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1997-08-23 01:47argosAt 18:14 22/08/97 -0500, you wrote: >>what's this idea about syncing things then? what are

From:: argos <artist@sub-con-geo.demon.co.uk>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 02:47:05 +0100
Subject:: Re: (idm) coldcut

At 18:14 22/08/97 -0500, you wrote:

quoted 2 lines what's this idea about syncing things then? what are you on about?

>>what's this idea about syncing things then? what are you on about? >>everything that you hear on RDJ is absolutely as it was intended.

quoted 1 line Syncing as in on beat.

>Syncing as in on beat.

i still can't make out what you mean

quoted 1 line Even funk players play on beat

>Even funk players play on beat

is that so? EVEN funk players? on beat.. did you grow up listening to marching bands or something?

quoted 1 line or on the back beat with some shuffle.

>or on the back beat with some shuffle.

oh RIIIGHT so a 'funky' beat is just a regular beat with some shuffle.. my casio vl-tone is great, it has a 'waltz' rhythm, a 'disco' rhythm and quite a few others. when i want something 'lively' i pick a disco rhythm and when i want something 'chilled out' i might have rhumba, or waltz if i'm in an experimental mood in other words (just to state the obvious to humourless americans) the concepts of 16ths, 32nds, and 'funk' only apply in the cheesy world of midi files, elevator muzak and musical car-horns. WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS EXPERIMENTAL MUSIC which does not have any dos or donts, no mathematical guidelines to decide what is correct rhythm and what is 'sloppy'. if rdj's particular form of rhythm programming cannot compute with you, or loud 'shrieks' hurt your poor little head, it's nobody's fault but your own

quoted 1 line RDJ showcases some sloppy programming.

>RDJ showcases some sloppy programming.

i can't even begin to find words to describe the feeling of disdain i feel at the moment for the future of the human race. i weep openly at the thought of your offspring

quoted 1 line If that's what was intended, fine.

>If that's what was intended, fine.

right well in that case shut up, cos it's patently obvious that you haven't got a clue

quoted 1 line If he's laughing at the people who bought it, so am I.

>If he's laughing at the people who bought it, so am I.

three questions: HOW can you go through your life with this legoland view of music? why aren't people on the list attacking the utter bollocks being spouted by this madman? cheerio! np - circuit 2 - heatsink \/\/\/\/\/+++++''''|||| AVANT-GARDE NOISE TREMBLING NOISE UNIT ---/\_ phabulous phreeky fone filosophy, on the way soon from salford sounds mr svinsdig, mr jones and silicon vortex to follow CIGAR SMOKERS UNITE £575 ----- --------

1997-08-23 04:35Zenon M. FeszczakAt 2:47 AM +0100 8/23/97, you wrote: >(just to state the obvious to humourless americans)

From:: Zenon M. Feszczak <feszczak@sas.upenn.edu>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:35:29 -0400
Subject:: Re: (idm) coldcut
Reply to:: Re: (idm) coldcut

At 2:47 AM +0100 8/23/97, you wrote:

quoted 1 line (just to state the obvious to humourless americans)

>(just to state the obvious to humourless americans)

What's this then, a joke at our expense? Whaddaya mean by that precisely? Being funny or something? Why I oughtta... Best of everything to you, unless it's something that I want, in which case, second best of everything to you - Zenon M. Feszczak Illologist P.S. Superfluous idm content: Just say no to tribal chant samples. P.P.S. If one million monkees banged on one million 808s for one million years, would we have Richard James, or just one million trainspotting gearheads crying like vapid toddlers over the wanton destruction of increasingly rare and artificially hyperinflated kit? U.P.S. Can you sell art without selling out art? P.M.S. Any philosophy which can be put in a nutshell probably belongs there. (Author forgotten). H.M.S. If anyone can do it, why didn't ya?

1997-08-25 18:42Random Junkargos writes: > in other words (just to state the obvious to humourless americans) the > c

From:: Random Junk <jsd@gamespot.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:42:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) coldcut
Reply to:: Re: (idm) coldcut

argos writes:

quoted 3 lines in other words (just to state the obvious to humourless americans) the

> in other words (just to state the obvious to humourless americans) the > concepts of 16ths, 32nds, and 'funk' only apply in the cheesy world of midi > files, elevator muzak and musical car-horns.

you are a fool. 16th notes have been around since people started notating music on paper.

quoted 1 line HOW can you go through your life with this legoland view of music?

> HOW can you go through your life with this legoland view of music?

there's two things you can achieve with "sloppy" programming: 1) you can sound engagingly warm and human 2) you can sound like you don't know how to run your gear guess which one i think rdj is? even perfectly quantized midi music is subject to lots of imperfection. midi isn't a magic cureall. unfortunately it dates from the days when computers were a good deal slower than they are now, so it's really too slow for a lot of things. in addition, midi is a serial protocol, which is not how music works. it takes 900ns to send a midi "note on" command. the human brain is capable of spotting two sounds as "distinct" when they are separated by as little as 1ms. if you send midi commands to play kick, snare & hat all at once, you are really sending 9 bytes that take several ms to get interpreted and played by your gear. lots of well known synths have their own delays in processing and playing midi notes too. it adds up to slop. when i worked at opcode, i spent hours talking about these problems with the programmers. i know some tricks & techniques to help cut through the slop and get a tight groove but it isn't as simple as hitting a button. when i hear sloppy tracks i think the person making them just doesn't care enough to get it right. so why should i waste my time? -- Jon Drukman jsd@gamespot.com SpotMedia Communications ...I was an infinitely hot and dense dot...

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