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i'll prob'ly get in trouble here, but ah well... Kent wrote:

quoted 4 lines Labradford (Kranky 013) The Labradford boys were ambient before ambient

>Labradford (Kranky 013) The Labradford boys were ambient before ambient >was cool, they were indie back when it meant something, and groups >like Tortoise have to give them their due as originators of the only >adventurous genre left in guitar rock.

Now I love Labradford, but "originators of the only adventurous genre left in guitar rock?" Isn't that a bit much? as far as tortoise goes, both bands date back to approximately the same time (although the labradford 7" may have predated the first tortoise 7"s)...and, to boot, stylistically, tortoise do pretty different things than labradford. Perhaps one of the greatest things tortoise has done lately is to offer a feasible crossover between rock instrumentation & dj remixing. Labradford was remixed by Jim O'rourke early on, but haven't made a contribution anywhere near that of Tortoise's. Not trying to start a fight here...and i'm sure you all are as tired of relentless tortoise-hype as i am... just offering another perspective. Sorry for the non-idm content. Btw, kent, i dig the reviews, overall. Definitely not enough of those in here. --phil philiphughsherburne brownudeptofenglish *providenceriusofa* 401 .453 .4116 -->our ears are now in excellent condition --john cage

On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, Philip H. Sherburne wrote:

quoted 13 lines i'll prob'ly get in trouble here, but ah well...

> i'll prob'ly get in trouble here, but ah well... > > Kent wrote: > >Labradford (Kranky 013) The Labradford boys were ambient before ambient > >was cool, they were indie back when it meant something, and groups > >like Tortoise have to give them their due as originators of the only > >adventurous genre left in guitar rock. > > tortoise do pretty different things than labradford. Perhaps one of the > greatest things tortoise has done lately is to offer a feasible crossover > between rock instrumentation & dj remixing. Labradford was remixed by Jim > O'rourke early on, but haven't made a contribution anywhere near that of > Tortoise's.

While we're on the subject of Tortoise... does anyone know why their first remix lp (Rhythms, Resolutions, and Clusters) is out of print? I mean are they trying to encourage the trainspotter/collector mentality or are there copyright issues involved? I recall seeing some of the titles on a Japanese cd but don't exactly feel like paying $30+ for it. The pisser is I vividly remember seeing this album in the bins a year or two ago _before_ I got into them. thanks, Howie

phil writes:

quoted 5 lines tortoise do pretty different things than labradford. Perhaps one of the

>> tortoise do pretty different things than labradford. Perhaps one of the >> greatest things tortoise has done lately is to offer a feasible crossover >> between rock instrumentation & dj remixing. Labradford was remixed by Jim >> O'rourke early on, but haven't made a contribution anywhere near that of >> Tortoise's.

labradford has never been mixed by o'rourke. i think you're confusing them with main. as far as labradford's contribution being equal to tortoise, listen to labradford's 7" on merge which came out around 2 years before the latest tortoise lp and tell me there isn't some idea-borrowing going on, especially the last song on the tortoise album. for the most part though, these two groups don't have too much in common musically both on record and playing live. howie writes:

quoted 2 lines While we're on the subject of Tortoise... does anyone know why their first

>While we're on the subject of Tortoise... does anyone know why their first >remix lp (Rhythms, Resolutions, and Clusters) is out of print?

it was advertised at the time as being a strict 1-run pressing. i forget the amount off-hand; probably 1,000 or so. i think there was an uncleared sample which prevented future re-pressings of it as well. david *+* np:burger/ink 12" http://home.connectnet.com/lotus/

On Thu, 16 Jan 1997, Erkki Rautio <trerra@uta.fi> wrote:

quoted 8 lines As people on this list seem also to be interested in

>As people on this list seem also to be interested in >the experimental-style guitar bands a la Tortoise, >Stereolab, Labradford et al., I would like to >recommend you to check out CIRCLE from Pori, Finland. >Basically they play drone/Krautrock-kind of hypno >stuff and their gigs can be really trance-inducing >experiments (for me, they have been, at least), >I suppose this band will be BIG.

Erkki's summary doesn't come close to capturing how incredible Circle are. if you have even the least bit of a 'tooth' for Krautrock, Loop/H&STC, US-variations-therein such as Jessamine and Cul de Sac, splintering noise of the Skullflower/Whitehouse/early NWW variety, then you should check out the two Circle albums (_Meronia_, _Zopalki_ -both on Bad Vugum) immediately. they moodswing from heavy repetitive-riffing to chiming feathery ambience. if you can find the 2x12" versions of the albums (or any of their 7"s), they'd probably mix interestingly with some hard minimal techno. adventurous DJs should play around with this idea. until last night, i never realized how well NWW/Whitehouse's _150 Murderous Passions_ mixed with Plaid's Red Snapper remix!! GuerillaG2-G4/ gg np: Le Orme - Live Orme. yikes!

gman2@sprynet.com wrote:

quoted 8 lines On Thu, 16 Jan 1997, Erkki Rautio <trerra@uta.fi> wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Jan 1997, Erkki Rautio <trerra@uta.fi> wrote: > >recommend you to check out CIRCLE from Pori, Finland. > >Basically they play drone/Krautrock-kind of hypno > >stuff and their gigs can be really trance-inducing > >experiments (for me, they have been, at least), > >I suppose this band will be BIG. > > Erkki's summary doesn't come close to capturing how incredible Circle are.

Well, hyping things up have never been my cup of tea, even if I thought they were *worth* it ;)

quoted 2 lines then you should check out the two Circle albums (_Meronia_, _Zopalki_

> then you should check out the two Circle albums (_Meronia_, _Zopalki_ > -both on Bad Vugum) immediately.

There's also their third album, _Hissi_ that came out at the end of '96 on Metamorphos label (Fin)... For more info, refer to the discog at <http://www.uta.fi/~tlolso/circle/circle.htm>. ekku the maintainer of pHinnWeb - everything u ever wanted to know about Finnish techno scene but were too afraid of the reindeer trerra@uta.fi | http://www.uta.fi/~trerra | http://www.sci.fi/~phinnweb * The Best of '96 -> http://www.uta.fi/~trerra/bestof96.html