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◇ merged from 2 subjects: (idm) please end the endless copyright thread (was: re: re: space/fax) · (idm) re: space/fax
1997-10-31 19:57Adam J Weitzman (idm) Re: Space/Fax
└─ 1997-10-31 20:23Guy Elden Re: (idm) Re: Space/Fax
├─ 1997-10-31 20:32Chris.Hilker Re: (idm) Re: Space/Fax
│ └─ 1997-10-31 21:01Guy Elden Re: (idm) Re: Space/Fax
│ └─ 1997-10-31 21:28Greg Earle (idm) Please end the endless copyright thread (was: Re: Re: Space/Fax)
└─ 1997-10-31 20:39Rusty Householter Re: (idm) Re: Space/Fax
1997-10-31 21:06Adam J Weitzman Re: (idm) Re: Space/Fax
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1997-10-31 19:57Adam J Weitzman[Meant for this to go to the lists; my original response went only to Ami.] More than one
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(idm) Re: Space/Fax
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[Meant for this to go to the lists; my original response went only to Ami.] More than one person on this list insist on this every so often. It simply isn't true. If it's on CD, it's protected by copyright. You don't need a symbol. You don't need a statement. All countries that are signatories to the Berne Convention (including the US and Germany) recognize copyright implicitly. Go to ftp://ftp.aimnet.com/pub/users/carroll/law/copyright/faq/part2 and skip down to section 2.3 to read the details. Now, if you want to make copies for people, as long as you do it in a non-commercial fashion (i.e., you don't charge for it), you are protected by the Audio Home Recording Act. This Act made recording for non-commercial purposes an activity which did not breach copyright. But don't claim that Fax releases aren't copyrighted, because they are. As soon as it was recorded and fixed onto a medium, it was protected by copyright. [And an additional note:] Under no circumstances can you claim royalties for the work until the copyright expires (which consists of the life of the author plus an additional 50 years). -- Adam J Weitzman -- Individual, Inc. -- http://www.individual.com -- "We need your fax number in order to respect your wishes not to receive unsolicited faxes." - a Microsoft registration screen
1997-10-31 20:23Guy Elden> Now, if you want to make copies for people, as long as you do it in a > non-commercial f
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quoted 4 lines Now, if you want to make copies for people, as long as you do it in a> Now, if you want to make copies for people, as long as you do it in a > non-commercial fashion (i.e., you don't charge for it), you are > protected by the Audio Home Recording Act. This Act made recording for > non-commercial purposes an activity which did not breach copyright.
IIRC, this applies for personal use only. Giving copies away to other people doesn't qualify as personal use. If you own the copyright, of course, you're entirely free to do what you want with your work. -- jr
1997-10-31 20:32Chris.Hilker>> Now, if you want to make copies for people, as long as you do it in a >> non-commercial
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quoted 8 lines Now, if you want to make copies for people, as long as you do it in a>> Now, if you want to make copies for people, as long as you do it in a >> non-commercial fashion (i.e., you don't charge for it), you are >> protected by the Audio Home Recording Act. This Act made recording for >> non-commercial purposes an activity which did not breach copyright. > >IIRC, this applies for personal use only. Giving copies away to other people >doesn't qualify as personal use. If you own the copyright, of course, you're >entirely free to do what you want with your work.
Sorry, try again. Read the AHRA: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/ch10.html It doesn't refer to "personal use," just "non-commercial use by a consumer." Please explain how giving away copies is not non-commercial use. Standard disclaimers apply. C. -- Chris.Hilker (cspot@hyperreal.org) "Sex is the darndest nougat murder, something something e-mail something something la la la la beable beable trousers and dingaling nougat..."
1997-10-31 21:01Guy Elden> Read the AHRA: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/ch10.html > > It doesn't refer to "p
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quoted 5 lines Read the AHRA: > Read the AHRA: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/ch10.html > > It doesn't refer to "personal use," just "non-commercial use by a > consumer." Please explain how giving away copies is not non-commercial > use.
Ok then... I took a look through it. Now, I want to be absolutely clear about this, so let me ask for an "unofficial" opinion on the following... (unless you happen to be an Attorney at Law, in which case I'll be glad to hear an "official" opinion. :) I digitally transfer a CD I bought at HMV to DAT. I give the DAT away to a friend, in exchange for nothing. I can not be sued, no criminal charges brought against me, etc..., as a result of said action. As far as I can tell by reading the Act, this is true. Comments? -- jr
1997-10-31 21:28Greg Earle>> Read the AHRA: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/ch10.html >> >> It doesn't refer to
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Fri, 31 Oct 1997 13:28:13 -0800
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(idm) Please end the endless copyright thread (was: Re: Re: Space/Fax)
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quoted 8 lines Read the AHRA: >> Read the AHRA: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/ch10.html >> >> It doesn't refer to "personal use," just "non-commercial use by a >> consumer." Please explain how giving away copies is not non-commercial >> use. > > Ok then... I took a look through it. Now, I want to be absolutely clear about > this, so let me ask for an "unofficial" opinion on the following...
My so-unofficial-you-can-shove-it-up-per-arse opinion is: The most tedious and pointless threads on IDM since I've been on are about copyright. They have little point, they convince no one, and they have little relevance to the actual music we discuss here. Please, stop. I implore you ... - Greg
1997-10-31 20:39Rusty HouseholterAt 03:23 PM 10/31/97 -0500, you wrote: >> protected by the Audio Home Recording Act. This
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At 03:23 PM 10/31/97 -0500, you wrote:
quoted 5 lines protected by the Audio Home Recording Act. This Act made recording for>> protected by the Audio Home Recording Act. This Act made recording for >> non-commercial purposes an activity which did not breach copyright. > >IIRC, this applies for personal use only. Giving copies away to other people >doesn't qualify as personal use.
What is it then? In my day we called that "charity". What is it when you give that penny you get from the store to the clerk because you don't want the penny? Who says you can't take all those pennies out of the wishing fountain, they aren't the owner of the fountain's pennies, who said they were? Is it stealing eventhough they rightfully belong to you (or the individual who threw the penny in)?
quoted 2 lines If you own the copyright, of course, you're>If you own the copyright, of course, you're >entirely free to do what you want with your work.
Sure. You have the "right" to "copy" it. That's my two "donated" cents, Rusty
1997-10-31 21:06Adam J WeitzmanGuy Elden wrote: > Ok then... I took a look through it. Now, I want to be absolutely clear
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Guy Elden wrote:
quoted 11 lines Ok then... I took a look through it. Now, I want to be absolutely clear about> Ok then... I took a look through it. Now, I want to be absolutely clear about > this, so let me ask for an "unofficial" opinion on the following... > > (unless you happen to be an Attorney at Law, in which case I'll be glad to > hear an "official" opinion. :) > > I digitally transfer a CD I bought at HMV to DAT. I give the DAT away to a > friend, in exchange for nothing. I can not be sued, no criminal charges > brought against me, etc..., as a result of said action. > > As far as I can tell by reading the Act, this is true. Comments?
My unofficial (since I am not an attorney) opinion is that you cannot be sued. Your action, being noncommercial, should be protected by the AHRA. The royalties paid by the company that made the media (which is, in all likelihood, included in the cost of the media to the consumer) go into a fund that pays all interested copyright parties for your use. -- Adam J Weitzman -- Individual, Inc. -- http://www.individual.com -- "We need your fax number in order to respect your wishes not to receive unsolicited faxes." - a Microsoft registration screen