not do Ironman... It's essential.

Who is Led Zep ? I tought I know much about techno/electronica, and I didnn't hear of Led Zep ? On Which label is he released ?

quoted 4 lines 2. Didn't Black Sabbath write Iron Man?

> > 2. Didn't Black Sabbath write Iron Man? > > > > Yes.

Who is Black Sabbath ? Where is he releasing, on which labels ? respect Rob

robert.merlak@ri.tel.hr wrote:

quoted 18 lines Matt Cuttler wrote:

> > Matt Cuttler wrote: > > > > My point is that to be able to appreciate music today, you should be > > able to appreciate the past as well... > > Your point is total bollocks. > > "I appeal to the young. Only they should listen, and only they can > understand what I have to say. I appeal to the young, to those > who are thirsty for the new, the actual, the lively. " > > Balilla Pratella > > Who is Led Zep ? I tought I know much about techno/electronica, and I > didnn't hear of Led Zep ? On Which label is he released ? > > Who is Black Sabbath ? Where is he releasing, on which labels ?

You say "total bollocks". But "total" is such an absolute term. How can you be so sure that the Zeps and the Sabs don't assist in the appreciation of modern music if you don't know who they are. :-) I for example appreciate just how crap the Sabs are and it helps me appreciate just how lucky I am not to have been born 20 years earlier than I was. :-) -- Q-Force qforce@holon.net http://www.holon.net/qforce/

On 8 Nov 97, Q-Force wrote: Re: (idm) Kid Koala is a lesbian:

quoted 3 lines I for example appreciate just how crap the Sabs are and it helps me

> I for example appreciate just how crap the Sabs are and it helps me > appreciate just how lucky I am not to have been born 20 years > earlier than I was. :-)

Look - I'm glad you put the smiley, so I don't know for sure how serious your statement is, but I for one was born 20 years earlier (than somebody who's 20 years younger than me, I guess) and having grown up with LSD inspired music, witnessed prog rock, seen the emergence of ambient and experimental techno way back, I can only say this has been a worthwhile, constantly evolving and growing experience, rather than just falling into the deep end head first. Can you guys who sign off with words like "respect" actually begin to understand the meaning of "respect" ? Every new genre uses building blocks of what's come before them. So spending the odd hour listening to 'classics' can do no harm and you can bet your bottom dollar that those who are making the music we are listening to, have also drawn from their predecessors' body of work. Just listen to the samples - where are some of them coming from? Aphex Twin, in his current Top 10, lists Erik Satie's "Gymnopedies" - go on, find it, hear it, understand it and increase and deepen your own enjoyment of music. I mean : hello hello... how many of you know that Messrs. Page & Plant (aka. Led Zeppelin) had a monster of a hit with a track titled "Black Dog" ? Not relevant to IDM? Do we ever discuss Black Dog around here? Co-incidence? Maybe... Mutter mutter, mumble mumble. G'bye from the African jungle... I * "Incomplete without surface noise" - Autechre

quoted 21 lines My point is that to be able to appreciate music today, you should be

> > > My point is that to be able to appreciate music today, you should be > > > able to appreciate the past as well... > > > > > > > > Your point is total bollocks. > > > > "I appeal to the young. Only they should listen, and only they can > > understand what I have to say. I appeal to the young, to those > > who are thirsty for the new, the actual, the lively. " > > > > Balilla Pratella > > > > Who is Led Zep ? I tought I know much about techno/electronica, and I > > didnn't hear of Led Zep ? On Which label is he released ? > > > > Who is Black Sabbath ? Where is he releasing, on which labels ? > > You say "total bollocks". But "total" is such an absolute term. How > can you be so sure that the Zeps and the Sabs don't assist in the > appreciation of modern music if you don't know who they are. :-)

I didn't say that.You'd better read my mail from the beginning to the end. I just said that I don't give a fuck about music of past. I listen to the music of my generation. And I don't agree with statement on the top of this mail. It's one of the worst statements I've ever heard in my entire life. I still cannot believe I heard it on IDM. And I just wanted some info on Led Zep and Black Sabbath, and I get flamed. What kind of shit is this ? total & absolute respect Rob

At 01:52 PM 11/8/97 +0100, robert.merlak@ri.tel.hr wrote:

quoted 12 lines I didn't say that.You'd better read my mail from the beginning to the end.

> >I didn't say that.You'd better read my mail from the beginning to the end. >I just said that I don't give a fuck about music of past. I listen to >the music of my generation. And I don't agree with statement on >the top of this mail. It's one of the worst statements I've ever >heard in my entire life. I still cannot believe I heard it on IDM. >And I just wanted some info on Led Zep and Black Sabbath, >and I get flamed. What kind of shit is this ? > > >total & absolute respect >Rob

that's pretty ignorant there. so you've never listened to beethoven? debussey? mozart? hey.. you've never heard kraftwerk? pink floyd? all these i'd consider "music of the past" (well.. the good pink floyd anyway) and you've quickly scorned all of them (along with a score of brilliant musicians/composers) with the statement "i don't give a fuck about music of the past". think before you speak, grasshopper. ------------------------------------------------- wells oliver : s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu "perhaps all pleasure is relief" : w.s.b. -------------------------------------------------

At 1:52 PM +0100 8.11.97, some wirehead wrote:

quoted 2 lines Who is Led Zep ? I tought I know much about techno/electronica, and I

>> > Who is Led Zep ? I tought I know much about techno/electronica, and I >> > didn't hear of Led Zep ? On Which label is he released ?

I believe "Led Zep" is the name of a series of relatively inexpensive drum-loop sample CDs. For some reason, these CDs have annoying "electric guitar" (archaic instrument of the mid 20th century, in case you were wondering, named after Carmen Electra, a name you thought you'd never hear mentioned on the IDM list, and you were right) samples - well, they must be samples, because nobody knows anymore how to play of these things, at least that's what the history book said - so it's difficult to get a clean loop of drums at times. This is undoubtedly why the series is featured at a budget price, remarkably close to the price of normal real music (that is, techno) CDs. Best dishes, 3

quoted 12 lines Let me see, I think I really don't give a fuck about

> Let me see, I think I really don't give a fuck about > music of the past ! I'd rather listen to something from > the future, but unfortunately I can't. So, I am stuck > here to listen the music from today. But I'm not > complaining, there is so much great stuff that > hits the shops everyday. So even if I'd like to hear > something from the past I really wouldn't have time. > > no hard feelings > respect > Rob >

like, i suppose, many idmers, i'm trying to figure out if you're just goofing all of us or if you really believe this. so, a question: can you define the "today" in "the music from today"? which is to say, if you like something that's new today, at what point do you have to stop listening to it because it's become the music of the past? in five years? a year? a month? is it your belief that the music you love now will be of no interest five years from now? that sure doesn't jibe with my experience. i've been buying recorsds for 20 years, and while there are certain artists/genres/records i don't value as much as i once did, there are plenty i do. oliver messiaen's "quartet for the end of time," steve reich's "music for 18 musicians," the second movement of beethoven's seventh symphony, al green's "call me," eno and byrne's "my life in the bush of ghosts," ornette coleman's "this is our music!", cecil taylor's "unit structures," franco&rocherau's "omona wapti," e. koestyara and group gapura's "sangkala," captain beefheart's "bat chain puller," public enemy's "it takes a nation of millions," and yeah, some choice led zap still rock my world 10/15/20 years after i first heard them. (and in many of them -- even zep![at times] -- you can hear close cousins and distant ancestors of idm.) my life would be immeasurably poorer without them, and tho in 1997 i get a real specific buzz from electronic music -- nothing else sounds so much like the sound of RIGHT NOW, and yeah, i dig that frisson -- i'm only rarely struck deaf to the sounds of yesterday that, to my ear/mind, are, inarguably timeless in their appeal. when i read some idm'er trashing everything that came out before aphex twin (or do you draw the line at autechre or mouse on mars? i can't keep up with you kids today) i feel as sorry for him/her as i do for all my old indie-rock or jazzbo buddies who don't hear what's great about oval, seefeel, porter ricks and 4hero. with pity and annoyance (and the grudging respect that everyone on this list earns for refusing the narrow musical confines mainstream culture offers us), jeff

led zepplin & black sabbath are music of the 70's (guitar rock). they have nothing to do with idm... whatever. though i think that music of today would have not happened if the music of the past never existed. scott

quoted 6 lines From: robert.merlak@ri.tel.hr

>From: robert.merlak@ri.tel.hr >To: "IDM" <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: (idm) Kid Koala is a lesbian >Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:52:42 +0100 > >> > > My point is that to be able to appreciate music today, you should

be

quoted 13 lines able to appreciate the past as well...

>> > > able to appreciate the past as well... >> > >> > >> > >> > Your point is total bollocks. >> > >> > "I appeal to the young. Only they should listen, and only they can >> > understand what I have to say. I appeal to the young, to those >> > who are thirsty for the new, the actual, the lively. " >> > >> > Balilla Pratella >> > >> > Who is Led Zep ? I tought I know much about techno/electronica, and

I

quoted 9 lines didnn't hear of Led Zep ? On Which label is he released ?

>> > didnn't hear of Led Zep ? On Which label is he released ? >> > >> > Who is Black Sabbath ? Where is he releasing, on which labels ? >> >> You say "total bollocks". But "total" is such an absolute term. How >> can you be so sure that the Zeps and the Sabs don't assist in the >> appreciation of modern music if you don't know who they are. :-) > >I didn't say that.You'd better read my mail from the beginning to the

end.

quoted 11 lines I just said that I don't give a fuck about music of past. I listen to

>I just said that I don't give a fuck about music of past. I listen to >the music of my generation. And I don't agree with statement on >the top of this mail. It's one of the worst statements I've ever >heard in my entire life. I still cannot believe I heard it on IDM. >And I just wanted some info on Led Zep and Black Sabbath, >and I get flamed. What kind of shit is this ? > > >total & absolute respect >Rob >

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quoted 2 lines led zepplin & black sabbath are music of the 70's (guitar rock). they

>led zepplin & black sabbath are music of the 70's (guitar rock). they >have nothing to do with idm... whatever.

"Both [Marshall] Jefferson's enthusiasm for Black Sabbath and [Larry] Heard's idolisation of progressive rock drummer [Neil] Peart [of Rush] were bemusing at the time. According to stereotypical divisions of taste by skin colour and culture, black musicians were supposed to be listening to soul." - David Toop, 'Ocean of Sound' C. -- Chris.Hilker (cspot@hyperreal.org) "Sex is the darndest nougat murder, something something e-mail something something la la la la beable beable trousers and dingaling nougat..."

quoted 2 lines that's pretty ignorant there. so you've never listened to beethoven?

> that's pretty ignorant there. so you've never listened to beethoven? > debussey? mozart? hey.. you've never heard kraftwerk? pink floyd?

Yes I heard of them, but I've never heard their music.

quoted 6 lines all these i'd consider "music of the past" (well.. the good pink floyd

> all these i'd consider "music of the past" (well.. the good pink floyd > anyway) and you've quickly scorned all of them (along with a score of > brilliant musicians/composers) with the statement "i don't give a fuck > about music of the past". > > think before you speak, grasshopper.

Let me see, I think I really don't give a fuck about music of the past ! I'd rather listen to something from the future, but unfortunately I can't. So, I am stuck here to listen the music from today. But I'm not complaining, there is so much great stuff that hits the shops everyday. So even if I'd like to hear something from the past I really wouldn't have time. no hard feelings respect Rob np : objective : crash (v/vm0002)

On Sat, 8 Nov 1997 robert.merlak@ri.tel.hr wrote:

quoted 4 lines that's pretty ignorant there. so you've never listened to beethoven?

> > that's pretty ignorant there. so you've never listened to beethoven? > > debussey? mozart? hey.. you've never heard kraftwerk? pink floyd? > > Yes I heard of them, but I've never heard their music.

OK, I can forgive the ignorance of classical music - at Rob's age, I couldn't give a shit about it either. (Actually, I still don't care for much of it.) And I can forgive the ignorance of Floyd, although in regards to the early stuff, I think Rob is missing out on some very cool sounds. But to be as big a fan of IDM as Rob seems to be (I've seen a list of his record collection, it's fairly impressive) and he's NEVER HEARD KRAFTWERK??!??? Sorry, that just hurts my head.

quoted 2 lines Let me see, I think I really don't give a fuck about

> Let me see, I think I really don't give a fuck about > music of the past !

No disrespect or ageism intended, but someday you will, kid. :-) After all, it isn't long before the music of today becomes the music of the past... Greg

robert.merlak@ri.tel.hr wrote:

quoted 6 lines that's pretty ignorant there. so you've never listened to beethoven?

> > that's pretty ignorant there. so you've never listened to beethoven? > > > debussey? mozart? hey.. you've never heard kraftwerk? pink floyd? > > Yes I heard of them, but I've never heard their music. > <snip>

quoted 2 lines Let me see, I think I really don't give a fuck about

> Let me see, I think I really don't give a fuck about > music of the past ! <snip>

then youre missing out on so much.... do yourself a favourand buy some kraftwerk... im not being arrogant, i just dont know anyone who doesnt like (or to be precise *love*) one album or another of kraftwerk. buy the computer world cd and shiver when the chords come in on 'Computer world II'. Steve /k/./F/

quoted 9 lines that's pretty ignorant there. so you've never listened to

> > > that's pretty ignorant there. so you've never listened to > beethoven? > > > debussey? mozart? hey.. you've never heard kraftwerk? pink floyd? > > > > Yes I heard of them, but I've never heard their music. > > OK, I can forgive the ignorance of classical music - at Rob's age, I > couldn't give a shit about it either. (Actually, I still don't care > for much of it.)

I couldnt care less about most classical music either... but then what would you class Steve Reich as? classical american minimalism?..;-) dunno.. but i love Steve Reich, all im trying to point out is that IMO *every* style has some stunning records in there somewhere.... It doesnt matter how old you are Rob (18?...37?) but i bet you.... if you love music then one day youll be searching for recordings that were made 20+ years before you were born... Steve /k/./F/

Dear Robert, Dear all, At 19:39 1997-11-08 +0100, robert.merlak@ri.tel.hr wrote:

quoted 2 lines Let me see, I think I really don't give a fuck about music of the past !

>Let me see, I think I really don't give a fuck about music of the past ! >I'd rather listen to something from the future, but unfortunately I can't.

So, I am >stuck here to listen the music from today. But I'm not complaining, there is so much >great stuff that hits the shops everyday. So even if I'd like to hear something from >the past I really wouldn't have time. If you haven't heard anything from Kraftwerk (which I stongly doubt), let me just clear some things up: If if wasn't for Kraftwerk (born 1968 as Organisation, still active) this list wouldn't exist, what we refer to as "Techno" wouldn't exist, what you say is "the music of today" wouldn't be even nearly what it is today, and most importantly, the forms of developing music and performing it with synthesizers would be TOTALLY different from the present ones. As someone told me: "Whenever I want to hear something that will always give me faith in electronic music, I listen to "It's More Fun to Compute". Anyone who hasn't heard that track recently or at all should find themselves a good pair of headphones and 5 spare mintues to be blown away." Another good thing with knowing your history is that you can easily discover when someone is trying to rip off some dirty trick with just stealing someone elses sound. Now I see how credulously you dig the DMX Krew. If you haven't heard neither Grandmaster Flash nor Kraftwerk, then no wonder. Kraftwerk gave birth to a child called "techno", the people in detroit nursed it for a while, I'm not sure where it is now. However if you haven't heard anything by these german geniouses, go get either: Trans-Europa Express (Trans Europe Express) 1977, Die Mensch Machine (The Man Machine) 1978 or Computerwelt (Computerworld) 1981 (All on EMI) ...for a starter. I think you (and everybody else for that matter) owes them that. Fe. - sale/wants: http://gargamel.com/frankie ''' = ) - =-= = '''''''''' - - plodulism!: http://gargamel.com/plod -->--> -/ - - - ] '''''''' - - dot records: http://gargamel.com/dot '''''' = -.. =-= = '''908285' -

On Sat, 08 Nov 1997 13:29:48 +0000 jeff salamon <kamandi@bga.com> writes:

quoted 14 lines Let me see, I think I really don't give a fuck about

>> Let me see, I think I really don't give a fuck about >> music of the past ! I'd rather listen to something from >> the future, but unfortunately I can't. So, I am stuck >> here to listen the music from today. But I'm not >> complaining, there is so much great stuff that >> hits the shops everyday. So even if I'd like to hear >> something from the past I really wouldn't have time. >> >> no hard feelings >> respect >> Rob >> >like, i suppose, many idmers, i'm trying to figure out if you're just >goofing all of us or if you really believe this.

its gotta b a goof...NO ONE CAN BE THIS IGNORANT.... tom w np: harmonia - s/t

quoted 1 line "music falls into two different categories: good and different. It

> "music falls into two different categories: good and different. It

doesn't

quoted 3 lines mean it's not good, just that I haven't got it yet."

> mean it's not good, just that I haven't got it yet." > > Electrifying Mojo

Thanks my friend Heiko. You replied them for me. One of the best replies ever. I won't argue with you anymore. I still don't care about the music from the past. and btw, I am 20 and my brother is 16. And we heard Kraftwerk and Grandmaster Flash. But we don't intend to buy anything from them, cos we need to buy some of the new releases that we like to have at the moment : monomorph : Subject To Electronic Control CD disturbance leo anibaldi : canibald CD acv morgan geist : The Driving Memoirs CD clear Reflection: The Murderous World remixes CD clear leila : Don't fall asleep CD rephlex jones : like me you're like me CD rephlex afx : analogue bubblebath 3 CD rephlex As One : Planetary Folklore CD mo wax Disco Moonlight - Alt Frequencies 2 CD worm interface Conemelt : 24 Carat Conemelt CD ILL Jimpster : Perennial Pleasures CDEP Freerange Plaid : Not For Threes CD Warp Squarepusher Burningn'n Tree CD Warp Various : Mealtime CD Planet µ Quant : Breaking and Entering 12" Dot Roupe : Transport Solutions 12" Dot Tupilaq CD Dot Boards of Canada CD Skam Jega CDEP Planet µ Phoenecia : Randa Roomet CDEP Warp Push Button Objects 12" Skam + many many more that I forgot ........ ..... ... .. h h ha ha ha It's like a jungle sometimes that makes me wonder.... Broken glass everywhere..... New York, New York big city of dreams...... .....to much to many people, to much HA . respect Rob

I don't want to drag this thread any further... It's pointless to try and convice people who are both deaf and blind anyway. However, just to clear things up a bit: At 05:51 1997-11-09 +0100, robert.merlak@ri.tel.hr wrote:

quoted 2 lines buy some of the new releases that we like to have at the moment :

>buy some of the new releases that we like to have at the moment : >Tupilaq CD Dot

Tupilaq is no longer a dotian knight and this won't be released through Dot, there will be no more Tupilaq releases whatsoever on Dot in the future. I don't know if he has found another label to release his fullength, but if he do, be on the lookout for something like Abalon which is (supposedly) his new name. Fe. - sale/wants: http://gargamel.com/frankie ''' = ) - =-= = '''''''''' - - plodulism!: http://gargamel.com/plod -->--> -/ - - - ] '''''''' - - dot records: http://gargamel.com/dot '''''' = -.. =-= = '''908285' -

At 13:52 08-11-1997 +0100, you wrote:

quoted 1 line I didn't say that.You'd better read my mail from the beginning to the end.

>I didn't say that.You'd better read my mail from the beginning to the end.

I did.

quoted 4 lines I just said that I don't give a fuck about music of past. I listen to

>I just said that I don't give a fuck about music of past. I listen to >the music of my generation. And I don't agree with statement on >the top of this mail. It's one of the worst statements I've ever >heard in my entire life. I still cannot believe I heard it on IDM.

Why ? IDM is one of many musical genres existing. Not better, not worst. Probably one of the preferred by the subscribers of this list.

quoted 2 lines And I just wanted some info on Led Zep and Black Sabbath,

>And I just wanted some info on Led Zep and Black Sabbath, >and I get flamed. What kind of shit is this ?

To be honest I don't know. But if you allow me a little comment on the sentence "I don't give a fuck about music of past", I'd simply say that when you say such a thing I most deffinatelly will think you not only don't know what you're talking about, but also you aren't aware of what you're talking about. Of course that you can like whatever you like, because of whatever reasons you might invoke and that's fine with me. But that's a subject worth of another thread and I'm not starting it. Final words: Saying what you said (in my quote) is like saying: I don't give a fuck about who my parents and grandparents are/were. I don't give a fuck about them. I just want to know who I am, and enjoy being it. Sad to say the least. #1. :-) #2. :~) #3. [:-)] #4. >:-> SWM-"Mission: To reconstruct the sonic landscape in order to preserve imagination. We are sound. We are never what you think we are. We ask you to join the ancient dance. We love you and want you to join the sound with us." Nuno