On 20 Dec 96 at 0:08, Aran Parillo wrote:
quoted 1 line man, not only do you have no clue about web site engineering...
> man, not only do you have no clue about web site engineering...
Please, enlighten me. It's all very well giving it, "you don't have a
clue", but if you've got none to offer yourself then you're not doing
yourself any favours. If you're the expert, please point me in the
direction of your web site so that I may learn. I've never claimed to
know everything about web site engineering. All I know is that my old
site was popular amongst Iain Banks fans and that out of 18,000
visitors since April 1st, only one has had a moan.
quoted 1 line you have no clue about email protocol.
> you have no clue about email protocol.
Muh!
quoted 2 lines don't ever post private email to a public mailing list shit for
> don't ever post private email to a public mailing list shit for
> brains, got that?
Who said it was a private email? As a result of WarpNet's launch,
several people in here have been discussing the pros and cons of
various web browsers. I just added my two cents, coming from the
point of view of someone's who's already got a web site up and is
soon to relaunch it with some IDM-related info.
If you can't handle a number of reasonable observations, then don't
even bother replying. As it is, you've totally ignored all the points
I made and just decided to dribble about "not having a clue" and
"don't post email to a mailing list".
quoted 2 lines and so what if you're not a freeloading student do you think that
> and so what if you're not a freeloading student do you think that
> sets you apart somehow?
Nope. I didn't say anything of the sort. It was just a
tongue-in-cheek comment, which is obviously going to be lost on you
and the rest of the Class of Bypassed Humour 1996.
quoted 2 lines that's a rhetorical question. don't answer it on idm ok there
> that's a rhetorical question. don't answer it on idm ok there
> champer.
Sorry, that trick's not going to work with me. "I'll have my say on
the mailing list, but I'll tell you to shut up and not answer on the
mailing list." So, you think that sets you apart somehow? Why are you
allowed to reply in this list and I'm not?
Here's the bottom line -- if you send me a message in the list, I'll
reply to you in the list. If you send me a message via email, I'll
reply to you via email.
quoted 2 lines save your pennies and precious time and do us all a favour and go
> save your pennies and precious time and do us all a favour and go
> away. we don't need you kind here. serious.
Sorry, I'm staying. I've been quite happy talking about Autechre,
Gescom, 808 State, Aphex Twin etc these past few weeks. What gives
you the right to suggest I'm not wanted? I posted up a message
explaining my reasons for giving my IDM-related website a Netscape
bias and you've totally flown off the handle. If you can't handle
some reasonable observations on that particular subject, then kindly
don't join in the conversation.
I've been into IDM a long time. I've written and released IDM albums
and EPs. If I want to stay here and chat, I will. Just because you
can't accept the fact that my forthcoming website is going to have a
Netscape bias, what gives you the right to suggest I'm not wanted
here? Are you going to ask representatives of Warp Records to leave
this list, just because their website is Netscape/Java-biased?
Look, I'll repeat myself just to make sure I'm getting through to
you. My website will be biased towards Netscape browsers, although
others will be able to access it to some degree. In fact, since I'm
not (currently) using Java scripts, my website will be more
accessable than WarpNet.
So, my new-look website will just follow the same design philosophy
-- ie, it will be geared towards Netscape. If other people are unable
to access the site then I'm very sorry, but that's the way it is.
It's not as if I'm charging people to access my site, so why should
people complain if they can't access it? I've never pretended that
anyone other than Netscape users are going to be able to access it,
so where's the problem?
quoted 2 lines btw: web incompatibility is not a fucking choice, it's how it should
> btw: web incompatibility is not a fucking choice, it's how it should
> be done.
I agree, but companies like Microsoft haven't made it easy. Before
they suddenly woke up to the web, Netscape were dominating. Now
Microsoft are throwing spanners in the work by throwing in their
not-entirely-Netscape-compatible browser with their operating system.
Result? Everyone who buys Win95 starts going, "Help! All these
Netscape-orientated web sites look funny!"
Mate, I'm sticking with Netscape. It it weren't for them, we wouldn't
even have the web (at least in the form it takes today).
quoted 1 line get used to it or you're going to hate it around here.
> get used to it or you're going to hate it around here.
Well, you're the only person who's taken exception.
quoted 2 lines the 'alternative' versions are not difficult and hardly time
> the 'alternative' versions are not difficult and hardly time
> consuming so whoah there's that leg to stand on gone.
My leg's still here. You see, you've just written a sentence that
looks good on paper, but when you sit down to analyse it, it doesn't
actually say anything. "Alternative versions are not difficult and
hardly time consuming". That's a bit like saying, "Vanilla ice cream
isn't very difficult to make and hardly time consuming."
quoted 2 lines I'm pulling in a steady 500 people a week. If only 1 of them
>> I'm pulling in a steady 500 people a week. If only 1 of them
>> found my site useful, then I've done my job.quoted 1 line I thought the page was for you and your mates and your hobby.
> I thought the page was for you and your mates and your hobby.
That was a generalisation. That's the level at which I approach the
design. I write/design the pages as if it's a small circulation site
just being read by my friends. I don't sit down and think, "Hmm, so
many thousands of people will be reading it and so I must do
everything possible to keep each and every one of them happy."
If you're a huge fuck-off corporation with a web presence and an
abundance of resources, *then* you can afford to start planning a web
site with a huge audience in mind. I'm not a big fuck-off
corporation. It's just me. I'm writing about stuff that I and my
friends love, so that's all I need to do. Of course, I'll put up the
site on the web and advertise its presence. If people want to come
and look, they can. If they don't want to, then fine.
You see, you're coming from the point-of-view that it's wrong of me
to think that way and that I should be doing everything in my power
to make everyone happy. If you can't get around that then it's
pointless us continuing to argue about it, because we're never going
to agree. It all comes down to this -- my web site is for my mates.
If 500 strangers decide to pay it a visit each week, then that's a
bonus. Please tell me -- what's wrong with that approach?
quoted 3 lines You're deluded stop lying to yourself and admit it you think
> You're deluded stop lying to yourself and admit it you think
> you're hot shit and you cant bear the thought that your shit is
> cold.
My web service provider keeps an extensive log of all visitors to its
customers' (ie, me) web sites. I'm not deluding myself. You can check
out the figures for yourself by going to:
http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/sonance/logs/log.html
This week, thus far, there's only been about 280 visitors. Not
surprising when you consider it's the holiday season and people are
returning home from university and unable to access the net. Again,
if only 1 of those 280 visitors found my site interesting, then I'm
pleased.
quoted 1 line ps serious, don't ever post private email to a list
> ps serious, don't ever post private email to a list
What made you think my message was a private email? I draw your
attention to the fact that in this alleged 'private' post, not once
did I start foul-mouthing you, calling you "shit for brains",
suggesting I'm "not welcome here" etc. I just made my observations
about browser compatibility on the web and you decided to overreact
and launch a personal attack on me.
quoted 2 lines one lesson out of this thread, learn that shit or you'll be sorry
> one lesson out of this thread, learn that shit or you'll be sorry
> later on
Ooh, now threats! What are you gonna do, send the boys round? Mate,
just grow up and accept the fact that not everyone in life is going
to hand you things on a silver platter. If you can't accept that fact
that my website is only going to be compatible with the latest
browsers, then *STOP* moaning. If that's your *only* criticism of
what I'm doing then just remember -- I'm not doing this for you. I
don't owe you any favours.
Now, are we going to talk about IDM, or do you want to piss and moan
a bit more?
.+'''+. mark@sonance.demon.co.uk
M A R K
http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/sonance/
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http://www.sonance.demon.co.uk/