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I'm looking for some more of what I'd concider 'Classic IDM', the type of stuff released by Warp on Artificial Intelligence I and II, Polygon Window, and especially Black Dog Productions. I wish I could re-order a bunch of this stuff on vinyl. The sound is 'classical' in the sense that the music changes slowly in 'movements', and is generally plesant to listen to. Can anyone recommend some artists, or releases on CD or vinyl with this early-IDM sound? -jonathan 608 256 3133 x2447 jonathany@sonicfoundry.com Useful resources at http://cell --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Jonathan Yankovich wrote:

quoted 4 lines Can anyone recommend some artists, or releases on CD or vinyl with this

> > Can anyone recommend some artists, or releases on CD or vinyl with this > early-IDM sound? >

I heartily recommend the following labels, though most of their back catalogue is very hard to come by these days: A13, B12, GPR, New Electronica, A.R.T./Op-Art, Likemind, Otherworld and Unexplored Beats for starters, progressing to more dance-oriented releases on Ifach, Pure Plastic, 3Zone, Rewired and 4th Wave. Artists include Kirk DeGiorgio (As One/Esoterik), Steve Pickton (Stasis/Phenomyna/Paul W. Teebrooke), Ed Handley & Andy Turner (Plaid/Tura/Balil) with Dave Hill (Repeat), Mark Broom, Ian O'Brien, Nuron (now was that Steve Paton or who?), Golding/Rutter (B12/CMetric etc.)... I'd probably try to hunt down full-lenghts on CD, since the vinyl releases have been out of stock for years. Some pointers: Repeat: Repeats (A13 AA002) Phenomyna: Unexplained (A.R.T. ART5CD) As One: Reflections (New Electronica ELEC5) As One: Reflections on Reflections (New Electronica ELEC23) As One: Celestial Soul (New Electronica ELEC26) Paul W. Teebrooke: Connections (Op-Art OP6) Stasis: Inspiration (Peacefrog PF028) Stasis: From Old To The New (Peacefrog PF046) Various: Objets d'A.R.T. (New Electronica ELEC9) (only on 4x12", contains A.R.T. 1, 2.1, 2.2 and 3) Various: Objets d'A.R.T. 92::95 (New Electronica ELEC27, 2xCD only) I've been spinning most of the back catalogue from the above labels lately, and they still make me shiver. Nowadays, IDM has advanced beyond my tolerance in abstraction and I'd rather listen to these than any of the "new" music discussed on the list. If I were an MP3 trader, most of these would be available from me. But I respect the musicians and labels and _do NOT support piracy_, because that's what dealing in MP3s is. I don't use Napster or anysuch, I don't comb the net to get the impossible-to-find-on-real-media BoC tracks. I'd rather be without them than submit to the false notion of "fairness to pirate" when the records are not available anymore. I don't think that "home taping is killing music" but it's still unethical and just plain _criminal_. If it's worth listening (repeatedly), it's worth buying. -- nuutti-iivari meriläinen gordon at diversion dot org http colon slash slash www dot diversion dot org slash --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

In a message dated 3/7/00 9:51:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, JonathanY@SonicFoundry.com writes: << I'm looking for some more of what I'd concider 'Classic IDM', the type of stuff released by Warp on Artificial Intelligence I and II, Polygon Window, and especially Black Dog Productions. I wish I could re-order a bunch of this stuff on vinyl. The sound is 'classical' in the sense that the music changes slowly in 'movements', and is generally plesant to listen to. Can anyone recommend some artists, or releases on CD or vinyl with this early-IDM sound? >> The early IDM sound you refer to is more of the aesthetic UK 313 sound, very much a British take on the Detroit sound with a greater emphasis on layered development and accessibility. Great stuff! The best UK (or anywhere else, for that matter) album is Reload's "A Collection of Short Stories". It has melodic moments, ambient moments, sinister moments, etc. and is pretty much beyond categorization except as a total classic and an unrivaled masterpiece. In the more straight-forward sound the best UK primer is not the Artificial Intelligence comp but the Philosophy of Sound and Machine comp on A.R.T. and the Objets d'A.R.T. 92-95 comp on New Electronica. These have most of the best tracks by the Black Dog and the artists most similar to them: As One/Future Past (Kirk "Detroitio"), Musicology/Redcell/Cmetric/B12 (Michael Golding and Steve Rutter), Phenomyna/Stasis (Steve Pickton), etc. These comps are absolutely incredible, just hits from top to bottom. For full-lengths I would also recommend Black Dog's Bytes as their best, As One's Reflections and also the Reflections on Reflections remix album, B12's Electro-Soma and Stasis' Inspiration as the best full-lengths from the UK producers. Also worth it if you move fast are the 12"s on the Likemind label. For some reason copies of #2, 3 and 4 that were never originally sold seem to have reappeared at Hedonizm and Smallfish, which is a great chance to get some classic rarities at reasonable prices. Likemind is possibly the best UK techno label, contested only by A.R.T. mainly because it was really the only label to feature tracks by the exceptionally talented Nuron (Paul Smith) who is probably my favorite "standard" UK techno producer, even above Black Dog. Here are what I'd call the best twenty UK 313 albums: Aphex Twin: Selected Ambient Works Volume II (Warp) As One: Celestial Soul (New Electronica) As One: Reflections (New Electronica) As One: Reflections on Reflections (New Electronica) B12: Electro-Soma (Warp) B12: The Prelude, Part 1 (B12) B12: Time Tourist (Warp) Black Dog Productions: Bytes (Warp) Black Dog Productions: Parallel (GPR) Black Dog Productions: Spanners (Warp) Black Dog Productions: The Temple of Transparent Balls (GPR) Global Communication: 76:14 (Dedicated Japan) Phenomyna: Unexplained (A.R.T.) Polygon Window: Surfing on Sine Waves (Warp) Redcell/Stasis split (B12) Reload: A Collection of Short Stories (Infonet) Remotion: The Global Communication Remix Album (Dedicated) Stasis: From the Old to the New (Peacefrog) Stasis: Inspiration (Peacefrog) The Theory of Evolution (Warp) As for compilations check the Philosophy of Sound and Machine and Applied Rhythmic Technology comps on A.R.T., Objets d'A.R.T. 92-95 on New Electronica and both Artifical Intelligence comps for the five that best deal with solely UK artists from this era of music. And here are the best fifty UK 313 singles: Phenomyna: Explained V1 (A.R.T.) Phenomyna: Explained V2 (A.R.T.) Elegy: Ensemble (A.R.T.) As One / Future/Past / Zee# (B12) Future/Past: Hyperspace (R&S) 2001: Rings of Saturn (B12) Musicology: Hall of Mirrors (B12) Redcell: Active E Motion (B12) Musicology: Preminition (B12) Redcell: Captive Planet (B12) Cmetric: Cqual (B12) B12/A.R.T. Project 1 (B12/A.R.T.) B12/A.R.T. Project 2 (B12/A.R.T.) Black Dog Productions: Virtual (Black Dog) Black Dog Productions: Age of Slack (Black Dog) Black Dog Productions: Techno Playtime (Black Dog) Black Dog Productions: Flux (Rising High) Balil: Parasight (Rising High) Plaid: Mbuki Mvuki (Black Dog) Plaid: Scoobs In Columbia (GPR) Pictured 1 (Deepart) Pictured 2 (Deepart) Pictured 3 (Deepart) Andihart 1 (Myoclonic?) Andihart 2 (Myoclonic?) Deepart: Collage #1 (Rush Hour) Nuron/Stasis split (Likemind) Nuron/Fugue split (Likemind) Likethemes (Inner) (Likemind) Nuron/As One/Elegy (?) (Likemind) The Reload EP (Evolution) The Autoreload EP (Evolution) The Keongaku EP (Evolution) The First Link EP (Evolution) The Cyberdon EP (Evolution) Link: Antacid (Evolution/Warp) Reload: Archives (Evolution) Link: s/t (Symbiotic) The Autoreload EP, Volume 2 (Infonet) Stasis: Disco 4000 (Time Is Right) Stasis: Circuit Funk (Peacefrog) Stasis: Block (Pure Plastic) Otherworlds (Otherworld) The Other World Collective: Artificial World (Peacefrog) Mode-M: Space Based (Void) Future Beat Alliance: Inside Out (Void) Soul Electrik: Drift (Void) Mode-M: The Inner World (Void) Future Beat Alliance: Electric Blues (Void) Future Beat Alliance: Travelling Solo (Archive) Any further questions about specific releases are welcomed, and yes, the UK 313 sound is among the best and most lasting out there in technoland, and I wholeheartedly agree with you that reissues are absolutely necessary so new fans can have the opportunity to enjoy this great music. Matt --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line I've been spinning most of the back catalogue from the above >>labels

>I've been spinning most of the back catalogue from the above >>labels

lately, and they still make me shiver. Is that all Nuutti, U just shiver......My convulsions seem to be measured on the Richter scale fella! Listening to that Inspiration last nite........Music today doesnt even come close to this past stuff! -----Original Message----- From: Nuutti-Iivari Meriläinen [mailto:gordon@populo.vip.fi] Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 10:32 AM To: 'idm@hyperreal.org' Subject: Re: (idm) the slow melodic analog groove On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Jonathan Yankovich wrote:

quoted 4 lines Can anyone recommend some artists, or releases on CD or vinyl with this

> > Can anyone recommend some artists, or releases on CD or vinyl with this > early-IDM sound? >

I heartily recommend the following labels, though most of their back catalogue is very hard to come by these days: A13, B12, GPR, New Electronica, A.R.T./Op-Art, Likemind, Otherworld and Unexplored Beats for starters, progressing to more dance-oriented releases on Ifach, Pure Plastic, 3Zone, Rewired and 4th Wave. Artists include Kirk DeGiorgio (As One/Esoterik), Steve Pickton (Stasis/Phenomyna/Paul W. Teebrooke), Ed Handley & Andy Turner (Plaid/Tura/Balil) with Dave Hill (Repeat), Mark Broom, Ian O'Brien, Nuron (now was that Steve Paton or who?), Golding/Rutter (B12/CMetric etc.)... I'd probably try to hunt down full-lenghts on CD, since the vinyl releases have been out of stock for years. Some pointers: Repeat: Repeats (A13 AA002) Phenomyna: Unexplained (A.R.T. ART5CD) As One: Reflections (New Electronica ELEC5) As One: Reflections on Reflections (New Electronica ELEC23) As One: Celestial Soul (New Electronica ELEC26) Paul W. Teebrooke: Connections (Op-Art OP6) Stasis: Inspiration (Peacefrog PF028) Stasis: From Old To The New (Peacefrog PF046) Various: Objets d'A.R.T. (New Electronica ELEC9) (only on 4x12", contains A.R.T. 1, 2.1, 2.2 and 3) Various: Objets d'A.R.T. 92::95 (New Electronica ELEC27, 2xCD only) I've been spinning most of the back catalogue from the above labels lately, and they still make me shiver. Nowadays, IDM has advanced beyond my tolerance in abstraction and I'd rather listen to these than any of the "new" music discussed on the list. If I were an MP3 trader, most of these would be available from me. But I respect the musicians and labels and _do NOT support piracy_, because that's what dealing in MP3s is. I don't use Napster or anysuch, I don't comb the net to get the impossible-to-find-on-real-media BoC tracks. I'd rather be without them than submit to the false notion of "fairness to pirate" when the records are not available anymore. I don't think that "home taping is killing music" but it's still unethical and just plain _criminal_. If it's worth listening (repeatedly), it's worth buying. -- nuutti-iivari meriläinen gordon at diversion dot org http colon slash slash www dot diversion dot org slash --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 00:57 8/03/00 +0800, Taiwan John wrote:

quoted 5 lines Polygon Window: Surfing on Sine Waves (Warp)

>> Polygon Window: Surfing on Sine Waves (Warp) > >Is this similar to SAW 2, or could someone kinda describe it? I keep seeing >this in the shop but passing it by as I'm not too fond of some of the AI >series and there's so much new music to get.

Nah, not at all like SAW 2. It's (low-key) techno. Lots of simple repeating synth riffs and Roland drum machine jams. Definitely not worth picking up, in my opinion, if you're not necessarily keen on AI-like stuff. I should be clear that there's absolutely no Aphex release I'd wholeheartedly recommend, just so you know my biases. Michael np. 'EA1 EA2' - Tied + Tickled Trio -+- Jet Jaguar MP3s http://mp3.com/jetjag/ -+- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, Michael Upton wrote:

quoted 5 lines At 00:57 8/03/00 +0800, Taiwan John wrote:

> At 00:57 8/03/00 +0800, Taiwan John wrote: > >> Polygon Window: Surfing on Sine Waves (Warp) > Definitely not worth picking up, in my opinion, if you're not necessarily > keen on AI-like stuff. I should be clear that there's absolutely no Aphex > release I'd wholeheartedly recommend, just so you know my biases.

Oh my God! this is one of my favorite releases ever. Lots of really good tracks on it, if you ask me. Basically somewhere between SAW I and II, really. Definitely check it out! -- :: atomly :: atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@cyrus.net http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly [CELL|(888)522.3830] | [CELL|(701)729.1631] | [HOME|(651)748.8676] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

In a message dated 3/7/00 10:32:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, gordon@populo.vip.fi writes: << If I were an MP3 trader, most of these would be available from me. But I respect the musicians and labels and _do NOT support piracy_, because that's what dealing in MP3s is. I don't use Napster or anysuch, I don't comb the net to get the impossible-to-find-on-real-media BoC tracks. I'd rather be without them than submit to the false notion of "fairness to pirate" when the records are not available anymore. I don't think that "home taping is killing music" but it's still unethical and just plain _criminal_. If it's worth listening (repeatedly), it's worth buying. >> Just want to chime in that I'm very sad that someone who loves the same music I do seems to support alienating others from getting the chance to hear it. Void is out of print. Likemind is out of print. Evolution is out of print. A13 is out of print. B12 is out of print. ART is out of print. Otherworld is out of print. The artists aren't losing any money through MP3's or CDR's, and nobody I think making them is gaining any cash from them. It is simply allowing a new audience the chance to hear great music. You're right about new stuff, or about bootlegging anything, old or new, for profit. But for out of print stuff when people just make copies out of love for the music and the desire to let interested parties hear it, I have to disagree (and this is from me, a guy who can't work an MP3 player and can't burn CDR's). As a music enthusiast, I want to share my enthusiasm with others and carry on the tradition of introducing people to great music in the same way others helped introduce it to me. It seems to me incredibly detrimental to this scene to be any other way. Unfortunately in this age of copyright and hasty legislation the only way great art becomes truly accessible is when the artist is dead. Look at the compositions of Beethoven or the Sistine Chapel. What if only people around at the time or those with the most money could experience them? Man, I can't support that. Art should be universal. Matt --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

This is the music I've loved most for years, I love the fact that everybody is talking about this stuff right now. If I knew what to call it I might start a new list. One thing bothers me, I have never heard any of this Nuron everybody keeps talking about, partly through lack of availability, mostly through lack of a turntable. Can anybody out there help me get a digital version of this stuff? Cheers, Ross --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Lucky I read your Post..... Did someone mention Nuron...... When I get the time I can Ross, no prob.... Actually, I will prolly make a copy of a comp I am trying to put together, theres just not enough Time in the day...... Hk! -----Original Message----- From: Ross Balmer [mailto:ross@tui.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 7:06 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (idm) the slow melodic analog groove This is the music I've loved most for years, I love the fact that everybody is talking about this stuff right now. If I knew what to call it I might start a new list. One thing bothers me, I have never heard any of this Nuron everybody keeps talking about, partly through lack of availability, mostly through lack of a turntable. Can anybody out there help me get a digital version of this stuff? Cheers, Ross --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

In a message dated 3/9/00 7:06:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, ross@tui.co.uk writes: << This is the music I've loved most for years, I love the fact that everybody is talking about this stuff right now. If I knew what to call it I might start a new list. I think that's a great idea. Personally (I'm such an art conservative) I have heard under ten releases in last couple years that I care about half as much as the old stuff (from the UK, from Germany, from Holland, from Detroit, etc.). There is just such a wealth of great music from the Dog style to the Ifach style to the AI style...yikes. The only music I seem to like these days is Klang-related or Playhouse-related stuff and some of the Basic Channel friends productions. I can't be the only one. Of course it does bear in mind to remember that when all the classic stuff came out tons of schlock came out back then as well. We've just since forgotten it. But I do think there seemed to be much higher quality music then. It might just be my tastes. Also - I keep hearing about a new B12 album being on the way. We can certainly hope it sounds like "Electro-Soma". Pretty interesting that all of those UK guys are around still except Nuron but none of them seem to have released same caliber material. I mean, if you listen to "Mbuki Mvuki", then "Rest Proof Clockwork", you'll wonder what Plaid could possibly be thinking. Same with "Reflections" vs "Planetary Folklore", etc. etc. Also heard about a couple exciting Pure Plastic 12"s featuring old archived stuff including (gasp) one that features the involvement of Paul Smith (Nuron) himself. Hope Mark sees fit to release these. Matt --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line ===== Original Message From AeOtaku@aol.com =====

>===== Original Message From AeOtaku@aol.com =====

quoted 1 line But I do think there seemed to be much higher quality music then. It might >

> But I do think there seemed to be much higher quality music then. It might >

just be my tastes. [snippo]

quoted 3 lines I mean, if you listen to "Mbuki Mvuki", then "Rest Proof Clockwork",

>I mean, if you listen to "Mbuki Mvuki", then "Rest Proof Clockwork", >you'll wonder what Plaid could possibly be thinking. Same with >"Reflections" vs "Planetary Folklore", etc. etc.

Well, it definitely is taste. I've always found this kind of stuff very hammed sounding, not emotional but just melodramatic, with all the Vangelis string stylings etc. (I also think 'Planetary Folklore' is great, at least for that soul tune in the middle.. crikey!) But what I really want to say is that I remember around the time of 'Electro Soma' B12 used to get dissed on here for being like Autechre minus the interesting bits. Not a call I'd make, despite far preferring what Ae were doing at the time, but the point I want to make is that it's indicative of the fact that "the good old days" was never something that was agreed upon on this list. (Well, since 94.. how long has the list been around?) Michael -+- Jet Jaguar MP3s http://mp3.com/jetjag/ -+- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 03:41 PM 3/10/2000 -0500, you wrote:

quoted 4 lines Not a call I'd make, despite far preferring what Ae were

> Not a call I'd make, despite far preferring what Ae were >doing at the time, but the point I want to make is that it's indicative of the >fact that "the good old days" was never something that was agreed upon on this >list. (Well, since 94.. how long has the list been around?)

Count me in as one of the "good ole' days of idm" old foggies because I've been on this list since 93. -->-Lance--- lance@inaudible.com p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

ha ha...ahem......Hey Matt, care to give more more info in Priv., Need I mention these are my sentiments too...but what to do? Anal Insert is the new B12, but I dont know if its coming out or not.........Dan.....help us out! And one new thing which is Dinging my bell is this song called Smile by Microworld.........its that mid-2-down tempo Tech/house....I rush home to hear it! Hk! -----Original Message----- From: AeOtaku@aol.com [mailto:AeOtaku@aol.com] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 1:51 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (idm) the slow melodic analog groove In a message dated 3/9/00 7:06:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, ross@tui.co.uk writes: << This is the music I've loved most for years, I love the fact that everybody is talking about this stuff right now. If I knew what to call it I might start a new list. I think that's a great idea. Personally (I'm such an art conservative) I have heard under ten releases in last couple years that I care about half as much as the old stuff (from the UK, from Germany, from Holland, from Detroit, etc.). There is just such a wealth of great music from the Dog style to the Ifach style to the AI style...yikes. The only music I seem to like these days is Klang-related or Playhouse-related stuff and some of the Basic Channel friends productions. I can't be the only one. Of course it does bear in mind to remember that when all the classic stuff came out tons of schlock came out back then as well. We've just since forgotten it. But I do think there seemed to be much higher quality music then. It might just be my tastes. Also - I keep hearing about a new B12 album being on the way. We can certainly hope it sounds like "Electro-Soma". Pretty interesting that all of those UK guys are around still except Nuron but none of them seem to have released same caliber material. I mean, if you listen to "Mbuki Mvuki", then "Rest Proof Clockwork", you'll wonder what Plaid could possibly be thinking. Same with "Reflections" vs "Planetary Folklore", etc. etc. Also heard about a couple exciting Pure Plastic 12"s featuring old archived stuff including (gasp) one that features the involvement of Paul Smith (Nuron) himself. Hope Mark sees fit to release these. Matt --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org