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1997-07-26 22:12Christopher Fahey (idm) Panasonic Live
├─ 1997-07-28 19:46Pete Ashdown Re: (idm) Panasonic Live
└─ 1997-07-29 15:08neuromx (idm) Panasonic in MTL
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1997-07-26 22:12Christopher FaheySaw Panasonic last night in NYC. First act was DJ spooky and some guitarist making a SHITL
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Sat, 26 Jul 1997 18:12:54 -0400
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(idm) Panasonic Live
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Saw Panasonic last night in NYC. First act was DJ spooky and some guitarist making a SHITLOAD OF FUCKING NOISE to a room half full of people on the floor. Afterwards I peeked at Spooky's stack of records on the stage - on the top of the stack - his own fucking record! Then came Blond Redhead, a cute alternative rock trio which inexplicably played between two electronic noise acts... Ho hum... Panasonic was great. They look so cool on stage too, so commanding, just messing with their little decks, facing right out at us. Its cool to see two guys on a stage making so much noise without having to bang on guitars and stuff. They seemed to be improvising most of their material, twiddling with knobs until they had a groove then going with it for a bit, then moving on to some other noise and bleeps. They opened with the off-tempo beat that was kickin, went into some noise, back to a groove, etc. The last ten minutes of the show seemed to be a kind of a beatless noise rut from which, unfortunately, they could not extricate themselves. They seemed to operate on this tension-release system, where the white noise and arrhythmic bleeps would seem to slowly evolve into beats, but not quite... teasing you into thinking you would be rewarded with a groove... then, if you were good, you would get your groove and all would be sweet as long as they let you have your groove, then the beat would dissolve back into the analog bleepy wash, only to come out again later... I was dancing, but most of the crowd was just watching them, many of them with their fingers in their ears. Those of you who are worried about the mainstreaming of electronic acts don't have to worry - as long as the IDM crowds stay so boring, tight assed and stiff, we can be suire the music will stay esoteric and the artists will stay poor. I asked the Panasonic guys afterwards if they usually get people dancing more, and they said no. They seemed to be embarassed by the question, as if they thought that dancing was bad. Although Panasonic is sometimes lumped into the techno category, and although their grooves are clearly house music influenced, they and their fans still appear to suffer from the same snotty problem that this entire IDM mailing list is founded on: That there is "intelligent" dance music and there is "unintelligent" dance music. And too often this breaks down to meaning that intelligent dance music is too good to actually dance to, unlike dumb dance music like house. By the way, one thing I'm noticing more and more at IDM type shows is the total lack of diversity in the crowd. At this show, the first thing I noticed was that besides the doorman and DJ spooky, there appeared to be no black people in the house. When I'm in an environment like that I have to ask myself why it is that way... The promoters of these events market them like they were alternative rock head nodding events, and to be honest Blond Redhead had a bigger crowd than Panasonic. It would be cool for Panasonic to play with an act that really actually is about dancing like maybe Daft Punk. Nah, maybe not - just like most Panasonic fans don't know they are listening to techno, most Daft Punk fans probably don't even know that they are listening to old school purebred house music. I'll bet Daft Punk shows are just as boring. IDM should be more fun! I had fun, and all I had was a flask of rum in my pocket. What's the solution? Strobe lights? -CF
1997-07-28 19:46Pete AshdownChristopher Fahey said once upon a time: >That there >is "intelligent" dance music and the
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Mon, 28 Jul 1997 13:46:27 -0600 (MDT)
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Christopher Fahey said once upon a time:
quoted 4 lines That there>That there >is "intelligent" dance music and there is "unintelligent" dance music. And >too often this breaks down to meaning that intelligent dance music is too >good to actually dance to, unlike dumb dance music like house.
Screw that idea. People who want to stand around or sit to electronic music (ambient aside) should be listening to Vangelis or Yanni. The whole reason I became interested in techno is that it is a hell of a lot more fun to move to than industrial or alternative. If artistic acceptance means standing around then I'm happy listening to the trash that has a decent beat.
quoted 2 lines IDM should be more fun! I had fun, and all I had was a flask of rum in my>IDM should be more fun! I had fun, and all I had was a flask of rum in my >pocket. What's the solution? Strobe lights?
Hear hear. The solution is a lack of weiners in the scene who can't dance. One of my pet peeves are DJs who stand around watching the other DJs instead of dancing. The first time I saw the Orb, Thrash maniacally danced in the audience while Alex DJ'd after the show. That is the way it should be. Bring on the ridiculous outfits.
1997-07-29 15:08neuromxMontreal, Quebec ....August 3 5$ at Velvet PANASONIC..........live & Abe DUQUE............
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Tue, 29 Jul 1997 10:08:46 -0500
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Montreal, Quebec ....August 3 5$ at Velvet PANASONIC..........live & Abe DUQUE............Kirlian Be there !!!!!!