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quoted 7 lines It seems to me that Autechre and AFX are among favorites here. I have

> It seems to me that Autechre and AFX are among favorites here. I have >"I care.." and only like the first, fourth, and last tracks (strings, melody) > I also own "Amber," and only listened to it once when I first got it about >a year ago. You might think me a fool, but I found it to be mostly bleeps >and fx, it was OK-- but no real "songs." Can anyone recommend anything >melodic by these folks? Or at least something with a reasonable amount of >musical structure.

Aphex Twin: Selected Ambient Works '85-'92. IMO his most accessible and melodic work, the most tuneful. Probably my favorite of his. Autechre: Incunabula. Definitely their most accessible if you find Amber hard to digest.Mind you "bleeps and fx" are par for the course for these guys, but a little less so on this release. Peace. James

I'm new to the list, so please bear with my ignorance............ It seems to me that Autechre and AFX are among favorites here. I have "I care.." and only like the first, fourth, and last tracks (strings, melody) I also own "Amber," and only listened to it once when I first got it about a year ago. You might think me a fool, but I found it to be mostly bleeps and fx, it was OK-- but no real "songs." Can anyone recommend anything melodic by these folks? Or at least something with a reasonable amount of musical structure. In my own defense, I am not completely ignorant of this music. I have been listening to the likes of Klaus Shulze, Tangering Dream, Synergy, and Jean Michelle Jarre for over ten years. Some of my more recent favorites include Salt Tank, Astralasia, Amorphous Androgynous (FSOL), Optica, Orbital, Cocteau Twins, Bel Canto, Banco De Gaia**, The Beloved, Oliver Lieb**(all aliases), Friends Lovers, and Family, Syzygy, Spooky, Koxbox, Robert Miles (Don't caugh!), Moodswings, and of course.. Juno Reactor***. Considering the bands that I like, am I on the wrong list? Or am I missing something. I know that a lot of what I mentioned is more toward the side of dance music. So as a last note I will mention that I do have both Apollo comps, and like them a lot. I also like excursions in ambience 1 and 2, and also ambient dub 2. And also "...from Heaven" by Manna is a very good track from a decent disc. So considering how fond you all are of Autechre and AFX, can you recommend anything from them that I would like??? -------------------------------Izzo....

I've never been a big Autechre fan and just don't get anything AFX has done since Bubblebath 4. That said, earlier AFX releases are great -- for melodic stuff with beats, try SAW I, without beats, SAW II. -- Chris OnNow: Teep - Drumbeat Gumbo

On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Christopher Klausmeier wrote:

quoted 1 line I've never been a big Autechre fan and just don't get anything AFX has

> I've never been a big Autechre fan and just don't get anything AFX has

As is the case with most accomplished artists, when they're on they're ON and when they stink, plug your nose up. I'm enamored with WAP89X, specifically, Draun Quarter, which tugs at those heartstrings with gentle piano musings over a subtley funky rhythm. Of course I don't let it play to the end w/out punching a backbone of blip and bass (think electrecord - telefunken) upside it's heady structure. Mmmm nicely!

quoted 2 lines done since Bubblebath 4. That said, earlier AFX releases are great -- for

> done since Bubblebath 4. That said, earlier AFX releases are great -- for > melodic stuff with beats, try SAW I, without beats, SAW II.

As for RDJ, I too quit the habit of leaping before I look. For me I just feel like there's more ass kicking to be done then fun poking. I mean, he's got the goods but shoots them all full of holes with superwanky sounds of slide whistles and crap of that sort. I think he'd make some killer kids albums for generation Z but we'd have to edit them down to a G rating of course. I keep hoping he proves me wrong but in the mean time there's gobs of good releases picking up where he left off and even moving forward (aka dusted rich!) Check my recent top tens -> http://beyond.hnt.com/ for the ammo. I think some 'old' school IDMers might be tickled to see a "thumpy" number up there atop the list (hood-detroit:onecircle) but hey, live and learn.

quoted 1 line OnNow: Teep - Drumbeat Gumbo

> OnNow: Teep - Drumbeat Gumbo

Awwwww <snif snif> I think you need a tp.refresher course. In particular I'm quite fond of my latest tape called "untitled 1/97" which features 2 cuts from the most underrated 2x12" of 1996, X-Asp on rephlex (MY GOD THE UZIQ MIX THERE IS UNNNGGGHHHH!!!!), plus selected hott-cuts from 12"'s you'll never see or hear because the guy only presses like 100 at a time (think FERENC) and some flashbacks to gescom on source (motor1 ANY1?) kao-tic harmony, science fiction, and TCM...ahh and the Voder. <chk chk> ;-) Sincere apologies for letters/tapes never sent, after a good in person visit from an old skool IDMer (hi phlowwww!) I've decided I'll try the put-up-don't-shut-up thing once again and resubbed to this noisy room. And I'm slowly getting orders filled and shipped w/regard to rorschach tekniques. Nose to the grindstone (yours SUCKA!) Teep OnNow: gerhard potuznik - viper (thanks for the tape nick!)

Perhaps you ought to take a shot at Anvil Vapre and Garbage if melody is what you want from Autechre. On Wed, 5 Mar 1997 EvilIzzo@aol.com wrote:

quoted 26 lines I'm new to the list, so please bear with my ignorance............

> I'm new to the list, so please bear with my ignorance............ > It seems to me that Autechre and AFX are among favorites here. I have > "I care.." and only like the first, fourth, and last tracks (strings, melody) > I also own "Amber," and only listened to it once when I first got it about > a year ago. You might think me a fool, but I found it to be mostly bleeps > and fx, it was OK-- but no real "songs." Can anyone recommend anything > melodic by these folks? Or at least something with a reasonable amount of > musical structure. > In my own defense, I am not completely ignorant of this music. I have > been listening to the likes of Klaus Shulze, Tangering Dream, Synergy, and > Jean Michelle Jarre for over ten years. Some of my more recent favorites > include Salt Tank, Astralasia, Amorphous Androgynous (FSOL), Optica, Orbital, > Cocteau Twins, Bel Canto, Banco De Gaia**, The Beloved, Oliver Lieb**(all > aliases), Friends Lovers, and Family, Syzygy, Spooky, Koxbox, Robert Miles > (Don't caugh!), Moodswings, and of course.. Juno Reactor***. > Considering the bands that I like, am I on the wrong list? Or am I > missing something. I know that a lot of what I mentioned is more toward the > side of dance music. So as a last note I will mention that I do have both > Apollo comps, and like them a lot. I also like excursions in ambience 1 and > 2, and also ambient dub 2. And also "...from Heaven" by Manna is a very good > track from a decent disc. > So considering how fond you all are of Autechre and AFX, can you > recommend anything from them that I would like??? > > -------------------------------Izzo.... >

On Wed, 5 Mar 1997 EvilIzzo@aol.com wrote:

quoted 7 lines It seems to me that Autechre and AFX are among favorites here. I have

> It seems to me that Autechre and AFX are among favorites here. I have > "I care.." and only like the first, fourth, and last tracks (strings, melody) > I also own "Amber," and only listened to it once when I first got it about > a year ago. You might think me a fool, but I found it to be mostly bleeps > and fx, it was OK-- but no real "songs." Can anyone recommend anything > melodic by these folks? Or at least something with a reasonable amount of > musical structure.

One of the things I like most about IDM and Amber in particular is that it operates mostly beyond the restraints of traditional (and boring) concepts of what consitutes a "song." If you listen carefully you'll discover that it's just a structure and progression you're not accustomed to. This is a GOOD THING! We've spent the last several hundred years working western ideas of melody and harmony into the ground. Isn't it time for something new? Miles

If anyone ask me anything about idm, I always tell them to check out 'Dead Cities', by FSOL. The more I listen to it, the more I believe it's one of the best records I own. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ M a t h i a s V e r r a e s ET.Phone.Home@ThePentagon.com 'Wer dem Publikum dient, ist ein armes Tier Er quält sich ab, niemand bedankt sich dafür' ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----------

quoted 7 lines Van: EvilIzzo@aol.com

> Van: EvilIzzo@aol.com > Aan: idm@hyperreal.com > Onderwerp: (idm) You might think me a fool.... > Datum: woensdag 5 maart 1997 20:21 > > I'm new to the list, so please bear with my ignorance............ > It seems to me that Autechre and AFX are among favorites here. I

have

quoted 1 line "I care.." and only like the first, fourth, and last tracks (strings,

> "I care.." and only like the first, fourth, and last tracks (strings,

melody)

quoted 1 line I also own "Amber," and only listened to it once when I first got it

> I also own "Amber," and only listened to it once when I first got it

about

quoted 1 line a year ago. You might think me a fool, but I found it to be mostly

> a year ago. You might think me a fool, but I found it to be mostly

bleeps

quoted 2 lines and fx, it was OK-- but no real "songs." Can anyone recommend anything

> and fx, it was OK-- but no real "songs." Can anyone recommend anything > melodic by these folks? Or at least something with a reasonable amount

of

quoted 2 lines musical structure.

> musical structure. > In my own defense, I am not completely ignorant of this music. I

have

quoted 1 line been listening to the likes of Klaus Shulze, Tangering Dream, Synergy,

> been listening to the likes of Klaus Shulze, Tangering Dream, Synergy,

and

quoted 2 lines Jean Michelle Jarre for over ten years. Some of my more recent favorites

> Jean Michelle Jarre for over ten years. Some of my more recent favorites > include Salt Tank, Astralasia, Amorphous Androgynous (FSOL), Optica,

Orbital,

quoted 2 lines Cocteau Twins, Bel Canto, Banco De Gaia**, The Beloved, Oliver Lieb**(all

> Cocteau Twins, Bel Canto, Banco De Gaia**, The Beloved, Oliver Lieb**(all > aliases), Friends Lovers, and Family, Syzygy, Spooky, Koxbox, Robert

Miles

quoted 3 lines (Don't caugh!), Moodswings, and of course.. Juno Reactor***.

> (Don't caugh!), Moodswings, and of course.. Juno Reactor***. > Considering the bands that I like, am I on the wrong list? Or am I > missing something. I know that a lot of what I mentioned is more toward

the

quoted 1 line side of dance music. So as a last note I will mention that I do have

> side of dance music. So as a last note I will mention that I do have

both

quoted 1 line Apollo comps, and like them a lot. I also like excursions in ambience 1

> Apollo comps, and like them a lot. I also like excursions in ambience 1

and

quoted 1 line 2, and also ambient dub 2. And also "...from Heaven" by Manna is a very

> 2, and also ambient dub 2. And also "...from Heaven" by Manna is a very

good

quoted 5 lines track from a decent disc.

> track from a decent disc. > So considering how fond you all are of Autechre and AFX, can you > recommend anything from them that I would like??? > > -------------------------------Izzo....

Deng <nsmcp9747@ALPHA.NSULA.EDU> writes:

quoted 2 lines Perhaps you ought to take a shot at Anvil Vapre and Garbage if melody is

> Perhaps you ought to take a shot at Anvil Vapre and Garbage if melody is > what you want from Autechre.

Personally, I wouldn't call anvil vapre very melodic, except perhaps for second peng (are there two anvil vapre cds or one ? I've seen two vinyls..). Garbage is, though. I'd also recommend Basscad,ep (basscadetmxs). -- supercomputer radar South Africa radar North Korea Legion of Doom Serbian SDI NSA Honduras Kennedy Mossad Nazi Delta Force Waco, Texas

Miles Egan wrote:

quoted 2 lines If you listen carefully you'll discover that it's just a structure

> If you listen carefully you'll discover that it's just a structure > and progression you're not accustomed to.

Spot on. And this list is a discussion group for people who share a taste for such intellectually challenging forms of music. In a muscial sense asking: "feed me weird things". Maybe the "I" in IDM should be "intellectual" rather than "intelligent"? But then maybe not. Isn't the word "intellectual" a euphemism for (potential) "political-prisoner" in most countries? -- ____ ______ ____\ Q-Force mailto:qforce@graviton.levels.unisa.edu.au \_____ _____\ Visit http://graviton.levels.unisa.edu.au/~qforce/ \____

Miles Egan <cullen@aimnet.com> wrote:

quoted 1 line One of the things I like most about IDM and Amber in particular is that

> One of the things I like most about IDM and Amber in particular is that

it

quoted 1 line operates mostly beyond the restraints of traditional (and boring)

> operates mostly beyond the restraints of traditional (and boring)

concepts

quoted 2 lines of what consitutes a "song." If you listen carefully you'll discover that

> of what consitutes a "song." If you listen carefully you'll discover that > it's just a structure and progression you're not accustomed to. This is

a

quoted 3 lines GOOD THING!

> GOOD THING! > > We've spent the last several hundred years working western ideas of

melody

quoted 1 line and harmony into the ground. Isn't it time for something new?

> and harmony into the ground. Isn't it time for something new?

Autechre, Amber and rdj are not the only ways to make completely new music. If possible, check out some recent Belgian bands like: dEUS, Moondog Jr., Flowers For Breakfast (Avant-garde rock) Kiss My Jazz (Avant-garde jazz) Die Anarchistische Abendunterhaltung (Experimental neo-classicism) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ M a t h i a s V e r r a e s ET.Phone.Home@ThePentagon.com 'Wer dem Publikum dient, ist ein armes Tier Er quält sich ab, niemand bedankt sich dafür' ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

quoted 1 line Autechre, Amber and rdj are not the only ways to make completely new

> Autechre, Amber and rdj are not the only ways to make completely new

music.

quoted 4 lines If possible, check out some recent Belgian bands like:

> If possible, check out some recent Belgian bands like: > dEUS, Moondog Jr., Flowers For Breakfast (Avant-garde rock) > Kiss My Jazz (Avant-garde jazz) > Die Anarchistische Abendunterhaltung (Experimental neo-classicism)

these might be too obvious but maybe some Frank Zappa or King Crimson (Bob Fripp's band) too. kyle