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1997-04-02 15:19Adam J WeitzmanSo I went to the Warp web site to have a listen to the Jimi Tenor album via RealAudio. I c

From:: Adam J Weitzman <weitzman@individual.com>
To:: IDM Mailing List <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 10:19:40 -0500
Subject:: (idm) The Tenor Has No Clothes

So I went to the Warp web site to have a listen to the Jimi Tenor album via RealAudio. I came away with the following conclusion: _Intervision_ is not IDM. It's lounge music. The only tracks that even marginally qualified as IDM were "Sugardaddy," "Caravan" and "Shore Hotel;" the rest were EZ-listening muzak. I'm sorry, but 3 out of 11 maketh not an IDM recording, no matter what label it's on. Why he gets any play on this list at all is totally beyond me. *shrug* -- Adam J Weitzman "Getting [your computer] to work is no more Individual, Inc. difficult than building a nuclear reactor weitzman@individual.com from wristwatch parts using only your teeth." http://www.individual.com - Dave Barry

1997-04-02 16:57g.On Wed, 02 Apr 1997 10:19:40 -0500, you wrote: >So I went to the Warp web site to have a l

From:: g. <greg@warp-net.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 16:57:38 GMT
Subject:: Re: (idm) The Tenor Has No Clothes
Reply to:: (idm) The Tenor Has No Clothes

On Wed, 02 Apr 1997 10:19:40 -0500, you wrote:

quoted 9 lines So I went to the Warp web site to have a listen to the Jimi Tenor album

>So I went to the Warp web site to have a listen to the Jimi Tenor album >via RealAudio. I came away with the following conclusion: > >_Intervision_ is not IDM. It's lounge music. The only tracks that even >marginally qualified as IDM were "Sugardaddy," "Caravan" and "Shore >Hotel;" the rest were EZ-listening muzak. I'm sorry, but 3 out of 11 >maketh not an IDM recording, no matter what label it's on. > >Why he gets any play on this list at all is totally beyond me. *shrug*

the idm definition has been laughable since it's creation. for me idm stands for good music with an electronic edge. jimi tenor is good music. it has an electronic edge. it is not lounge music. g.

1997-04-02 20:27Kent WilliamsOn Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Adam J Weitzman wrote: > So I went to the Warp web site to have a list

From:: Kent Williams <kent@inav.net>
To:: intelligent dance <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:27:32 -0600 (CST)
Subject:: (idm) Tenor has sharp threads
Reply to:: (idm) The Tenor Has No Clothes

On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Adam J Weitzman wrote:

quoted 7 lines So I went to the Warp web site to have a listen to the Jimi Tenor album

> So I went to the Warp web site to have a listen to the Jimi Tenor album > via RealAudio. I came away with the following conclusion: > > _Intervision_ is not IDM. It's lounge music. The only tracks that even > marginally qualified as IDM were "Sugardaddy," "Caravan" and "Shore > Hotel;" the rest were EZ-listening muzak. I'm sorry, but 3 out of 11 > maketh not an IDM recording, no matter what label it's on.

Maybe it loses something in Real Audio. If your point is that it isn't anything like the traditional 'icons' of IDM, I'd grant you. But it is cool, and not, in my opinion simply EZ-listening. Tenor's stuff has live instruments, well arranged, in combination with a variety of synths, drum machines, and more traditional electric keyboards like the Fender Rhodes and the Hammond B3. Plus vocals. It's as if a squirrelly finn decided that he was the reincarnation of Stevie Wonder, and for me it's a nice break from all the people who figured out that they can run a drum machine through a fuzzbox. --------------------------------------------------------------------- "i love the smell of new carpet. it makes me dizzy. just like when you fall in love." -- Mike Dvorkin Home Page, featuring Reagan on Black Velvet, the EMP Compilation CD, samples of my music, etc http://soli.inav.net/~kent/ Kent Williams kent@inav.net CADSI 2651 Crosspark Road Coralville IA 52241 (319) 338 6053 (home) (319) 626 6700 x 219 (work) (319) 626 3488 (fax)

1997-04-02 20:34The Rare GuyOn Wednesday, 02-Apr-97, Adam J Weitzman wrote [about (idm) The Tenor Has No Clothes]: >_I

From:: The Rare Guy <buh@clark.net>
To:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 20:34:27 EST4EDT
Subject:: Re: (idm) The Tenor Has No Clothes
Reply to:: (idm) The Tenor Has No Clothes

On Wednesday, 02-Apr-97, Adam J Weitzman wrote [about (idm) The Tenor Has No Clothes]:

quoted 4 lines _Intervision_ is not IDM. It's lounge music. The only tracks that even

>_Intervision_ is not IDM. It's lounge music. The only tracks that even >marginally qualified as IDM were "Sugardaddy," "Caravan" and "Shore >Hotel;" the rest were EZ-listening muzak. I'm sorry, but 3 out of 11 >maketh not an IDM recording, no matter what label it's on.

and what's to say lounge music isn't IDM? who says it isn't IDM.

quoted 1 line Why he gets any play on this list at all is totally beyond me. *shrug*

>Why he gets any play on this list at all is totally beyond me. *shrug*

because he's on Warp. -- __ __\ \ Aurafix aka Hillie / PHD ^ DAMONES (aka Rare Guy) / /_\ \ http://www.clark.net/pub/buh/index.html \_____/ >> buh@clark.net >> < > .. >> .<>> >> > , m7= inducing mindwaves.. electronic techno muuusik controlled manually by a p h e x t wi n .. .. . . .

1997-04-02 16:09Aaron MichelsonOn 02 Apr 1997 20:34 EST4EDT, The Rare Guy wrote to me: >> Why he gets any play on this li

From:: Aaron Michelson <aaron@defiant.on-it.net>
To:: <buh@clark.net>, Intelligent Dense Mush <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: 02 Apr 97 21:09:42 +0500
Subject:: Re: (idm) The Tenor Has No Clothes
Reply to:: Re: (idm) The Tenor Has No Clothes

On 02 Apr 1997 20:34 EST4EDT, The Rare Guy wrote to me:

quoted 1 line Why he gets any play on this list at all is totally beyond me. *shrug*

>> Why he gets any play on this list at all is totally beyond me. *shrug*

quoted 1 line because he's on Warp.

> because he's on Warp.

Now that's a pile if I've ever heard one. Jimi Tenor doesn't not stand on his own..... two artists that come to mind are The Gentle People (Rephlex) and Tipsy (Asphodel). Both are artists who embrace both the warm fuzzies of lounge, yet use loads of electronics to produce a very clean and comfortable sound. It's almost like some sorta lounge/techno hybrid, and nothing beats it. Perfect to relax to after a long day. onnow: daft punk (virgin) Lame Thread Prevention in Effect: Aaron Michelson --------------------------------------------------------------------- aw-teck'r (autechre) "Everything you Know is Wrong" For reviews, interviews, art & trash http://www.on-it.net/~aaron/ aaron@defiant.on-it.net

1997-04-02 22:50The Rare GuyOn Wednesday, 02-Apr-97, Aaron Michelson wrote [about Re: (idm) The Tenor Has No Clothes]:

From:: The Rare Guy <buh@clark.net>
To:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 22:50:36 EST4EDT
Subject:: Re: (idm) The Tenor has some very nice clothes, mind you! :)
Reply to:: Re: (idm) The Tenor Has No Clothes

On Wednesday, 02-Apr-97, Aaron Michelson wrote [about Re: (idm) The Tenor Has No Clothes]:

quoted 6 lines Now that's a pile if I've ever heard one. Jimi Tenor doesn't not stand on

>Now that's a pile if I've ever heard one. Jimi Tenor doesn't not stand on >his own..... two artists that come to mind are The Gentle People (Rephlex) >and Tipsy (Asphodel). Both are artists who embrace both the warm fuzzies of >lounge, yet use loads of electronics to produce a very clean and >comfortable sound. It's almost like some sorta lounge/techno hybrid, and >nothing beats it. Perfect to relax to after a long day.

yeah, I won't argue with you about that, but I'm pretty sure the reason that Jimi Tenor is being discussed here is coz he's on Warp, which is an IDM label, which inherintly means he's IDM (IMO he is, Greg also agreed here) but it's not because he's on Warp, it's because his music is electronic music, which is what most people on this list have forgotten, and then IDM seemed to mean nothing, like Jan posted, and then others agreed, and member even said he was leaving the list. Well really, this list should be renamed to EDM, Electronic Dance Music mailing list. It would put a hamper on the spiffy IBM-ripoff logo ;) but I think that there will always be people saying U2 is crap-- people that are always saying The Prodigy is crap because it's going commercial. :I and there will always be endless arguments about it, it seems.. :( -- __ __\ \ Aurafix aka Hillie / PHD ^ DAMONES (aka Rare Guy) / /_\ \ http://www.clark.net/pub/buh/index.html \_____/ >> buh@clark.net >> < > .. >> .<>> >> > , m7= inducing mindwaves.. electronic techno muuusik controlled manually by a p h e x t wi n .. .. . . .

Re: (idm) The Tenor has some very nice clothes, mind you! :)