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1997-08-30 21:46(idm) Aphex/Autechre/Gear question?
└─ 1997-08-30 21:28GamePrg. Re: (idm) Aphex/Autechre/Gear question?
1997-08-31 02:48Re: (idm) Aphex/Autechre/Gear question?
1997-08-31 04:16Chris &/or Rebecca Re: (idm) Aphex/Autechre/Gear question?
├─ 1997-09-02 18:30Pete Ashdown Re: (idm) Aphex/Autechre/Gear question?
└─ 1997-09-06 13:26GamePrg. Re: (idm) Aphex/Autechre/Gear question?
1997-08-31 08:31grouch Re: (idm) Aphex/Autechre/Gear question?
└─ 1997-09-01 22:04Oblique Hostility Re: (idm) Aphex/Autechre/Gear question?
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1997-09-01 00:09Tim Gill Re: (idm) Aphex/Autechre/Gear question?
1997-09-01 03:36Chris &/or Rebecca Re: (idm) Aphex/Autechre/Gear question?
└─ 1997-09-02 23:55Brett McCormick Re: (idm) Aphex/Autechre/Gear question?
1997-09-06 22:20grouch Re: (idm) Aphex/Autechre/Gear question?
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1997-08-30 21:46PLeXitMIND@aol.comI know groups such as aphex and autechre are doing everything mainly on the computers now:
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I know groups such as aphex and autechre are doing everything mainly on the computers now: using programs such as protools, cubase, software synths, various sound editing programs, ect... My question is do these groups still use samplers or do they just load there samples directly into there computers and tweak them with the software available? Are there things that a sampler can do that computers can not? Or does a computer with the right programs make a sampler obselete? Thanks for any info. U can email privately if u do not want to waste bandwidth. Thanks
1997-08-30 21:28GamePrg.On Saturday, 30-Aug-97, PLeXitMIND@aol.com wrote [about (idm) Aphex/Autechre/Gear question
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On Saturday, 30-Aug-97, PLeXitMIND@aol.com wrote [about (idm) Aphex/Autechre/Gear question?]:
quoted 5 lines sound editing programs, ect... My question is do these groups still use>sound editing programs, ect... My question is do these groups still use >samplers or do they just load there samples directly into there computers and >tweak them with the software available? Are there things that a sampler can >do that computers can not? Or does a computer with the right programs make a >sampler obselete?
computers have been sampling sound WAY before samplers came out. You can buy samplers for Amigas, and for PC's, well all sound cards have the ability to sample just as good quality as any sampler and for way less than the multi-thousands of dollars that samplers cost.. I don't reckon I'll ever buy a sampler (of the non-computer variety). __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ www.freq-div.home.ml.org
1997-08-31 02:48Biostream@aol.comIn a message dated 97-08-30 22:10:02 EDT, you write: << On Saturday, 30-Aug-97, PLeXitMIND
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In a message dated 97-08-30 22:10:02 EDT, you write: << On Saturday, 30-Aug-97, PLeXitMIND@aol.com wrote [about (idm) Aphex/Autechre/Gear question?]: >sound editing programs, ect... My question is do these groups still use >samplers or do they just load there samples directly into there computers and >tweak them with the software available? Are there things that a sampler can >do that computers can not? Or does a computer with the right programs make a >sampler obselete? computers have been sampling sound WAY before samplers came out. You can buy samplers for Amigas, and for PC's, well all sound cards have the ability to sample just as good quality as any sampler and for way less than the multi-thousands of dollars that samplers cost.. I don't reckon I'll ever buy a sampler (of the non-computer variety). << The advantage of samplers is that even though computers can do everything and more that samplers can do, samplers are much much more faster. Another thing is you don't have to worry about your hard drive filling up, proccessing power, and most importantly sound quality. A sound card is not designed for professional sampling (unless of course you buy a sound card that is, and in which case, you're buying a smapler in a way) not to mention, if you're going to do it straight computer, like RDJ does now, you've got to get a very good audio interface to go with that wonderful soundcard that will also cost you another few hundred dollars. In either case, if you want to do it proffesionally, you've got to have the gear to do it. If you want to make actuall selling music on computers you will basically need the following. 1st) You'll need a good audio/computer interface. This includes a sound card especially designed for pro sampling. Usually you'll have to also buy a special type of audio interface to cut noise between whatever you're sampling and the sound card which also requires expensive software. 2nd) You'll need to get a good sound editing program, something like CoolEdit or Goldwave ( I think cooledit is better, but that's just my opinion) 3rd) You'll need to get a good MIDI/sound editing program like Cakewalk Pro 6.0 or something of the sort. If you want to go all out, you can buy Encore, but I think it's too expensive for software. 4th) You'll need a fast fucking computer with a fuckload of RAM. RDJ himself uses 4 powerpc macs, along with a bunch of interfaces, and alot of add ons. Don't wank on this one, unless you want to wait halve your life for your computer to add reverb, flange, 3Dechos, etc. to your samples. The point is, in the end you end up paying just as much to get your computer set up to do professional sampling, as you would pay just to buy a sampler right off the shelf. It's your choice though. You've got much more freedom with a computer but a sampler has a hands on interface and is faster. Plus with a sampler you don't have to worry about getting the audio hookups. It's whatever works best for you. -Biostream...?
1997-08-31 04:16Chris &/or RebeccaSome things to consider in the computer v. sampler debate. Computers are hard to lug aroun
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Some things to consider in the computer v. sampler debate. Computers are hard to lug around if you want to perform live. Second, you need a FAST computer to really take full advantage of digital audio on the computer-my 486PC isn't even fast enough to run most of the basic sequencers that include digital audio. Sound cards with sample ram are another issue, and because I don't have one I won't comment. Just wanted to throw in a comment, because I think choosing between the two is NOT such an easy thing. Chris np. Plug Reseach Compilation GamePrg. wrote:
quoted 22 lines On Saturday, 30-Aug-97, PLeXitMIND@aol.com wrote [about (idm)> > On Saturday, 30-Aug-97, PLeXitMIND@aol.com wrote [about (idm) > Aphex/Autechre/Gear question?]: > >sound editing programs, ect... My question is do these groups still use > >samplers or do they just load there samples directly into there computers and > >tweak them with the software available? Are there things that a sampler can > >do that computers can not? Or does a computer with the right programs make a > >sampler obselete? > > computers have been sampling sound WAY before samplers came out. > > You can buy samplers for Amigas, and for PC's, well all sound cards have the > ability to sample just as good quality as any sampler and for way less than > the multi-thousands of dollars that samplers cost.. I don't reckon I'll ever > buy a sampler (of the non-computer variety). > > __ > __\ \ > / /_\ \ > \_____/ > > www.freq-div.home.ml.org
1997-09-02 18:30Pete AshdownChris &/or Rebecca said once upon a time: > >Some things to consider in the computer v. sa
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Chris &/or Rebecca said once upon a time:
quoted 3 lines Some things to consider in the computer v. sampler debate. Computers> >Some things to consider in the computer v. sampler debate. Computers >are hard to lug around if you want to perform live.
Huh? Most live bands I've seen have got a computer with their gear anyway. Granted, it is usually an ST or something smallish, but I'd think that if a heavily equipped Pee Cee could out-race a stack of keyboards then it would be a lot easier to tote.
1997-09-06 13:26GamePrg.On Sunday, 31-Aug-97, Chris &/or Rebecca wrote [about Re: (idm) Aphex/Autechre/Gear questi
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On Sunday, 31-Aug-97, Chris &/or Rebecca wrote [about Re: (idm) Aphex/Autechre/Gear question?]:
quoted 2 lines Some things to consider in the computer v. sampler debate. Computers>Some things to consider in the computer v. sampler debate. Computers >are hard to lug around if you want to perform live. Second, you need a
yeah, and so is lots of gear :) and eventually I plan to get a laptop to do all the stuff that my computer would do.
quoted 1 line computer-my 486PC isn't even fast enough to run most of the basic>computer-my 486PC isn't even fast enough to run most of the basic
this is a joke right? I wouldn't take a 486PC if it was given to me. :)
quoted 2 lines Just wanted to throw in a comment, because I think choosing between the>Just wanted to throw in a comment, because I think choosing between the >two is NOT such an easy thing.
it is for me :) __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ www.freq-div.home.ml.org
1997-08-31 08:31grouchAt 21:16 30/08/97 -0700, you wrote: >Some things to consider in the computer v. sampler de
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At 21:16 30/08/97 -0700, you wrote:
quoted 2 lines Some things to consider in the computer v. sampler debate. Computers>Some things to consider in the computer v. sampler debate. Computers >are hard to lug around if you want to perform live.
yeah but most people are going to take a computer anyway, to run their sequencer!
quoted 4 lines Second, you need a>Second, you need a >FAST computer to really take full advantage of digital audio on the >computer-my 486PC isn't even fast enough to run most of the basic >sequencers that include digital audio.
but 486 machines haven't been on sale now for at least a year, so that is pretty old technology now
quoted 2 lines Sound cards with sample ram are>Sound cards with sample ram are >another issue, and because I don't have one I won't comment.
i do, it's only a 70 quid awe32 and you can do more or less anything with it
quoted 2 lines Just wanted to throw in a comment, because I think choosing between the>Just wanted to throw in a comment, because I think choosing between the >two is NOT such an easy thing.
i mean, when you consider the prices of the two kinds of sampler, they shouldn't really compare to each other! thing is, they do, on plenty of points. if you want to spend 8 times as much money just to get individual outs, and maybe slightly better sampling quality, that's ok, but don't be surprised to find so called 'amateur' pc users blowing your tracks away. my little prediction - akai will bring out their top flight s-series sampler on a 300 pound pci card within 2 years, with individual outs and everything... maybe even a drive-bay control panel! cheerio! np - the way - global communication (1 minute to make.. yeah ok, see you when you wake up) \/\/\/\/\/+++++''''|||| REST YOUR EARS, HAVE NO FEARS, DRINK SOME BEERS, SHED SOME TEARS salford sounds, the phriendly fonographic phun-loving label for the noughties.. ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE, said the model to the soap star ----- --------
1997-09-01 22:04Oblique HostilityOn Sun, 31 Aug 1997, grouch wrote: > > my little prediction - akai will bring out their to
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quoted 5 lines my little prediction - akai will bring out their top flight s-series> > my little prediction - akai will bring out their top flight s-series > sampler on a 300 pound pci card within 2 years, with individual outs and > everything... maybe even a drive-bay control panel! >
Nah. Won't happen. It's not really relevant to IDM, except tangentially, but Akai knows less than zero about PCs. Witness the fact that they've never finished Mesa for the PC. I use soundcards for sampling on my PC, and I do take my computer out live. But I also just got an S1000, and I find that it's easier to make useful patches on than the computer. Of course the Turtle Beach Pinnacle I use has lots of wacky possibilities and if anything sounds better than the Akai. --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Psyche manifests as psychic through something we call 'winding', because it twists, and puts things that were far apart next to each other, complicatedly, taffywise." -- winona on channel 78 Kent Williams kent@inav.net -- http://soli.inav.net/~kent
1997-08-31 15:41....> The advantage of samplers is that even though computers can do > everything and > more t
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quoted 17 lines The advantage of samplers is that even though computers can do> The advantage of samplers is that even though computers can do > everything and > more that samplers can do, samplers are much much more faster. Another > thing > is you don't have to worry about your hard drive filling up, > proccessing > power, and most importantly sound quality. A sound card is not > designed for > professional sampling (unless of course you buy a sound card that is, > and in > which case, you're buying a smapler in a way) not to mention, if > you're going > to do it straight computer, like RDJ does now, you've got to get a > very good > audio interface to go with that wonderful soundcard that will also > cost you > another few hundred dollars.
hmm not quite a few hundred dollars! the card which aphex uses cost about2000 UK pounds ($3200).... and god knows how much pro tools is selling for these days....... oh and my Akai is definately not faster than my PC! sure it can do stuff that i currently cant do with my PC efficiently, i.e. midi control, but functions such as timestretch and resample take twice as long. Steve /k/./F/
1997-08-31 18:14wellsAt 04:41 PM 8/31/97 +0100, .... wrote: >hmm not quite a few hundred dollars! the card whic
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At 04:41 PM 8/31/97 +0100, .... wrote:
quoted 12 lines hmm not quite a few hundred dollars! the card which aphex uses cost>hmm not quite a few hundred dollars! the card which aphex uses cost >about2000 UK pounds ($3200).... and god knows how much pro tools is >selling for these >days....... oh and my Akai is definately not faster than >my PC! sure it can do stuff that i currently cant do with my PC >efficiently, >i.e. midi control, but functions such as timestretch and resample take >twice as long. > >Steve > >/k/./F/
do you know what soundcard it is that rdj uses? np: joyrex 'popcorn' - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu " when our worlds they fall apart when the walls come tumbling in though we may deserve it it will be worth it."
1997-09-01 00:09Tim GillI make music solely on my computer, and it works fine. I had a 486-33 up until about a yea
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I make music solely on my computer, and it works fine. I had a 486-33 up until about a year ago, and it worked fine as long as I was using only 8-bit samples. But I got a Pentium-100 and 16-bit samples work just fine. And as for RAM, unless I'm doing vocals, I almost never use more than 3 megs of the 32 I've actually got. It all depends on how large the samples are. At 09:16 PM 8/30/97 -0700, Chris &/or Rebecca wrote:
quoted 20 lines Some things to consider in the computer v. sampler debate. Computers>Some things to consider in the computer v. sampler debate. Computers >are hard to lug around if you want to perform live. Second, you need a >FAST computer to really take full advantage of digital audio on the >computer-my 486PC isn't even fast enough to run most of the basic >sequencers that include digital audio. Sound cards with sample ram are >another issue, and because I don't have one I won't comment. > >Just wanted to throw in a comment, because I think choosing between the >two is NOT such an easy thing. > >Chris > >np. Plug Reseach Compilation > >GamePrg. wrote: >> >> On Saturday, 30-Aug-97, PLeXitMIND@aol.com wrote [about (idm) >> Aphex/Autechre/Gear question?]: >> >sound editing programs, ect... My question is do these groups still use >> >samplers or do they just load there samples directly into there
computers and
quoted 2 lines tweak them with the software available? Are there things that a sampler can>> >tweak them with the software available? Are there things that a sampler can >> >do that computers can not? Or does a computer with the right programs
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quoted 17 lines sampler obselete?>> >sampler obselete? >> >> computers have been sampling sound WAY before samplers came out. >> >> You can buy samplers for Amigas, and for PC's, well all sound cards have the >> ability to sample just as good quality as any sampler and for way less than >> the multi-thousands of dollars that samplers cost.. I don't reckon I'll ever >> buy a sampler (of the non-computer variety). >> >> __ >> __\ \ >> / /_\ \ >> \_____/ >> >> www.freq-div.home.ml.org > >
1997-09-01 03:36Chris &/or RebeccaDon't really disagree with the points below, BUT most poeple lug their expensive computer
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Don't really disagree with the points below, BUT most poeple lug their expensive computer to shows to just click in and out pre-sequenced loops - something you can do with an $80 MMT8. If that's all you're going to do why take the chance of killing an expenisive computer? Granted, if your going to run programs like MAX, which can be programmed to incredible things with MIDI, video, et. then there is a reason to lug that computer. However, programs like MAX, Csound, et. seem confined to experimental & academic music. My main point was: if you had nothing and wanted to get started in dance music a sampling workstation is a competitive buy. A current computer system is going to be a BIG chunk of change before you add sound card, sequencing software, digital editing software et. The Ensoniq, Kurzweil. et. come with everything you need for less that the computer itself. Last of all, most of the good shows I've seen ( this is only MY opinion ) were put on with a minimal hardware setup -Seq+sampler+mixer(Dr Walker) or Sampler+drum machine+mixer(Autchre) or Kurzweil Sampling Keyboard(John Tejada) or Sampler+drum machine+hardware Sequencer(Jonah Sharp). There is a reason these are used - they're geared to performance. A computer is an inelegant thing to use live unless you have add-on items like the Peavey MIDI mixer-otherwise you spend all you time bent over the computer clicking the mouse-not very exciting. Chris ps- some people can't afford to update their computer every 2 or 3 years, mine whas state of the art when I got it. np Nocturnal Emissions-invocatio bestiae dei grouch wrote:
quoted 47 lines At 21:16 30/08/97 -0700, you wrote:> > At 21:16 30/08/97 -0700, you wrote: > >Some things to consider in the computer v. sampler debate. Computers > >are hard to lug around if you want to perform live. > > yeah but most people are going to take a computer anyway, to run their > sequencer! > > >Second, you need a > >FAST computer to really take full advantage of digital audio on the > >computer-my 486PC isn't even fast enough to run most of the basic > >sequencers that include digital audio. > > but 486 machines haven't been on sale now for at least a year, so that is > pretty old technology now > > >Sound cards with sample ram are > >another issue, and because I don't have one I won't comment. > > i do, it's only a 70 quid awe32 and you can do more or less anything with it > > >Just wanted to throw in a comment, because I think choosing between the > >two is NOT such an easy thing. > > i mean, when you consider the prices of the two kinds of sampler, they > shouldn't really compare to each other! thing is, they do, on plenty of > points. if you want to spend 8 times as much money just to get individual > outs, and maybe slightly better sampling quality, that's ok, but don't be > surprised to find so called 'amateur' pc users blowing your tracks away. > > my little prediction - akai will bring out their top flight s-series > sampler on a 300 pound pci card within 2 years, with individual outs and > everything... maybe even a drive-bay control panel! > > cheerio! > > np - the way - global communication (1 minute to make.. yeah ok, see you > when you wake up) > > \/\/\/\/\/+++++''''|||| > REST YOUR EARS, HAVE NO FEARS, DRINK SOME BEERS, SHED SOME TEARS > > salford sounds, the phriendly fonographic phun-loving label > for the noughties.. > > ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE, said the model to the soap star > ----- --------
1997-09-02 23:55Brett McCormickI don't understand why mice are used in this fasion -- incredibly inefficient. If I was to
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I don't understand why mice are used in this fasion -- incredibly inefficient. If I was to do a live gig with a computer, I would certainly want everything to be keyboard controlled. Think about entering notes into a tracker with a mouse.. I won't even start to talk about programs that force you to drag notes around on a staff.. yeesh! On Sun, 31 August 1997, at 20:36:43, Chris &/or Rebecca wrote:
quoted 4 lines There is a reason these are used - they're geared to performance. A> There is a reason these are used - they're geared to performance. A > computer is an inelegant thing to use live unless you have add-on items > like the Peavey MIDI mixer-otherwise you spend all you time bent over > the computer clicking the mouse-not very exciting.
1997-09-06 22:20grouchAt 13:26 06/09/97 EST4EDT, you wrote: >On Sunday, 31-Aug-97, Chris &/or Rebecca wrote [abo
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At 13:26 06/09/97 EST4EDT, you wrote:
quoted 4 lines On Sunday, 31-Aug-97, Chris &/or Rebecca wrote [about Re: (idm)>On Sunday, 31-Aug-97, Chris &/or Rebecca wrote [about Re: (idm) >Aphex/Autechre/Gear question?]: >>Some things to consider in the computer v. sampler debate. Computers >>are hard to lug around if you want to perform live. Second, you need a
quoted 2 lines yeah, and so is lots of gear :) and eventually I plan to get a laptop to do>yeah, and so is lots of gear :) and eventually I plan to get a laptop to do >all the stuff that my computer would do.
yeah i will cherish the day they bring out the awe32 in a pcmcia version with ram sockets cheerio! np - it's a sky cycle honey - afx \/\/\/\/\/+++++''''|||| YOUR'E GRANNY WOULN'DT LIKE IT salford sounds, the phriendly fonographic phun-loving label for the noughties.. http://www.sub-con-geo.demon.co.uk/migration.ram ----- --------