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quoted 6 lines MY POINT EXACTLY!

> MY POINT EXACTLY! > I compared him with Cylob, not with björk. My point being (for the 511th time) > YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE RICH TO MAKE CUTTING EDGE MUSIC (you used this as an > argument for the fact that I liked björks work) AND EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT YOU > CAN (cylob: not rich, unexciting music, black dog: not rich, fucking > cutting edge). Get it?

My implication when I mentioned money in the first place was that Bjork has the luxury of being cutting edge because she is a zillionare and can actually purchase whatever sound she wishes for a dollar amount while Cylob (or whoever, plug in your favorite struggling IDM artist) doesn't and can't - yet makes the music he believes in anyway. I was using this as an argument to refute your statement that Bjork was being more daring than the other artists you mentioned and I don't believe that to be the case when people are risking their lively hood and not just their image or a couple thousand record sales in relation to millions.

quoted 2 lines Why shouldn't I place Björk next to Autechre? I find the music as exiting.

> Why shouldn't I place Björk next to Autechre? I find the music as exiting. > I don't give a flying fuck about if it's underground or not.

You shouldn't place them next to one another because they don't do the same thing. Bjork doesn't have as hard a job as Autechre. You're the one who brought underground into the equation when you said "I'd say get lost you "undergrounders", this is far more daring than Cylob, Freeform or Music Aus Strom will ever be." Someone like Prince I would place along Autechre because he writes, produces, arranges, and performs everything himself - amd he's hardly underground. When bjork writes all the tracks, produces all the tracks and performs all the music herself then I'll say, yes, she belongs next to Autechre because she is doing just as much as they do. Allow me to quote randomly from a few other messages...

quoted 1 line both artists deserve respect under their own terms.

> both artists deserve respect under their own terms.

agreed. yet they are different terms.

quoted 3 lines without björk and her zillions of dollars, a lot of her 'starving'

> > without björk and her zillions of dollars, a lot of her 'starving' > collaborators would be nothing.

They'd be 'nothing?' Nothing in what sense? They'd be musicians and artists. I'd hardly call that 'nothing.'

quoted 3 lines c'mon, everyone knows gonzi's more interested in the names associated with

> c'mon, everyone knows gonzi's more interested in the names associated with > the music than the music itself - he even posted that he didn't have > _homogenic_ and he obviously hasn't heard it.

haha. More interested in the names? I'm always on the prowl for new and interesting artists regardless of names - in fact there is nothing i love more than hearing some brilliant music from someone I've never heard of before. If I do seem to talk about some artists more than others its because I've loved their output in the past - hardly a crime I should think. And no, I don't own the album yet, for all I know it's the greatest thing since sliced bread but that's not where my argument with frankie was. I assume if he likes it, it's probably pretty good.

quoted 1 line Bjork writes all her own stuff, she doesn't ape anyone else's sound

> Bjork writes all her own stuff, she doesn't ape anyone else's sound

Ok, I'll admit this was a bit harsh.

quoted 3 lines Bjork is the only other

> Bjork is the only other > woman I know of, who I regularly see down Metalheadz, Anokha and all of the > Rephlex/Warp nights

Her good taste should be applauded. It's just too bad she can't leave her checkbook at home :)

quoted 6 lines i dont see how you can even compare what the two do.

> i dont see how you can even compare what the two do. > > cylob is a producer/engineer or whatever he fancies himself to be. > > bjork is a singer/songwriter. >

whew, exactly - thank you.

quoted 3 lines what's silly is that I'm willing to bet 99% of the

> what's silly is that I'm willing to bet 99% of the > people in this argument actually enjoy listening to bjork; including > gonzi (correct me if I'm wrong)

Yes I used to be quite into bjork but i must admit my tastes have become a bit more exotic since then. Sorry if this thread is annoying for some of the listmembers, but I think as we begin to see more collaborations such as the things bjork has been doing we're going to be having to deal with these questions of authorship and who is really responsible for the music more and more. g-unz-e.

quoted 2 lines without björk and her zillions of dollars, a lot of her 'starving'

>> without björk and her zillions of dollars, a lot of her 'starving' >> collaborators would be nothing.

quoted 2 lines They'd be 'nothing?' Nothing in what sense? They'd be musicians and

>They'd be 'nothing?' Nothing in what sense? They'd be musicians and >artists. I'd hardly call that 'nothing.'

nothing to all those people who arent exactly 'connoisseurs' in idm, like you fresh. bjork's terms lay more in the education field. she has enough good taste to pick good collaborators that get known through her music. a lot of people got led into idm by listening to björk, and shes probably what made YOU develop a more 'exotic' taste.

quoted 4 lines Sorry if this thread is annoying for some of the listmembers, but I

>Sorry if this thread is annoying for some of the listmembers, but I >think as we begin to see more collaborations such as the things bjork >has been doing we're going to be having to deal with these questions of >authorship and who is really responsible for the music more and more.

oh urgently we will... what are you? the saviour of idm? its not like bjork's destroying your precious genre or anything, she's publicising it. i think how she chooses to work is not as evil as all those annoying half-assed side projects that just use their notoriety like mike&rich and stuff. and yeah, how are we supposed to deal with the ultra-generic transformers and stolen anime from the rephlex page, and all the stolen british expressions in your vocabulary? those are authorship issues too... you get real now, jif