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◇ merged from 3 subjects: (idm) panasonic in mtl · (idm) panasonic live · (idm) panasonic machines
1997-07-26 22:12Christopher Fahey (idm) Panasonic Live
├─ 1997-07-28 19:46Pete Ashdown Re: (idm) Panasonic Live
└─ 1997-07-29 15:08neuromx (idm) Panasonic in MTL
1997-07-27 01:30blipvert Re: (idm) Panasonic Live
├─ 1997-07-27 02:52Solenoid Re: (idm) Panasonic Live
└─ 1997-07-27 11:29Thaddi Herrmann Re: (idm) Panasonic Live
1997-07-27 13:08.... (idm) Panasonic Machines
└─ 1997-07-29 04:57john/bergmayer Re: (idm) Panasonic Machines
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1997-07-26 22:12Christopher FaheySaw Panasonic last night in NYC. First act was DJ spooky and some guitarist making a SHITL
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Christopher Fahey
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Sat, 26 Jul 1997 18:12:54 -0400
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(idm) Panasonic Live
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Saw Panasonic last night in NYC. First act was DJ spooky and some guitarist making a SHITLOAD OF FUCKING NOISE to a room half full of people on the floor. Afterwards I peeked at Spooky's stack of records on the stage - on the top of the stack - his own fucking record! Then came Blond Redhead, a cute alternative rock trio which inexplicably played between two electronic noise acts... Ho hum... Panasonic was great. They look so cool on stage too, so commanding, just messing with their little decks, facing right out at us. Its cool to see two guys on a stage making so much noise without having to bang on guitars and stuff. They seemed to be improvising most of their material, twiddling with knobs until they had a groove then going with it for a bit, then moving on to some other noise and bleeps. They opened with the off-tempo beat that was kickin, went into some noise, back to a groove, etc. The last ten minutes of the show seemed to be a kind of a beatless noise rut from which, unfortunately, they could not extricate themselves. They seemed to operate on this tension-release system, where the white noise and arrhythmic bleeps would seem to slowly evolve into beats, but not quite... teasing you into thinking you would be rewarded with a groove... then, if you were good, you would get your groove and all would be sweet as long as they let you have your groove, then the beat would dissolve back into the analog bleepy wash, only to come out again later... I was dancing, but most of the crowd was just watching them, many of them with their fingers in their ears. Those of you who are worried about the mainstreaming of electronic acts don't have to worry - as long as the IDM crowds stay so boring, tight assed and stiff, we can be suire the music will stay esoteric and the artists will stay poor. I asked the Panasonic guys afterwards if they usually get people dancing more, and they said no. They seemed to be embarassed by the question, as if they thought that dancing was bad. Although Panasonic is sometimes lumped into the techno category, and although their grooves are clearly house music influenced, they and their fans still appear to suffer from the same snotty problem that this entire IDM mailing list is founded on: That there is "intelligent" dance music and there is "unintelligent" dance music. And too often this breaks down to meaning that intelligent dance music is too good to actually dance to, unlike dumb dance music like house. By the way, one thing I'm noticing more and more at IDM type shows is the total lack of diversity in the crowd. At this show, the first thing I noticed was that besides the doorman and DJ spooky, there appeared to be no black people in the house. When I'm in an environment like that I have to ask myself why it is that way... The promoters of these events market them like they were alternative rock head nodding events, and to be honest Blond Redhead had a bigger crowd than Panasonic. It would be cool for Panasonic to play with an act that really actually is about dancing like maybe Daft Punk. Nah, maybe not - just like most Panasonic fans don't know they are listening to techno, most Daft Punk fans probably don't even know that they are listening to old school purebred house music. I'll bet Daft Punk shows are just as boring. IDM should be more fun! I had fun, and all I had was a flask of rum in my pocket. What's the solution? Strobe lights? -CF
1997-07-28 19:46Pete AshdownChristopher Fahey said once upon a time: >That there >is "intelligent" dance music and the
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Pete Ashdown
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Christopher Fahey
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Mon, 28 Jul 1997 13:46:27 -0600 (MDT)
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Re: (idm) Panasonic Live
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Christopher Fahey said once upon a time:
quoted 4 lines That there>That there >is "intelligent" dance music and there is "unintelligent" dance music. And >too often this breaks down to meaning that intelligent dance music is too >good to actually dance to, unlike dumb dance music like house.
Screw that idea. People who want to stand around or sit to electronic music (ambient aside) should be listening to Vangelis or Yanni. The whole reason I became interested in techno is that it is a hell of a lot more fun to move to than industrial or alternative. If artistic acceptance means standing around then I'm happy listening to the trash that has a decent beat.
quoted 2 lines IDM should be more fun! I had fun, and all I had was a flask of rum in my>IDM should be more fun! I had fun, and all I had was a flask of rum in my >pocket. What's the solution? Strobe lights?
Hear hear. The solution is a lack of weiners in the scene who can't dance. One of my pet peeves are DJs who stand around watching the other DJs instead of dancing. The first time I saw the Orb, Thrash maniacally danced in the audience while Alex DJ'd after the show. That is the way it should be. Bring on the ridiculous outfits.
1997-07-29 15:08neuromxMontreal, Quebec ....August 3 5$ at Velvet PANASONIC..........live & Abe DUQUE............
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Tue, 29 Jul 1997 10:08:46 -0500
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(idm) Panasonic in MTL
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Montreal, Quebec ....August 3 5$ at Velvet PANASONIC..........live & Abe DUQUE............Kirlian Be there !!!!!!
1997-07-27 01:30blipvertChristopher Fahey wrote: > Saw Panasonic last night in NYC. What was their gear list? I am
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Christopher Fahey , idm
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Sat, 26 Jul 1997 20:30:52 -0500
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Re: (idm) Panasonic Live
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Christopher Fahey wrote:
quoted 1 line Saw Panasonic last night in NYC.> Saw Panasonic last night in NYC.
What was their gear list? I am curious what they use to make their beats and noise.
1997-07-27 02:52SolenoidOn Sat, 26 Jul 1997, blipvert wrote: > Christopher Fahey wrote: > > > Saw Panasonic last n
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blipvert
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Christopher Fahey , idm
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Sat, 26 Jul 1997 19:52:08 -0700 (PDT)
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Re: (idm) Panasonic Live
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On Sat, 26 Jul 1997, blipvert wrote:
quoted 6 lines Christopher Fahey wrote:> Christopher Fahey wrote: > > > Saw Panasonic last night in NYC. > > What was their gear list? I am curious what they use to make their > beats and noise.
Yes, there are some 808-ish sounds on Kulma, and earlier works. Plus the 0 "metri" has this "jl-csg" pair of trax. (based on the history of synth-naming-schemes, I'd guess this JL's Computerized Sound Generator) The modules pictured on the "Kulma" sleeves look like a sound generator (short thingie) and a cv-sequencer (I guess this because the knobs are strangely not labelled and thus probably steps in a sequence rather than timbral parameters.) Also, did you notice that the lower module is mounted in what looks like a typewriter case! What a great idea... The tube picture on the back of the sleeve could be any old amp, really... The range of sounds I've heard on 0/Panasonic stuff suggests an 808 and a simple semi modular (Roland 100m?) monosynth (very patchable though) and (most importantly) an especially well-explored digital efx box like that 4-channel Ensoniq thingie. Also, there is a crude overdriving mixer/amp somewhere in the setup. I'm skeptical that the homemade-looking device pictured on the inner sleeve of Kulma necessarily had to be used to make the trax. More of a tribute to some local gearhead is my guess. Anyway, Mika Vainio certainly didn't need a sampler to do the stuff he's released. Regardless of my speculations, I don't know what he/they _actually_ used... !Panasonic are the masters of gated reverbs, esp in combo with dry sounds! Disclaimer: I just returned from the biggest US brewers festival HQ, conveniently 3 stories above my music studio/loft... (hic) (buhuuuurrrrrrp) Solenoid (chilled, lightly stirred, just openned up his 202...) (hic)
1997-07-27 11:29Thaddi Herrmann> Christopher Fahey wrote: > > > Saw Panasonic last night in NYC. > > What was their gear
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Sun, 27 Jul 1997 11:29:58 +0000
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quoted 6 lines Christopher Fahey wrote:> Christopher Fahey wrote: > > > Saw Panasonic last night in NYC. > > What was their gear list? I am curious what they use to make their > beats and noise.
They used an 808 in Berlin - that's for sure. Thaddi, un flaneur electronique --------------------------------------------------- Beauty exists only in struggle. http://www.haywire.co.uk/dhr/sonicsubjunkies.html
1997-07-27 13:08....> Christopher Fahey wrote: > > > Saw Panasonic last night in NYC. > > What was their gear
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Sun, 27 Jul 1997 14:08:39 +0100
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(idm) Panasonic Machines
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quoted 6 lines Christopher Fahey wrote:> Christopher Fahey wrote: > > > Saw Panasonic last night in NYC. > > What was their gear list? I am curious what they use to make their > beats and noise.
When i saw them a few years back they were using a Roland SH-101 and anEMS Synthi-Aks amongst others, The EMS is an incredbile synth which comes inside this little suitcase... every time i heard an amazing noise it was coming out of the Synthi, In fact its quite a favourite with a lot of 'idm' artists, Aphex uses one loads, he filters most of his drums through his synthi or his Korg ms-20, they both have a very distinctive filter. In fact the synthi was on the front cover of the early Mo-wax record Major Force West 'The time has come / Martian Economics" it has a great little modulation matrix which looks like a game of battleships....erm space battleships! I want a synthi.... if you had one id kill you for it (this is aimed at everyone BTW) Steve /k/./F/
1997-07-29 04:57john/bergmayeri would like detailed reviews of magnet f please. i think they will open for panasonic in
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Mon, 28 Jul 1997 21:57:10 -0700 (MST)
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Re: (idm) Panasonic Machines
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(idm) Panasonic Machines
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i would like detailed reviews of magnet f please. i think they will open for panasonic in cleveland. they are my friends. their cd is not any good despite the reviews it got. i told them, at lest vclm, what songs to put on the album and my advice was ignored. anyway, please tell me. ok, the cd isn't that bad but it needed more work than it got. ok. ok. dave, your opinion doesn't count. ok. ok. ok.