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1997-05-02 18:11Michael Peter Stein (idm) WANTED: Ae "Radio Mix"
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1997-05-07 13:43Miles Egan Re: (idm) WANTED: Ae "Radio Mix"
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│ └─ 1997-05-08 04:21Maddog Mgmt. Re: (idm) WANTED: Ae "Radio Mix" (more fun with Greg)
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1997-05-02 18:11Michael Peter SteinDoes anyone in idm-land have the original CD for "Radio Mix" that they'd part with. I woul
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Does anyone in idm-land have the original CD for "Radio Mix" that they'd part with. I would PAY OUT THE NOSE for it!!! Name your price.... I really want this thing. I would have thought that Rob and Sean would have at least made this available to those in the mailing list/fan club. -Mike
1997-05-03 00:53GDMichael Peter Stein > Does anyone in idm-land have the original CD for "Radio Mix" that th
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quoted 4 lines Does anyone in idm-land have the original CD for "Radio Mix" that they'd> Does anyone in idm-land have the original CD for "Radio Mix" that they'd > part with. I would PAY OUT THE NOSE for it!!! Name your price.... I really > want this thing. I would have thought that Rob and Sean would have at least > made this available to those in the mailing list/fan club.
Me too! I've been able to find a couple of the remixes from this session, but the rest I know nothing about. The CD's a nice bundle of rarities, even though some of the tunes are available on their own. And to think that they might be languishing away in the stacks of some radio station that won't ever play them... Poor dears! GD
1997-05-03 02:46phlux@ix.netcom.comOn 05/02/97 19:53:20 you wrote: > >Michael Peter Stein > >> Does anyone in idm-land have t
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quoted 15 lines Michael Peter Stein> >Michael Peter Stein > >> Does anyone in idm-land have the original CD for "Radio Mix" that they'd >> part with. I would PAY OUT THE NOSE for it!!! Name your price.... I really >> want this thing. I would have thought that Rob and Sean would have at least >> made this available to those in the mailing list/fan club. > >Me too! I've been able to find a couple of the remixes from this >session, but the rest I know nothing about. The CD's a nice bundle of >rarities, even though some of the tunes are available on their own. And >to think that they might be languishing away in the stacks of some radio >station that won't ever play them... Poor dears! > >GD
Ok, I'm going to add myself to the list of people who want this disc too. If enough of us express some interest, maybe the people at Warp can be convinced the should press up a few of these....hint hint :) ROB **********LOGIQ'S NEW CD**************** BIG ON MARS 11 Tracks of Electronic Bliss http://www.sinless.com/logiq ****************************************
1997-05-02 22:52s.f.w.d.> I'm going to add myself to the list of people who want this disc too. If enough of us ex
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quoted 2 lines I'm going to add myself to the list of people who want this disc too. If enough of us> I'm going to add myself to the list of people who want this disc too. If enough of us express some interest, maybe the people > at Warp can be convinced the should press up a few of these....hint hint :)
I suppose I'll jump on that wagon also... I'd be more than happy to offer up some of my neighbors body parts for a copy (not really all that special, of course, as I have to kill them anyways... heh, they thought my music taste were *strange*... there was something about mashed potatoes that they just didn't like...) __________________________________________ sfwd@sonic.net LToN DiY Noise.Ambient.Techno.Industrial HomeRecordings & Such 4 Cheap ($3) http://www.sonic.net/~brap/ (add your wasted time to our catalog)
1997-05-05 02:51Brett McCormickCount me in.. Now the question is, is anyone keeping track? ;) --brett On Fri, 2 May 1997,
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Count me in.. Now the question is, is anyone keeping track? ;) --brett On Fri, 2 May 1997, at 22:52:57, s.f.w.d. wrote:
quoted 25 lines I'm going to add myself to the list of people who want this disc too. If enough of us> > I'm going to add myself to the list of people who want this disc too. If enough of us express some interest, maybe the people > > at Warp can be convinced the should press up a few of these....hint hint :) > > I suppose I'll jump on that wagon also... > > I'd be more than happy to offer up some of my neighbors body parts > for a copy (not really all that special, of course, as I have to kill > them anyways... heh, they thought my music taste were *strange*... > there was something about mashed potatoes that they just didn't > like...) > __________________________________________ > > sfwd@sonic.net > > LToN > DiY Noise.Ambient.Techno.Industrial > HomeRecordings & Such 4 Cheap ($3) > > http://www.sonic.net/~brap/ > > (add your wasted time to our catalog) > > > >
1997-05-03 13:31Aaron MichelsonOn 2 May 1997 21:46 -0500 (-1000), phlux@ix.netcom.com wrote to me: > I'm going to add mys
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On 2 May 1997 21:46 -0500 (-1000), phlux@ix.netcom.com wrote to me:
quoted 3 lines I'm going to add myself to the list of people who want this disc too. If enough of> I'm going to add myself to the list of people who want this disc too. If enough of > us express some interest, maybe the people > at Warp can be convinced the should press up a few of these....hint hint :)
You guys are all so funny.... :) The disc was basically a recording of Autechre's weekly radio show that they do for KISS FM in Manchester (is that right?) every week. If you live in the area, you get to tune into stuff like this all the time (or so I'm told...). Warp aren't exactly that motivated to repress the disc at the moment, because the do this every week on DAT. That said, if anybody happens to be burning the disc, get in touch. :) onnow: wagon christ "throbbing pouch" Lame Thread Prevention in Effect: Aaron Michelson --------------------------------------------------------------------- aw-teck'r (autechre) "Everything you Know is Wrong" For reviews, interviews, art & trash http://www.on-it.net/~aaron/ aaron@defiant.on-it.net
1997-05-03 22:47the other grant>That said, if anybody happens to be burning the disc, get in touch. :) i plan to burn a l
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quoted 1 line That said, if anybody happens to be burning the disc, get in touch. :)>That said, if anybody happens to be burning the disc, get in touch. :)
i plan to burn a limited amount of copies of the ae ra show by the end of the month [limited = no more cds than fingers]. however, my source is an audio cassette copy of the ra broadcast and not the promo disc. still, it sounds decent, with ra compression leaving it's special touch on the already special ae percussion. interested? contact me. "i am not in this for financial gain!" -stimpson j. cat grant.h.horne http://delta.is.tcu.edu/~ghhorne/
1997-05-04 03:34Emanuel BorsboomOn Sat, 3 May 1997, the other grant wrote: > i plan to burn a limited amount of copies of
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quoted 5 lines i plan to burn a limited amount of copies of the ae ra show by the end of the> i plan to burn a limited amount of copies of the ae ra show by the end of the > month [limited = no more cds than fingers]. however, my source is an audio > cassette copy of the ra broadcast and not the promo disc. still, it sounds > decent, with ra compression leaving it's special touch on the already special ae > percussion. interested? contact me.
Incidentally, I still have a copy of the .ra file on my ftp site. ftp://zerius.victoria.bc.ca/pub/audio/ae_radio.ra if anybody didn't get a chance to hear it the first time. I'd love a copy of the CD on CD, though. Whenever I'm in a car I listen to either Ae radio or Plod's Backgammon tape (which is as good, if not better, as everybody says it is). OnNow: Speedy J - Ni Go Snix (mu-ziq mix) [very cool single, and a great mix by MP]
1997-05-06 11:43g.On Sat, 03 May 1997 17:47:11 -0500 (CDT), you wrote: >>That said, if anybody happens to be
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On Sat, 03 May 1997 17:47:11 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:
quoted 7 lines That said, if anybody happens to be burning the disc, get in touch. :)>>That said, if anybody happens to be burning the disc, get in touch. :) > >i plan to burn a limited amount of copies of the ae ra show by the end of the >month [limited = no more cds than fingers]. however, my source is an audio >cassette copy of the ra broadcast and not the promo disc. still, it sounds >decent, with ra compression leaving it's special touch on the already special ae >percussion. interested? contact me.
and people wonder why there aren't more RA broadcasts. if we wanted shitty CD-Rs with our music on them being distributed we'd be doing it ourselves. g.
1997-05-06 12:13Ebben FlowI don't know - why don't you all just do a pressing for the public on cd & vinyl? It would
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I don't know - why don't you all just do a pressing for the public on cd & vinyl? It would be profitable to you... Its not like there isn't a demand to supply... Anyway, I thought you were resonable people :) Brien Sears\ DJ Ebben Flow Richmond VA
1997-05-06 12:22g.On Tue, 6 May 97 8:13:29 EDT, you wrote: >I don't know - why don't you all just do a press
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On Tue, 6 May 97 8:13:29 EDT, you wrote:
quoted 3 lines I don't know - why don't you all just do a pressing for the public on>I don't know - why don't you all just do a pressing for the public on >cd & vinyl? It would be profitable to you... Its not like there isn't >a demand to supply... Anyway, I thought you were resonable people :)
ten people on idm is not a demand unfortunately. there is no demand for this sort of compialtion release and besides as i have repeatedly stated it's just a radio show, all the tracks on it have been released or will be available at some point. don't fret you're not missing owt. g.
1997-05-03 04:07Johan JaatinenI have the Autechre CD but there's only one thing in the world that I'll trade it for -- "
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I have the Autechre CD but there's only one thing in the world that I'll trade it for -- "The What Time is Love Story" on CD by The KLF... Johan. ,,, /'~'\ ( 0 0 ) +----------------------------oOOO--(_)--OOOo----------------------------+ Johan Jaatinen Electronic musician Anika@Info.LiU.SE Oooo. Radio DJ MU WILL RISE AGAIN .oooO ( ) Vegetarian +-----------------------------( )----) /------------------------------+ \ ( (_/ \_)
1997-05-06 11:55Richard Barnett> From: phlux@ix.netcom.com > I'm going to add myself to the list of people who want this
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> From: phlux@ix.netcom.com > I'm going to add myself to the list of people who want this disc too. If > enough of us express some interest, maybe the people at Warp can be > convinced the should press up a few of these....hint hint :) since i failed to find this at manchester's vinyl exchange on saturday, here's my vote for a wider release of `radio mix'. -- richard
1997-05-06 16:43Subconscious GeographyAt 11:43 06/05/97 GMT, you wrote: >>i plan to burn a limited amount of copies of the ae ra
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At 11:43 06/05/97 GMT, you wrote:
quoted 1 line i plan to burn a limited amount of copies of the ae ra show by the end of>>i plan to burn a limited amount of copies of the ae ra show by the end of
the
quoted 1 line month [limited = no more cds than fingers].>>month [limited = no more cds than fingers].
quoted 1 line and people wonder why there aren't more RA broadcasts.>and people wonder why there aren't more RA broadcasts.
quoted 2 lines if we wanted shitty CD-Rs with our music on them being distributed>if we wanted shitty CD-Rs with our music on them being distributed >we'd be doing it ourselves.
is this a piss poor attitude or what? watch you don't choke on that big fat cigar greg. i'd tell you to mind your own 'business' but you seem to be doing that already, and with a vengeance Cheerio! NP - The Illuminator - Underground Resistance ~~~ Through universes of worlds of shadows, S G the subconscious geography remains constant. ~~~ Makyo 622AD
1997-05-07 09:31g.On Tue, 06 May 1997 17:43:48 +0100, you wrote: >At 11:43 06/05/97 GMT, you wrote: > >>>i p
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On Tue, 06 May 1997 17:43:48 +0100, you wrote:
quoted 14 lines At 11:43 06/05/97 GMT, you wrote:>At 11:43 06/05/97 GMT, you wrote: > >>>i plan to burn a limited amount of copies of the ae ra show by the end of >the >>>month [limited = no more cds than fingers]. > >>and people wonder why there aren't more RA broadcasts. > >>if we wanted shitty CD-Rs with our music on them being distributed >>we'd be doing it ourselves. > >is this a piss poor attitude or what? watch you don't choke on that big >fat cigar greg. i'd tell you to mind your own 'business' but you seem to >be doing that already, and with a vengeance
eh? it's nothing, REPEAT, *NOTHING* to do with profit; for fucks sake pressing the thing up in the first place and giving them away for free must have cost us nearly a grand. it's just something we want to do right? why don't you just accept it. we probably could make money from it if we wanted to, give it a fancy cover, sell it as an exclusive mix, exclusive tracks etc - but we're not, because that's not what we're about - as many people have said - whilst it's good it's not that good and certainly doesn't warrant a full album release. it about a principle. the principle is copyright and almost none of you seem to understand it. g.
1997-05-07 08:39TurboGreg, > On Sat, 03 May 1997 17:47:11 -0500 (CDT), you wrote: > > >>That said, if anybody h
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Greg,
quoted 14 lines On Sat, 03 May 1997 17:47:11 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:> On Sat, 03 May 1997 17:47:11 -0500 (CDT), you wrote: > > >>That said, if anybody happens to be burning the disc, get in touch. :) > > > >i plan to burn a limited amount of copies of the ae ra show by the end of the > >month [limited = no more cds than fingers]. however, my source is an audio > >cassette copy of the ra broadcast and not the promo disc. still, it sounds > >decent, with ra compression leaving it's special touch on the already special ae > >percussion. interested? contact me. > > and people wonder why there aren't more RA broadcasts. > > if we wanted shitty CD-Rs with our music on them being distributed > we'd be doing it ourselves.
Rather ironic considering the same shitty cdr's are probably used to record Warp's limited 12" only releases fairly often, but then why complain about the use of shitty cdr's at all when as you say Warp could be cutting the stuff people want to cd, keeping them happy and making money in the process (thus i assume keeping Warp happy)?? :) I've got a taped copy courtesy of Johan's cd and personally i don't see what all the fuss is about. At the same time i received another tape containing the tracks off the first 3 black dog eps... now that stuff written in 1989 (most of it) really is amazing and still holds up today's standards (.. in fact i think it's above it! :). Now i'm not saying the Ae radioshow is bad, it's rather good in fact but it's all starting to sound the same (to these hears).. maybe i'm going deaf? Anyhow i haven't heard the Envane ep or Chiastic Slide album and my question to the list members is how do they compare in relation to the Ae Radioshow? One other quickie, for Greg,... when will Warp-mart be on-line? Thanks, John
1997-05-07 10:14g.On Wed, 07 May 1997 19:39:44 +1100, you wrote: >Rather ironic considering the same shitty
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quoted 2 lines Rather ironic considering the same shitty cdr's are probably used to>Rather ironic considering the same shitty cdr's are probably used to >record Warp's limited 12" only releases fairly often,
no it's usually tapes :)
quoted 4 lines but then why>but then why >complain about the use of shitty cdr's at all when as you say Warp >could be cutting the stuff people want to cd, keeping them happy and >making money in the process (thus i assume keeping Warp happy)??
ngh. as i've said before, and as none of you seem to understand - there is no demand for this sort of thing.
quoted 10 lines I've got a taped copy courtesy of Johan's cd and personally i don't>I've got a taped copy courtesy of Johan's cd and personally i don't >see what all the fuss is about. At the same time i received another >tape containing the tracks off the first 3 black dog eps... now that >stuff written in 1989 (most of it) really is amazing and still holds >up today's standards (.. in fact i think it's above it! :). Now i'm >not saying the Ae radioshow is bad, it's rather good in fact but it's >all starting to sound the same (to these hears).. maybe i'm going deaf? >Anyhow i haven't heard the Envane ep or Chiastic Slide album and my >question to the list members is how do they compare in relation to the >Ae Radioshow?
not really comparable. one is an album, one is a radioshow.
quoted 1 line One other quickie, for Greg,... when will Warp-mart be on-line?>One other quickie, for Greg,... when will Warp-mart be on-line?
i'm just waiting for chris to come up with the front end, hopefully will be up and running by the end of may.
1997-05-07 10:46TurboGreg, > >Rather ironic considering the same shitty cdr's are probably used to > >record Wa
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Greg,
quoted 4 lines Rather ironic considering the same shitty cdr's are probably used to> >Rather ironic considering the same shitty cdr's are probably used to > >record Warp's limited 12" only releases fairly often, > > no it's usually tapes :)
At the moment, but i think you'll find with the advent of reliable and affordable cdr technology more and more people will be cdr'ing the rare 'trainspot' material.
quoted 7 lines but then why> >but then why > >complain about the use of shitty cdr's at all when as you say Warp > >could be cutting the stuff people want to cd, keeping them happy and > >making money in the process (thus i assume keeping Warp happy)?? > > ngh. as i've said before, and as none of you seem to understand - > there is no demand for this sort of thing.
I'm not talking about the Ae radioshow (i've already said it's nothing special), but you mean to tell me that Warp thinks there's enough demand for 1000 or so HAB's on vinyl, but no demand for it on cd?? Who are you kidding here... yourself!?
quoted 5 lines Anyhow i haven't heard the Envane ep or Chiastic Slide album and my> >Anyhow i haven't heard the Envane ep or Chiastic Slide album and my > >question to the list members is how do they compare in relation to the > >Ae Radioshow? > > not really comparable. one is an album, one is a radioshow.
So the radioshow's better is it?
quoted 4 lines One other quickie, for Greg,... when will Warp-mart be on-line?> >One other quickie, for Greg,... when will Warp-mart be on-line? > > i'm just waiting for chris to come up with the front end, hopefully > will be up and running by the end of may.
Cool! Looking forward to it! Btw, what's up with the Warp and Ae mailing lists, lately? Regards, John
1997-05-07 10:55Gonzi (Fresh)> as i've said before, and as none of you seem to understand - > there is no demand for th
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quoted 2 lines as i've said before, and as none of you seem to understand -> as i've said before, and as none of you seem to understand - > there is no demand for this sort of thing.
huh? Greg, are you trying to use the jedi mind trick or what? "you don't want the radio mix." "we don't want the radio mix." If nobody wants it then why are we talking about it? _____ / ,-,_) /,_) (/ RESH Live & Direct from the G-Spot, Orange County, California, USA http://www1.linkonline.net/fresh/fresh.htm
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quoted 5 lines as i've said before, and as none of you seem to understand ->> as i've said before, and as none of you seem to understand - >> there is no demand for this sort of thing. > >huh? Greg, are you trying to use the jedi mind trick or what? "you don't >want the radio mix." "we don't want the radio mix."
heh.
quoted 2 lines If nobody wants it>If nobody wants it >then why are we talking about it?
ten people on IDM does not represent demand. alas even IDM as a whole does not represent demand or more importantly an accurate market cross section. g.
1997-05-07 13:43Miles Egan> we probably could make money from it if we wanted to, give it a fancy > cover, sell it a
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quoted 10 lines we probably could make money from it if we wanted to, give it a fancy> we probably could make money from it if we wanted to, give it a fancy > cover, sell it as an exclusive mix, exclusive tracks etc - but we're > not, because that's not what we're about - as many people have said - > whilst it's good it's not that good and certainly doesn't warrant a > full album release. > > it about a principle. the principle is copyright and almost none of > you seem to understand it. > > g.
"Not what we're about" ? HAB 1 & 2, Mira Calix, Woodenspoon - were these made in such limited editions out of a selfless love of the music and a desire to give it the audience it deserves? You're the one that misunderstands copyright. Miles
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quoted 16 lines we probably could make money from it if we wanted to, give it a fancy>> we probably could make money from it if we wanted to, give it a fancy >> cover, sell it as an exclusive mix, exclusive tracks etc - but we're >> not, because that's not what we're about - as many people have said - >> whilst it's good it's not that good and certainly doesn't warrant a >> full album release. >> >> it about a principle. the principle is copyright and almost none of >> you seem to understand it. >> >> g. > >"Not what we're about" ? HAB 1 & 2, Mira Calix, Woodenspoon - were >these made in such limited editions out of a selfless love of the music >and a desire to give it the audience it deserves? > >You're the one that misunderstands copyright.
yawn. why are you lot so belligerent? the limited edition thing is such a boring arguement. they're limited to the people that would buy them, (i should have a macro for that line) do you really belive we could sell more than a couple of thousand woodenspoons? well if you do you don't know anything about the current market for this music. we don't make any more money from limited editions than anything else, they all have the same dealer prices. just makes things a bit more interesting. singles generally don't make money full stop. i'm here on this list to provide information about warp and answer sensible questions i'm not a polician warp don't have a manifesto to hold to, we are accountable to no one but our artists and the inland revenue. if you don't like what we do don't buy our records and shut up. wrt to copyright i'm sure you'd find yourself on the sharp pointy end of the wrath of any major label if you started pressing CDs and giving them away. g.
1997-05-07 09:36s.f.w.d.> >"Not what we're about" ? HAB 1 & 2, Mira Calix, Woodenspoon - were > >these made in suc
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quoted 13 lines "Not what we're about" ? HAB 1 & 2, Mira Calix, Woodenspoon - were> >"Not what we're about" ? HAB 1 & 2, Mira Calix, Woodenspoon - were > >these made in such limited editions out of a selfless love of the music > >and a desire to give it the audience it deserves? > > > >You're the one that misunderstands copyright. > > yawn. why are you lot so belligerent? > > the limited edition thing is such a boring arguement. they're limited > to the people that would buy them, (i should have a macro for that > line) do you really belive we could sell more than a couple of > thousand woodenspoons? well if you do you don't know anything about > the current market for this music.
This is probably true... As much as it disappoints me, greg is probably all too correct in saying it'd be a waste for them to press up copies of the Ae radio show... or any of the other above releases (though limited repressings would be REAL nice =) I don't particularly agree with the big deal made over some fans wanting to put together a run of TEN cds of music otherwise unavailable to them (ok, in this format... its not like we don't buy EVERYTHING Ae puts out) but we didn't make the music, we didn't release it... not that I wouldn't partake in such an event =) Heh, I like the music... I go without food & smokes for music... its a disorder or something...
quoted 4 lines we don't make any more money from limited editions than anything else,> > we don't make any more money from limited editions than anything else, > they all have the same dealer prices. just makes things a bit more > interesting.
Um, not for the guy who pays $60-100 for it if he doesn't get a copy when it comes out =) I emailed 4th World about MASK 002, but never got a return mail... assume I've missed it by now... wonder how much that'll run me... (so what if its not Warp, it was a convienent example)
quoted 4 lines i'm here on this list to provide information about warp and answer> i'm here on this list to provide information about warp and answer > sensible questions i'm not a polician warp don't have a manifesto to > hold to, we are accountable to no one but our artists and the inland > revenue.
Hehehe... oh ya... please, don't stop... (honestly!)
quoted 6 lines if you don't like what we do don't buy our records and shut up.> > if you don't like what we do don't buy our records and shut up. > > wrt to copyright i'm sure you'd find yourself on the sharp pointy end > of the wrath of any major label if you started pressing CDs and giving > them away.
True, unless its Skinny Puppy material, and then they ask if they can get copies of your boot material for official release (ie, the 2cd Brap set... cevn key listened to material from the AEDP fan made cassette, thought he might be able to use some of it for the official release Brap... too bad more bands didn't take this approach... they pretty much say, 'screw bootleggers who make money... leave it to the fans, who do it for the love of the music... they usually do a better job...' Don't believe Nettwerk had a problem with it, nor Capital, who distributes in the US...) anyways, can't believe I participated in this discussion... anyone have a copy of MASK 002 they wish to part with? np: Alaura , Sacred Dreams (surprising nice) __________________________________________ sfwd@sonic.net LToN DiY Noise.Ambient.Techno.Industrial HomeRecordings & Such 4 Cheap ($3) http://www.sonic.net/~brap/ (add your wasted time to our catalog)
1997-05-07 17:59jah geek>True, unless its Skinny Puppy material, and then they ask if they can >get copies of your
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quoted 9 lines True, unless its Skinny Puppy material, and then they ask if they can>True, unless its Skinny Puppy material, and then they ask if they can >get copies of your boot material for official release (ie, the 2cd >Brap set... cevn key listened to material from the AEDP fan made >cassette, thought he might be able to use some of it for the official >release Brap... too bad more bands didn't take this approach... they >pretty much say, 'screw bootleggers who make money... leave it to the >fans, who do it for the love of the music... they usually do a better >job...' Don't believe Nettwerk had a problem with it, nor Capital, >who distributes in the US...)
cevin and co. will also be releasing 2 sample cd's spawning the puppy back catalogue for (free and legal) consumer usage in the near future on their subconscious label brap on...
1997-05-07 10:13s.f.w.d.> > >True, unless its Skinny Puppy material, and then they ask if they can > >get copies o
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quoted 16 lines True, unless its Skinny Puppy material, and then they ask if they can> > >True, unless its Skinny Puppy material, and then they ask if they can > >get copies of your boot material for official release (ie, the 2cd > >Brap set... cevn key listened to material from the AEDP fan made > >cassette, thought he might be able to use some of it for the official > >release Brap... too bad more bands didn't take this approach... they > >pretty much say, 'screw bootleggers who make money... leave it to the > >fans, who do it for the love of the music... they usually do a better > >job...' Don't believe Nettwerk had a problem with it, nor Capital, > >who distributes in the US...) > > cevin and co. will also be releasing 2 sample cd's spawning the puppy back > catalogue for (free and legal) consumer usage in the near future on their > subconscious label > > brap on...
Ya, they're really going all out with making EVERYTHING puppy available now... I think its interesting, particularly where so many bands use the puppy sound anyhow... why not cash in on it... The entire subconcious label seems to be moving in a much more idm/techno direction than industrial presently... I, personally, am glad... Haujobb (I always seem to associate Download and Haujobb for obvious reasons) also are changing direction and will be putting out material that is much more idm-techno than previously (appearently moreso than their last release...) Their Matrix may be out by now (at least as an import to all us US folks) and it also has a sample cd... Hey, we just talked about MUSIC =) What a novel idea... __________________________________________ sfwd@sonic.net LToN DiY Noise.Ambient.Techno.Industrial HomeRecordings & Such 4 Cheap ($3) http://www.sonic.net/~brap/ (add your wasted time to our catalog)
1997-05-07 16:15Brett McCormickI'm not sure quite what to think now... On Wed, 7 May 1997, at 16:08:37, g. wrote: > if yo
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I'm not sure quite what to think now... On Wed, 7 May 1997, at 16:08:37, g. wrote:
quoted 7 lines if you don't like what we do don't buy our records and shut up.> if you don't like what we do don't buy our records and shut up. > > wrt to copyright i'm sure you'd find yourself on the sharp pointy end > of the wrath of any major label if you started pressing CDs and giving > them away. > > g.
1997-05-08 04:21Maddog Mgmt.>I'm not sure quite what to think now... > >On Wed, 7 May 1997, at 16:08:37, g. wrote: > >
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quoted 5 lines I'm not sure quite what to think now...>I'm not sure quite what to think now... > >On Wed, 7 May 1997, at 16:08:37, g. wrote: > >> if you don't like what we do don't buy our records and shut up.
hehe
quoted 3 lines wrt to copyright i'm sure you'd find yourself on the sharp pointy end>> wrt to copyright i'm sure you'd find yourself on the sharp pointy end >> of the wrath of any major label if you started pressing CDs and giving >> them away.
It's a good thing, then, that Warp's nowhere near being a major label. I.
1997-05-08 09:27g.On Wed, 7 May 1997 23:21:48 -0500, you wrote: >>> wrt to copyright i'm sure you'd find you
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On Wed, 7 May 1997 23:21:48 -0500, you wrote:
quoted 5 lines wrt to copyright i'm sure you'd find yourself on the sharp pointy end>>> wrt to copyright i'm sure you'd find yourself on the sharp pointy end >>> of the wrath of any major label if you started pressing CDs and giving >>> them away. > >It's a good thing, then, that Warp's nowhere near being a major label.
(for the avoidance of doubt) that's what i meant :) g.
1997-05-08 04:19Maddog Mgmt.>On Wed, 07 May 1997 06:43:17 -0700, Greg wrote: >the limited edition thing is such a bori
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quoted 1 line On Wed, 07 May 1997 06:43:17 -0700, Greg wrote:>On Wed, 07 May 1997 06:43:17 -0700, Greg wrote:
quoted 5 lines the limited edition thing is such a boring arguement. they're limited>the limited edition thing is such a boring arguement. they're limited >to the people that would buy them, (i should have a macro for that >line) do you really belive we could sell more than a couple of >thousand woodenspoons? well if you do you don't know anything about >the current market for this music.
Hmmm ... do you really believe that you couldn't sell more than a couple of thousand 'Radio' cd's? Probably more so than a Woodenspoon 12", or a nice shiny Mira Calix 10". Wanna bet? I miss the old Warp. I.
1997-05-07 16:36Miles Egan>the limited edition thing is such a boring arguement. they're limited >to the people that
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quoted 5 lines the limited edition thing is such a boring arguement. they're limited>the limited edition thing is such a boring arguement. they're limited >to the people that would buy them, (i should have a macro for that >line) do you really belive we could sell more than a couple of >thousand woodenspoons? well if you do you don't know anything about >the current market for this music.
Perhaps this is true for Woodenspoon, but HAB 1 & 2 trade hands for a lot more than $8 these days. Everyone knew that demand for new Aphex material was a lot greater than 500 or even 1000 copies. I know what the market for this kind of material is because my IDM mailbox is clogged with auction announcements for these records. I've already seen Mira Calix selling for inflated prices, too. This limited-edition trainspotting marketing creates a black market.
quoted 1 line if you don't like what we do don't buy our records and shut up.>if you don't like what we do don't buy our records and shut up.
Actually, I guess I'll just continue to do what I've always done: buy the good records you release, leave the bad ones on the shelf, and tape the ones I have no other access to. I hope this is alright with you.
quoted 5 lines wrt to copyright i'm sure you'd find yourself on the sharp pointy end>wrt to copyright i'm sure you'd find yourself on the sharp pointy end >of the wrath of any major label if you started pressing CDs and giving >them away. > >g.
Perhaps, but any label that gets in this much of a bungle when the real fans of their music make a few free copies of otherwise completely unavailable material needs a bit of perspective. I SUPPORT your copyrights and I would discourage anyone from bootlegging Chiastic Slide. The day when anybody can download, in a few minutes, a perfect, pirated digital copy of any record you release is just around the corner. Maybe in the meantime your time would be best spent cultivating the loyalty and support of the people who really understand and love your music instead of playing copyright gestapo. Miles
1997-05-07 17:08g.On Wed, 7 May 1997 09:36:39 -0700, you wrote: >>the limited edition thing is such a boring
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quoted 13 lines the limited edition thing is such a boring arguement. they're limited>>the limited edition thing is such a boring arguement. they're limited >>to the people that would buy them, (i should have a macro for that >>line) do you really belive we could sell more than a couple of >>thousand woodenspoons? well if you do you don't know anything about >>the current market for this music. > >Perhaps this is true for Woodenspoon, but HAB 1 & 2 trade hands for a lot >more than $8 these days. Everyone knew that demand for new Aphex material >was a lot greater than 500 or even 1000 copies. I know what the market for >this kind of material is because my IDM mailbox is clogged with auction >announcements for these records. I've already seen Mira Calix selling for >inflated prices, too. This limited-edition trainspotting marketing creates >a black market.
yeah. fun isn't it. thrill of the chase and all that.
quoted 5 lines if you don't like what we do don't buy our records and shut up.>>if you don't like what we do don't buy our records and shut up. > >Actually, I guess I'll just continue to do what I've always done: buy the >good records you release, leave the bad ones on the shelf, and tape the >ones I have no other access to. I hope this is alright with you.
fine, it's what i do myself, don't see why it needs to be discussed in a public forum.
quoted 3 lines wrt to copyright i'm sure you'd find yourself on the sharp pointy end>>wrt to copyright i'm sure you'd find yourself on the sharp pointy end >>of the wrath of any major label if you started pressing CDs and giving >>them away.
quoted 3 lines Perhaps, but any label that gets in this much of a bungle when the real>Perhaps, but any label that gets in this much of a bungle when the real >fans of their music make a few free copies of otherwise completely >unavailable material needs a bit of perspective.
erm. hmm. i think it's that principle thing again. maybe i'm too principled.
quoted 5 lines I SUPPORT your copyrights> I SUPPORT your copyrights >and I would discourage anyone from bootlegging Chiastic Slide. > >The day when anybody can download, in a few minutes, a perfect, pirated >digital copy of any record you release is just around the corner.
yep. we're looking to the majors to sort that one out. they do have their plus points.
quoted 3 lines Maybe>Maybe >in the meantime your time would be best spent cultivating the loyalty and >support of the people who really understand and love your music
that's why i even bother replying to this stuff. you think you'd have had this sort of dialogue with anyone from say Warners.
quoted 2 lines instead of>instead of >playing copyright gestapo.
uh-huh. g.
1997-05-07 17:19Brett McCormickWhere's the principle? Obeying the letter of the law? I can't see any other. It hurts noth
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Where's the principle? Obeying the letter of the law? I can't see any other. It hurts nothing. On Wed, 7 May 1997, at 17:08:39, g. wrote:
quoted 7 lines Perhaps, but any label that gets in this much of a bungle when the real> >Perhaps, but any label that gets in this much of a bungle when the real > >fans of their music make a few free copies of otherwise completely > >unavailable material needs a bit of perspective. > > erm. hmm. i think it's that principle thing again. maybe i'm too > principled. >
quoted 2 lines that's why i even bother replying to this stuff. you think you'd have> that's why i even bother replying to this stuff. you think you'd have > had this sort of dialogue with anyone from say Warners.
I don't think you're scoring many points.
1997-05-07 19:58Subconscious GeographyAt 09:31 07/05/97 GMT, you wrote: >>>>i plan to burn a limited amount of copies of the ae
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quoted 2 lines i plan to burn a limited amount of copies of the ae ra show by the end of>>>>i plan to burn a limited amount of copies of the ae ra show by the end of >>>>the month [limited = no more cds than fingers].
quoted 1 line and people wonder why there aren't more RA broadcasts.>>>and people wonder why there aren't more RA broadcasts.
quoted 2 lines if we wanted shitty CD-Rs with our music on them being distributed>>>if we wanted shitty CD-Rs with our music on them being distributed >>>we'd be doing it ourselves.
quoted 3 lines is this a piss poor attitude or what? watch you don't choke on that big>>is this a piss poor attitude or what? watch you don't choke on that big >>fat cigar greg. i'd tell you to mind your own 'business' but you seem to >>be doing that already, and with a vengeance
quoted 1 line eh?>eh?
quoted 3 lines it's nothing, REPEAT, *NOTHING* to do with profit; for fucks sake>it's nothing, REPEAT, *NOTHING* to do with profit; for fucks sake >pressing the thing up in the first place and giving them away for free >must have cost us nearly a grand.
and who did you give them to? pisshead radio jocks and where did I mention profit?
quoted 5 lines we probably could make money from it if we wanted to, give it a fancy>we probably could make money from it if we wanted to, give it a fancy >cover, sell it as an exclusive mix, exclusive tracks etc - but we're >not, because that's not what we're about - as many people have said - >whilst it's good it's not that good and certainly doesn't warrant a >full album release.
right, so why the ball-ache over 10 'unauthorised' copies of a free record that you don't even WANT to release? infact, why do you think you're so important that people need to know your opinion on this? warp records doesn't even come into the equation, this is a guy who is doing a great favor for a few net-friends, and for you to poke your nose in and start crying over 'spoiling autechre's b(r)and image' and the CARDINAL sin of 'breaking copyright law', well if I may say to you all, WHAT A SACK OF CRAP! you should be HAPPY and, indeed, OVER THE MOON that people (including myself) like your music enough to want to go to this length to enable people to hear it, because that's what this is about, people sharing music for the love of it. do you remember feeling like this before the cash register landed on your head? and as for ordering some poor guy to take the ra file off his site, well, just what do you think you're playing at here? REMEMBER KIDS, HOME TAPING IS KILLING MUSIC. AND IT'S ILLEGAL!
quoted 2 lines it about a principle. the principle is copyright and almost none of>it about a principle. the principle is copyright and almost none of >you seem to understand it.
so it is about profit then. 'we are reasonable people' indeed. what month, or what year was it, that w.a.r.p changed its name to w.a.w, stopped caring about the people who support them and became this horrible, grotesque, DISTANT corporation that releases limited editions 'because it's a street thing to do' yet keeps the bandwagon rolling, ready for the inevitable american buyout. i suppose i'll have to start saving up already for the car, the house, the washing machine and the warp box set because what i'm seeing is a major label being born here, not the innovative team i thought you were once, but of course you don't care about me, because i'm just a number or a lemming, filling your bank accounts with blood money if you want to talk about profit margins, charts and graphs, advertising agency budgets and long-term company strategy, well, give your accountant a call or something, i don't think anyone here wants to hear it. the fact that you constantly whine about such things is absolute proof to me that you've lost it big time. and if you want to be scared by something, well, i just took delivery of a video8 machine that records 24 HOURS of digital audio approaching dat quality on a 5 quid cassette, and if anyone out there has one of these, let's do some trades, and 2 fingers to the gordon geckos of this world reasonable people? where? cheerio np - downtown chic - eco tourist ~~~ Through universes of worlds of shadows, S G the subconscious geography remains constant. ~~~ Makyo 622AD
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ack. final round. i've been bashed enough thanks :) i am not going to post again on this topic as i think i've now had time to compose a slightly more robust defence and this (albeit usefull) topic is now exhausted. ah the thrill of chase etc. On Wed, 07 May 1997 20:58:09 +0100, you wrote:
quoted 5 lines it's nothing, REPEAT, *NOTHING* to do with profit; for fucks sake>>it's nothing, REPEAT, *NOTHING* to do with profit; for fucks sake >>pressing the thing up in the first place and giving them away for free >>must have cost us nearly a grand. > >and who did you give them to? pisshead radio jocks
we gave them to the people Rob and Sean wanted them giving to.
quoted 1 line and where did I mention profit?>and where did I mention profit?
i thought it was implied in your arguement as did others.
quoted 17 lines we probably could make money from it if we wanted to, give it a fancy>>we probably could make money from it if we wanted to, give it a fancy >>cover, sell it as an exclusive mix, exclusive tracks etc - but we're >>not, because that's not what we're about - as many people have said - >>whilst it's good it's not that good and certainly doesn't warrant a >>full album release. > >right, so why the ball-ache over 10 'unauthorised' copies of a free record >that you don't even WANT to release? infact, why do you think you're so >important that people need to know your opinion on this? warp records >doesn't even come into the equation, this is a guy who is doing a great >favor for a few net-friends, and for you to poke your nose in and start >crying over 'spoiling autechre's b(r)and image' and the CARDINAL sin of >'breaking copyright law', well if I may say to you all, WHAT A SACK OF >CRAP! you should be HAPPY and, indeed, OVER THE MOON that people >(including myself) like your music enough to want to go to this length to >enable people to hear it, because that's what this is about, people sharing >music for the love of it.
good point well made. i'm not bothered about people taping it or i suppose even burning a _personal_ CD-R, i expected that, that's what you do to a radio broadcast. what i wasn't happy about was people advertising the fact they are going to distribute CD-R copies on the list. that's not what we or autechre intended. more to the point it's _absolutely_ what autechre didn't want. they didn't want the mix held up as a 'serious' work. so they are very unlikely to do this sort of thing in the future if this is what happens. this is what bothers me. i now think was hopelessly naive not to anticipate this, and that this topic has spiralled way out of control if this sort of post is the result. sorry for doing it in the first place.
quoted 2 lines do you remember feeling like this before the>do you remember feeling like this before the >cash register landed on your head?
i still feel that now. i would have been the first to tape the aphex peel sessions if they'd happened.
quoted 2 lines and as for ordering some poor guy to take the ra file off his site, well,>and as for ordering some poor guy to take the ra file off his site, well, >just what do you think you're playing at here?
i didn't order him. i asked him politely, and was grateful that he has apparently done so.
quoted 1 line REMEMBER KIDS, HOME TAPING IS KILLING MUSIC. AND IT'S ILLEGAL!>REMEMBER KIDS, HOME TAPING IS KILLING MUSIC. AND IT'S ILLEGAL!
KILLING MUSIC IS HOME TAPING ;)
quoted 13 lines it about a principle. the principle is copyright and almost none of>>it about a principle. the principle is copyright and almost none of >>you seem to understand it. > >so it is about profit then. 'we are reasonable people' indeed. what >month, or what year was it, that w.a.r.p changed its name to w.a.w, stopped >caring about the people who support them and became this horrible, >grotesque, DISTANT corporation that releases limited editions 'because it's >a street thing to do' yet keeps the bandwagon rolling, ready for the >inevitable american buyout. i suppose i'll have to start saving up already >for the car, the house, the washing machine and the warp box set because >what i'm seeing is a major label being born here, not the innovative team i >thought you were once, but of course you don't care about me, because i'm >just a number or a lemming, filling your bank accounts with blood money
oh come on. distant? and like i'm still talking to you? limited editions have been happening since the beginning of time. when we did a box set we did it because a) Autechre wanted to do it b) it was something for fans to 'cherish' (<- for want of a less soppy word.) i should be more annoyed by your rant than i possibly am. you're insulting not just me and warp generally but everyone else who works here Rob, Steve, Nance, Kev, Nick, Em, Chantal and Rachel.
quoted 3 lines if you want to talk about profit margins, charts and graphs, advertising>if you want to talk about profit margins, charts and graphs, advertising >agency budgets and long-term company strategy, well, give your accountant a >call or something, i don't think anyone here wants to hear it.
of course not. which is why i never talk strategy. the fact that warp has a good team and considers all those things is the reason we survived and can still release and sell records like _Chiastic Slide_ today.
quoted 7 lines the fact>the fact >that you constantly whine about such things is absolute proof to me that >you've lost it big time. and if you want to be scared by something, well, >i just took delivery of a video8 machine that records 24 HOURS of digital >audio approaching dat quality on a 5 quid cassette, and if anyone out there >has one of these, let's do some trades, and 2 fingers to the gordon geckos >of this world
fine. i hope i don't appear to constantly whine. but whilst i remain on the list i find it difficult not to defend warp. silly, really, caring about something? Epilogue (or is that Prologue :) - Sony (Japan) should be broadcasting a new Autechre mix in the near future from their web site, sent htem the dat a few days ago it's going to be availble for a few weeks..................... g.
1997-05-07 22:49Ninja Tune/Discreet>>>is this a piss poor attitude or what? watch you don't choke on that big >>>fat cigar gr
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quoted 3 lines is this a piss poor attitude or what? watch you don't choke on that big>>>is this a piss poor attitude or what? watch you don't choke on that big >>>fat cigar greg. i'd tell you to mind your own 'business' but you seem to >>>be doing that already, and with a vengeance
I don't believe I'm actually getting into this but... First off, last time I checked Greg didn't actually own Warp. Accusing him or Warp of only being in it for the money is ridiculous. It's called economics. Anyway, I'm not going to rant. Try running a label the size of Warp or Ninja Tune and then get back to me with anymore 'but in a perfect world the music industry would work like this ' scenarios. Jeff
1997-05-07 23:18Iain H.>True, unless its Skinny Puppy material, and then they ask if they can >get copies of your
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quoted 5 lines True, unless its Skinny Puppy material, and then they ask if they can>True, unless its Skinny Puppy material, and then they ask if they can >get copies of your boot material for official release (ie, the 2cd >Brap set... cevn key listened to material from the AEDP fan made >cassette, thought he might be able to use some of it for the official >release Brap... too bad more bands didn't take this approach...
Just slightly off topic but there is a marvellous story of how Tom Waits lost the master tapes for some material he was working on. As he and the studio engineer tried to work out where the stuff may have got to, a journalist in the studio admitted to having a multi-generation copy of the stuff that a friend of a friend of his had dubbed from the studio master while cleaning up one night. My hat off to Tom Waits, however, as he ended up using the tape copy for the basis of one of the tracks on the album he was working on (can't remember which one...) quite happily. Imho, the man's a genius :) This is somewhat unlikely to work as the basis in the defence of a copyrighting case however ;) Rubyjune.