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(idm) "Rags" to riches

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1997-02-05 13:30Dennis O'Hare (idm) NIN and the mainstream
└─ 1997-02-05 15:04Che Re: (idm) NIN and the mainstream
1997-02-05 23:23Adam J Weitzman (idm) "Rags" to riches
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1997-02-05 13:30Dennis O'HareI think it can be summed up like this: Trent introduced a lot of people to heavy electroni
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Wed, 5 Feb 1997 07:30:38 -0600
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I think it can be summed up like this: Trent introduced a lot of people to heavy electronic music with "Pretty Hate Machine." I don't think that Ministry could have risen to the heights that they did, even with Lollapalooza (did I spell that right?) if Trent hadn't paved the way. Trent's innovation to heavy electronic music has been the commercial hook. It's almost as if the whole scene has come full circle. In the early 80's, bands like Skinny Puppy, Front 242, etc., decided NOT to follow synth music into the charts ala Depeche Mode. They went underground to develop the techniques and sounds that a lot of these mainstream artists are using now. With electronica poised to burst out into the mainstream market, we will again have a flood of hangers-on. After all, this is the music BUSINESS we're talking about. Unfortunately, it has more to do with business than music. New bands will be signed not on the basis of their artistic merit, but on how much they sound like the current "best-seller." Look at how many NIN clones are on the radio. Same thing happened with Pearl Jam and Nirvana. Once a band defines a sound, there will always be imitators trying to cash in on the popularity of the sound. So, yes, the mall crowd may be listening to Aphex Twin, Chemical Brothers, etc., over the next few years. BUT, once the "trend" is over and something new comes out, you'll see a lot of those CD's at used shops. And yes, we need to educate these newcomers by showing them that's there's a hell of a lot more to it than what MTV or radio will be playing. As far as "The Perfect Drug" is concerned, I'd probably like it if it weren't for that goofy chorus. Hopefully, the remixes will DELETE the chorus. The rest of it isn't all that bad. Dennis O'Hare noise@webtv.net
1997-02-05 15:04CheOn Wed, 5 Feb 1997, Dennis O'Hare wrote: > I think it can be summed up like this: > > Tren
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On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, Dennis O'Hare wrote:
quoted 5 lines I think it can be summed up like this:> I think it can be summed up like this: > > Trent introduced a lot of people to heavy electronic music with "Pretty > Hate Machine." I don't think that Ministry could have risen to the > heights that they did, even with Lollapalooza (did I spell that right?)
No, it's spelled "Lalasforlosers". Che
1997-02-05 23:23Adam J WeitzmanYou have to wonder what's happening, with many major US magazines publishing about this "n
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You have to wonder what's happening, with many major US magazines publishing about this "new" kind of music. I imagine that the only reason people are looking into this at all is because of people like David Bowie, U2 and Nine Inch Nails, multi-platinum artists all, who have stated that they like this stuff, they listen to this stuff, and they are interested in incorporating it into their own sound. On the other side, you have record companies thinking, if million-selling artists are incorporating this stuff, it will become very popular, and since people are always looking for something new, these "new" techno bands that have gone the other way to incorporate vocals and "rock" trappings into their music (ie, Prodigy, Chemical Brothers, Underworld) are the ones they're going to woo, to make it easier for them in their first efforts in trying to bring this stuff mainstream. This shouldn't come as any major surprise, really, when you think about what led the press (and MTV) to this point. Some will feel vindicated, some will feel injustice, some will be outraged. I don't need the press to tell me what to listen to, and neither do most of the people on this list, so there's really no need to feel threatened by anything. Even the Newsweek article admitted that the Prodigy are a decidedly lesser image of this music, a shell with all the guts of history and experimentation removed. That said, they also gave them the "most likely to succeed" appellation for exactly that reason. But who knows? Maybe the likes of James, Paradinas and Jenkinson will surprise everyone and be the chart front-runners. I doubt it, but wouldn't it be fun? Why is it any less likely than gangsta rap? My feeling is, if it puts more people in tune with the cool stuff even as it makes the more mainstream stuff wildly popular, that's a good thing. Aphex Twin = Brian Wilson? I think perhaps Frank Zappa is a better analogy. -- Adam J Weitzman "Getting [your computer] to work is no more Individual, Inc. difficult than building a nuclear reactor weitzman@individual.com from wristwatch parts using only your teeth." http://www.individual.com - Dave Barry