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1997-07-26 22:12Christopher Fahey (idm) Panasonic Live
├─ 1997-07-28 19:46Pete Ashdown Re: (idm) Panasonic Live
└─ 1997-07-29 15:08neuromx (idm) Panasonic in MTL
1997-07-27 00:11Gonzi (Fresh) Re: (idm) Panasonic Live
1997-07-27 01:36blipvert Re: (idm) Panasonic Live(beats like buttah)
├─ 1997-07-27 01:37Nate Harrison [Digital Magician Inc] Re: (idm) Panasonic Live(beats like buttah)
├─ 1997-07-27 02:04Eric Frans (idm) IDM funk
│ └─ 1997-07-27 22:50Arjun Mendiratta Re: (idm) IDM funk
│ └─ 1997-07-28 23:05Mark Kolmar Re: (idm) IDM funk
├─ 1997-07-27 02:55Solenoid Re: (idm) Panasonic Live(beats like buttah)
├─ 1997-07-27 05:06maker of all (idm) Funky IDM (was Panasonic Live(beats like buttah))
│ └─ 1997-07-28 19:54William D. VanLoo Re: (idm) Funky IDM
└─ 1997-07-28 14:43Zenon M. Feszczak Re: (idm) Panasonic Live(beats like buttah)
1997-07-27 02:33Steve Dolphyn Re: (idm) Panasonic Live(beats like buttah)
├─ 1997-07-27 19:09Ben Coffer Re: (idm) Panasonic Live(beats like buttah)
└─ 1997-07-27 21:43wesley@interaccess.com Re: (idm) Panasonic Live(beats like buttah)
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1997-07-26 22:12Christopher FaheySaw Panasonic last night in NYC. First act was DJ spooky and some guitarist making a SHITL
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Saw Panasonic last night in NYC. First act was DJ spooky and some guitarist making a SHITLOAD OF FUCKING NOISE to a room half full of people on the floor. Afterwards I peeked at Spooky's stack of records on the stage - on the top of the stack - his own fucking record! Then came Blond Redhead, a cute alternative rock trio which inexplicably played between two electronic noise acts... Ho hum... Panasonic was great. They look so cool on stage too, so commanding, just messing with their little decks, facing right out at us. Its cool to see two guys on a stage making so much noise without having to bang on guitars and stuff. They seemed to be improvising most of their material, twiddling with knobs until they had a groove then going with it for a bit, then moving on to some other noise and bleeps. They opened with the off-tempo beat that was kickin, went into some noise, back to a groove, etc. The last ten minutes of the show seemed to be a kind of a beatless noise rut from which, unfortunately, they could not extricate themselves. They seemed to operate on this tension-release system, where the white noise and arrhythmic bleeps would seem to slowly evolve into beats, but not quite... teasing you into thinking you would be rewarded with a groove... then, if you were good, you would get your groove and all would be sweet as long as they let you have your groove, then the beat would dissolve back into the analog bleepy wash, only to come out again later... I was dancing, but most of the crowd was just watching them, many of them with their fingers in their ears. Those of you who are worried about the mainstreaming of electronic acts don't have to worry - as long as the IDM crowds stay so boring, tight assed and stiff, we can be suire the music will stay esoteric and the artists will stay poor. I asked the Panasonic guys afterwards if they usually get people dancing more, and they said no. They seemed to be embarassed by the question, as if they thought that dancing was bad. Although Panasonic is sometimes lumped into the techno category, and although their grooves are clearly house music influenced, they and their fans still appear to suffer from the same snotty problem that this entire IDM mailing list is founded on: That there is "intelligent" dance music and there is "unintelligent" dance music. And too often this breaks down to meaning that intelligent dance music is too good to actually dance to, unlike dumb dance music like house. By the way, one thing I'm noticing more and more at IDM type shows is the total lack of diversity in the crowd. At this show, the first thing I noticed was that besides the doorman and DJ spooky, there appeared to be no black people in the house. When I'm in an environment like that I have to ask myself why it is that way... The promoters of these events market them like they were alternative rock head nodding events, and to be honest Blond Redhead had a bigger crowd than Panasonic. It would be cool for Panasonic to play with an act that really actually is about dancing like maybe Daft Punk. Nah, maybe not - just like most Panasonic fans don't know they are listening to techno, most Daft Punk fans probably don't even know that they are listening to old school purebred house music. I'll bet Daft Punk shows are just as boring. IDM should be more fun! I had fun, and all I had was a flask of rum in my pocket. What's the solution? Strobe lights? -CF
1997-07-28 19:46Pete AshdownChristopher Fahey said once upon a time: >That there >is "intelligent" dance music and the
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Christopher Fahey said once upon a time:
quoted 4 lines That there>That there >is "intelligent" dance music and there is "unintelligent" dance music. And >too often this breaks down to meaning that intelligent dance music is too >good to actually dance to, unlike dumb dance music like house.
Screw that idea. People who want to stand around or sit to electronic music (ambient aside) should be listening to Vangelis or Yanni. The whole reason I became interested in techno is that it is a hell of a lot more fun to move to than industrial or alternative. If artistic acceptance means standing around then I'm happy listening to the trash that has a decent beat.
quoted 2 lines IDM should be more fun! I had fun, and all I had was a flask of rum in my>IDM should be more fun! I had fun, and all I had was a flask of rum in my >pocket. What's the solution? Strobe lights?
Hear hear. The solution is a lack of weiners in the scene who can't dance. One of my pet peeves are DJs who stand around watching the other DJs instead of dancing. The first time I saw the Orb, Thrash maniacally danced in the audience while Alex DJ'd after the show. That is the way it should be. Bring on the ridiculous outfits.
1997-07-29 15:08neuromxMontreal, Quebec ....August 3 5$ at Velvet PANASONIC..........live & Abe DUQUE............
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Montreal, Quebec ....August 3 5$ at Velvet PANASONIC..........live & Abe DUQUE............Kirlian Be there !!!!!!
1997-07-27 00:11Gonzi (Fresh)> By the way, one thing I'm noticing more and more at IDM type shows is the > total lack o
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quoted 6 lines By the way, one thing I'm noticing more and more at IDM type shows is the> By the way, one thing I'm noticing more and more at IDM type shows is the > total lack of diversity in the crowd. At this show, the first thing I > noticed was that besides the doorman and DJ spooky, there appeared to be no > black people in the house. When I'm in an environment like that I have to > ask myself why it is that way... >
Errr...cause IDM is wack-ass white boy music. No getting around it. Is it so suprising that there are no brothers in the house when there are less than a handful of black IDM artists outside of Detroit (not counting the uk junglists)? Oh well. _____ / ,-,_) /,_) (/ RESH Live & Direct from the G-Spot, Orange County, California, USA **http://www1.linkonline.net/fresh/fresh.htm** <-New and Improved!!!
1997-07-27 01:36blipvertGonzi (Fresh) wrote: > > By the way, one thing I'm noticing more and more at IDM type show
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Gonzi (Fresh) wrote:
quoted 11 lines By the way, one thing I'm noticing more and more at IDM type shows> > By the way, one thing I'm noticing more and more at IDM type shows > is the > > total lack of diversity in the crowd. At this show, the first thing > I > > noticed was that besides the doorman and DJ spooky, there appeared > to be no > > black people in the house. When I'm in an environment like that I > have to > > ask myself why it is that way... > > > Errr...cause IDM is wack-ass white boy music. No getting around it.
This is *exactly* what we should be growing beyond. I listen toIDM (i still hate that term) among my funk and hip-hop tunes. My criticism of idm isalways the lack of funk. Some Clear releases are an exception but not many. Hey, how about a thread about idm with some funk to it. I'll start the list with Doktor Rockit. Who's next?
1997-07-27 01:37Nate Harrison [Digital Magician Inc]Inter racial funk: 69 "My Machines" Richard H. Kirk "Lost Souls on Funk" Jacob's Optical S
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Inter racial funk: 69 "My Machines" Richard H. Kirk "Lost Souls on Funk" Jacob's Optical Stairway "harsh realitys" Plug "Brave Lick" peace Nate On Sat, 26 Jul 1997, blipvert wrote:
quoted 21 lines Gonzi (Fresh) wrote:> Gonzi (Fresh) wrote: > > > > By the way, one thing I'm noticing more and more at IDM type shows > > is the > > > total lack of diversity in the crowd. At this show, the first thing > > I > > > noticed was that besides the doorman and DJ spooky, there appeared > > to be no > > > black people in the house. When I'm in an environment like that I > > have to > > > ask myself why it is that way... > > > > > Errr...cause IDM is wack-ass white boy music. No getting around it. > > This is *exactly* what we should be growing beyond. I listen toIDM (i > still hate that term) among my funk and hip-hop tunes. My > criticism of idm isalways the lack of funk. Some Clear releases are an > exception but not many. Hey, how about a thread about idm with > some funk to it. I'll start the list with Doktor Rockit.. Who's next? > >
Nate Harrison Digital Magician Inc. www.digimagician.com nate@digimagician.com 313.994.7316
1997-07-27 02:04Eric FransOn Sat, 26 Jul 1997, blipvert wrote: } } This is *exactly* what we should be growing beyon
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On Sat, 26 Jul 1997, blipvert wrote: } } This is *exactly* what we should be growing beyond. I listen toIDM (i } still hate that term) among my funk and hip-hop tunes. My } criticism of idm isalways the lack of funk. Some Clear releases are an } exception but not many. Hey, how about a thread about idm with } some funk to it. I'll start the list with Doktor Rockit. Who's next? Mono Trademark (aka Atom Heart) Pushbutton Objects (on Schematic) Quant (on Dot) | E r i c | [mail] franse@engr.arizona.edu | | F r a n s | [web] http://engr.arizona.edu/~franse | "Be happy or die" - The Art of Noise
1997-07-27 22:50Arjun MendirattaOn Sat, 26 Jul 1997, Eric Frans wrote: > > Mono Trademark (aka Atom Heart) > Pushbutton Ob
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On Sat, 26 Jul 1997, Eric Frans wrote:
quoted 5 lines Mono Trademark (aka Atom Heart)> > Mono Trademark (aka Atom Heart) > Pushbutton Objects (on Schematic) > Quant (on Dot) >
and i'll add Herbert - 100 lbs. -arjun (who can't help but mention that he got the above for $1.99)
1997-07-28 23:05Mark Kolmar> > Mono Trademark (aka Atom Heart) Good stuff, but on the whole, more than a bit too stif
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quoted 1 line Mono Trademark (aka Atom Heart)> > Mono Trademark (aka Atom Heart)
Good stuff, but on the whole, more than a bit too stiff and academic to really qualify as funky. Closest thing to IDM funk I can come up with off the top of my head are _The Crackdown_ and _Microphonies_ by Cabaret Voltaire, from their computerized-industrial-hip-hop phase. The bass guitar on _The Crackdown_ really does it. And I'll take this opportunity to recommend the Jeff Mills compilation _The Other Day_ (on React). It covers just about all the highest points from his many 12" singles on Axis, including all of the Growth EP. Funk and mathematical precision. 8/10 at least (on my harsh bell-curve scale). --Mark
1997-07-27 02:55SolenoidOn Sat, 26 Jul 1997, blipvert wrote: > Gonzi (Fresh) wrote: > exception but not many. Hey,
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On Sat, 26 Jul 1997, blipvert wrote:
quoted 3 lines Gonzi (Fresh) wrote:> Gonzi (Fresh) wrote: > exception but not many. Hey, how about a thread about idm with > some funk to it. I'll start the list with Doktor Rockit. Who's next?
Aye, I think Dr. Rockit is very suave in his shuffling beats. I just listenned to the latest Speedy J and liked the cohesive buildup of the tune, but kind of longed for some swing to the beat... but then I've been at a party all day where they were playing the Stax singles collection cd's Vol 1-8. Whew! The BarKays have been around a while, amen! Solenoid (too drunk to find his .sig file...)
1997-07-27 05:06maker of all>Some Clear releases are an >exception but not many. Hey, how about a thread about idm wit
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quoted 3 lines Some Clear releases are an>Some Clear releases are an >exception but not many. Hey, how about a thread about idm with >some funk to it. I'll start the list with Doktor Rockit. Who's next?
Clatterbox Leon Mar/Oil Select As One tracks Select Luke Vibert tracks Neotropic the new Fink 12" on ntone is pretty funky, too. g. [where are you, kevin frey?]
1997-07-28 19:54William D. VanLoo> >some funk to it. I'll start the list with Doktor Rockit. Who's next? > > Clatterbox I'l
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quoted 3 lines some funk to it. I'll start the list with Doktor Rockit. Who's next?> >some funk to it. I'll start the list with Doktor Rockit. Who's next? > > Clatterbox
I'll agree with this one. I finally bought something on Clear, a Clatterbox 12" w/ two remixes of Spatz and 2 other tracks. I only have one complaint - I wish the Paul Teebrooke remix was about twice as long (or at least the second half of it anyway - that synth part just fills everything right in, although the ending seems like it's going to be fuck-all for mixing out of...). I could go on again evangelizing about the Detroit masters, but there's already been mention of Carl Craig at least, which is well-deserved in a discussion of funky electronic music. Not NP, but I have it in my head: Emerson Lake and Palmer's "Lucky Man" - that portamento/pitch-bended Moog solo is damn funky! Bill / dj marathon -- f u t u r e listening radio show - hosted by dj marathon t h u r s d a y 10pm-1am o n wmtu 91.9 fm e l e c t r o n i c m u s i c * w i t h * s o u l http://www.hu.mtu.edu/~wdvanloo/personal/
1997-07-28 14:43Zenon M. Feszczak> >Hey, how about a thread about idm with >some funk to it. I'll start the list with Dokto
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quoted 3 lines Hey, how about a thread about idm with> >Hey, how about a thread about idm with >some funk to it. I'll start the list with Doktor Rockit. Who's next?
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1997-07-27 02:33Steve Dolphynblipvert wrote: > > Hey, how about a thread about idm with some funk to it. > Richard H. K
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blipvert wrote:
quoted 3 lines Hey, how about a thread about idm with some funk to it.> > Hey, how about a thread about idm with some funk to it. >
Richard H. Kirk and Bill Laswell are the funkiest white guys I know...be sure to check out Zillatron's Lord Of The Harvest (should be required listening for anyone who THINKS they know how to play bass). np: Sandoz - God Bless The Conspiracy Steve Dolphyn sdolphyn@ibm.net
1997-07-27 19:09Ben CofferIn message <33DAB36E.1E3E@ibm.net>, Steve Dolphyn <sdolphyn@ibm.net> writes >blipvert wrot
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In message <33DAB36E.1E3E@ibm.net>, Steve Dolphyn <sdolphyn@ibm.net> writes
quoted 6 lines blipvert wrote:>blipvert wrote: >> >> Hey, how about a thread about idm with some funk to it. >> > >Richard H. Kirk and Bill Laswell are the funkiest white guys I know...be
Kraftwerk are the funkiest i know... -- Ben Coffer Hybrid Productions http://www.hybridgame.demon.co.uk/
1997-07-27 21:43wesley@interaccess.com> Richard H. Kirk and Bill Laswell are the funkiest white guys I know...be > sure to check
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quoted 3 lines Richard H. Kirk and Bill Laswell are the funkiest white guys I know...be> Richard H. Kirk and Bill Laswell are the funkiest white guys I know...be > sure to check out Zillatron's Lord Of The Harvest (should be required > listening for anyone who THINKS they know how to play bass).
I second the recommendation of the Zillatron LP, but seeing as how Zillatron = Bootsy Collins, wouldn't most if not all of the bass chores be handled by Casper himself? I'll have to check when I get home. Don't Fake The Funk (or your nose will grow), Paul wesley@interaccess.com