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1997-03-08 17:47Seofon (idm) Re: Pommes Fritz
1997-03-09 00:11Ian McCausland Re: (idm) Re: Pommes Fritz
1997-03-09 07:45COLDCUTS Re: (idm) Re: Pommes Fritz
└─ 1997-03-10 02:22Greg Earle (idm) Re: Pommes Fritz
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1997-03-08 17:47Seofon>> The fact that someone dislikes Pomme Fritz and Orbus Terrarum doesn't >> automatically
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quoted 8 lines The fact that someone dislikes Pomme Fritz and Orbus Terrarum doesn't>> The fact that someone dislikes Pomme Fritz and Orbus Terrarum doesn't >> automatically imply that that person just wants to hear the band crank out >> clones of "Little Fluffy Clouds" for the next fifteen years. I like hearing >> bands progress -- it just happens that Pomme Fritz caught them progressing in >> a direction I wasn't interested in riding along for. > >Indeed. I was going to say the same thing (I've not heard "Orbus Terrarum"). >"Pomme Fritz" was far too aimless noodling for me.
For the sake of dissenting opinions, I'll just throw it out there that, of all the Orb's releases, _Pommes_ probably gets the most play in this house. Furthermore, I performed following Dr Alex DJ-ing at an event last December, and in our post-gig chit-chat he told us all about _PF_ in a most animated and enthusiastic fashion. Fatigue and his accent made total comprehension difficult, but I recall bits about Jim Jones and big city-related holograms(?). He's obviously quite proud of it. The whole release had a KLF-ish element to it, as I recall. Weren't they billing it as "Little Fluffy Clouds 2"? I always enjoy playing or hearing it in chill rooms, as the sample seems to be quite a nose-thumbing at ravers and the ambient culture that the Orb inadvertantly generated ("So, now you're all lobotomised! Ya happy?") Anyway, IMHO, _PF_ is quite an interesting listen, and has more serious content than usual for the Orb. Disconcerting, but admirable. --Seofon
1997-03-09 00:11Ian McCauslandSeofon,seofon@wco.com,Internet writes: Anyway, IMHO, _PF_ is quite an interesting listen,
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Seofon,seofon@wco.com,Internet writes: Anyway, IMHO, _PF_ is quite an interesting listen, and has more serious content than usual for the Orb. Disconcerting, but admirable. the one and oly time I did shrooms, I sat down and listened to PF on headphones... and I loved it... still do,.......
1997-03-09 07:45COLDCUTSSeofon sed: > For the sake of dissenting opinions, I'll just throw it out there that, of >
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Seofon sed:
quoted 7 lines For the sake of dissenting opinions, I'll just throw it out there that, of> For the sake of dissenting opinions, I'll just throw it out there that, of > all the Orb's releases, _Pommes_ probably gets the most play in this house. > Furthermore, I performed following Dr Alex DJ-ing at an event last > December, and in our post-gig chit-chat he told us all about _PF_ in a most > animated and enthusiastic fashion. Fatigue and his accent made total > comprehension difficult, but I recall bits about Jim Jones and big > city-related holograms(?). He's obviously quite proud of it.
quoted 5 lines The whole release had a KLF-ish element to it, as I recall. Weren't they> The whole release had a KLF-ish element to it, as I recall. Weren't they > billing it as "Little Fluffy Clouds 2"? I always enjoy playing or hearing > it in chill rooms, as the sample seems to be quite a nose-thumbing at > ravers and the ambient culture that the Orb inadvertantly generated ("So, > now you're all lobotomised! Ya happy?")
quoted 2 lines Anyway, IMHO, _PF_ is quite an interesting listen, and has more serious> Anyway, IMHO, _PF_ is quite an interesting listen, and has more serious > content than usual for the Orb. Disconcerting, but admirable.
as well Ian McCausland sed:
quoted 2 lines the one and oly time I did shrooms, I sat down and listened to PF on> the one and oly time I did shrooms, I sat down and listened to PF on > headphones... and I loved it... still do,.......
The only way to truly experience the Orb properly and with respect, as otherwise you miss out on 90% of what's hidden in the music.. Of all the electronic artists honing their production skills over the years, no one IMO has truly gone over that edge of being able to create such multi-layered masterpieces as Patterson and his cronies... PF blew me to further dimensions and exponentially so after chemically testing it (mind you, I've been testing large quantities of sound faithfully for the past 7 years with the same set, setting & soundsystem...4 dimensional listening tends to seperate the gems from the dross). It did have a dark quality with Reverend Jones gibbering and a surreality that didn't go to these lengths in past releases, and this is where Orb fans split into two factions: those that loved the new direction and those that couldn't get past the straight ahead trippiness of the earlier output. I guess this is where the little blurb and ripping sound comes into play on Orbus Terrarium at the end of the 3rd side (ooeerr.. certain albums you just play from beginning til end and never really bother connecting track titles to the track) saying something akin to "the movement is split right down the middle". Ditto! (This did indeed seperate the ones who listened to them for it's fluffy aspects with those that appreciated it's depth) (alas, most people I knew were on the other side of the fence) From PF and OT to the production on the Subsurfing's 'The Number Readers' and FFWD, the multi-dimensional layering and success of sculpting so many levels AND giving them cohesion has yet to be surpassed, IMHO. Many are experts at sound sculpture in general, yet most build two level houses while the Orb production crew create towering skyscrapers that never leave your perception of what sound can be organized into, even after not listening to any of the mentioned releases for a year (so many beautiful new releases, so little time). I still haven't listened to the new album, but I can't wait to get blown away once more, not by listening to it in a pop-sense, but in terms of 'holographic' sonic construction. There IS one album/producer that has reached similar extents IMO, that being Piquet (PK) with "The Faulty Caress" CD on Mute/Parallell.... Another 'artist' in the truest sense of the word who's worked for years perfecting his skill... Anybody can pick up an MC303, effects processors and other gear and twiddle their knobs and get funky sounds.... Certain individuals like R.D. James & M. Paradinas tweaking and programming some really fucked stuff....but it still tends to be fairly flat in creation (though excellent none-the-less). And then there are those that know what neurological buttons it takes to push in order to succeed transporting you to a new headspace, and make you sit still in awe, mouth gaping, trying to take in all this information that's overwhelming you.. Many can make cool sounds (I'll admit to being insanely titilated by Mego, Sahko & finnish ilk....when it comes to the sounds themselves..) And many can lull you with the most beautiful melodies (Global Comm, Turner/Handley (ex-Black Dog) Roman/Wuttke (Alter Ego)) But few combine the two to maximum effect. John Quest ++Psyberpunk++ ++Reality Hacker++ ++Evader of the Psychic Censor++ ++Techno-Shaman for the Elevated (naturally or otherwise)++ ++Sex Magick, Designer Drugs & Machines that go PING!!++ np: Sven Vath - Harlequin Plays Bells [Alter Ego hells bells mix] (and any personal mail regarding exchanging of sonic discoveries would put a smile on my face. Is there some treat that I haven't had the enjoyment of experiencing yet?? Do tell..)
1997-03-10 02:22Greg EarleCOLDCUTS said: >> Anyway, IMHO, _PF_ is quite an interesting listen, and has more serious
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quoted 6 lines Anyway, IMHO, _PF_ is quite an interesting listen, and has more serious>> Anyway, IMHO, _PF_ is quite an interesting listen, and has more serious >> content than usual for the Orb. Disconcerting, but admirable. > > Of all the electronic artists honing their production skills over the years, > no one IMO has truly gone over that edge of being able to create such > multi-layered masterpieces as Patterson and his cronies...
I'll take FSOL, please.
quoted 4 lines [PF] did have a dark quality with Reverend Jones gibbering and a surreality> [PF] did have a dark quality with Reverend Jones gibbering and a surreality > that didn't go to these lengths in past releases, and this is where Orb > fans split into two factions: those that loved the new direction and those > that couldn't get past the straight ahead trippiness of the earlier output.
Oh, please! I didn't compare "Pommes Fritz" with earlier Orb in my head, I simply listened to it a few times and I still assert that it's mostly aimless noodling, and therefore uninteresting to me. FSOL are sometimes prone to noodling as well, but they do it in such a way that it's mostly interesting to me, so I don't mind it (FSOL's noodling is more like "brapping" to use some Skinny Puppy parlance, an audio collage technique to interconnect pieces in a seamless fashion).
quoted 2 lines (This did indeed seperate the ones who listened to them for its fluffy> (This did indeed seperate the ones who listened to them for its fluffy > aspects with those that appreciated its depth)
I resent the implication that those of us who didn't like "Pommes Fritz" are those who listen to The Orb for their "fluffy aspects".
quoted 4 lines From PF and OT to the production on the Subsurfing's 'The Number> From PF and OT to the production on the Subsurfing's 'The Number > Readers' and FFWD, the multi-dimensional layering and success of > sculpting so many levels AND giving them cohesion has yet to be > surpassed, IMHO.
I still think FSOL blows them (and everybody else) out of the water, IMHO.
quoted 3 lines I still haven't listened to the new album, but I can't wait to get blown> I still haven't listened to the new album, but I can't wait to get blown > away once more, not by listening to it in a pop-sense, but in terms of > 'holographic' sonic construction.
Well, let's see what you think when you discover that "Toxygene" is "the fluffy stuff" (and damn good fluffy stuff it is, too - just saw the video on AMP last night).
quoted 11 lines Anybody can pick up an MC303, effects processors and other gear and> Anybody can pick up an MC303, effects processors and other gear and > twiddle their knobs and get funky sounds ... > > Certain individuals like R.D. James & M. Paradinas tweaking and > programming some really fucked stuff ... but it still tends to be fairly flat > in creation (though excellent none-the-less). > > And then there are those that know what neurological buttons it takes to > push in order to succeed transporting you to a new headspace, and make > you sit still in awe, mouth gaping, trying to take in all this information > that's overwhelming you.
You're joking, right? Have you heard the "Analogue Bubblebath 3" CD? Or "Tango & Vectif"? "Bluff Limbo"? If someone asked me to play them something that fit your bottom-most paragraph, I'd pull out "Bluff Limbo" and play the last track ("Ethereal Murmurings") ... - Greg