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My opinion on the second installment of Amp: It covers the bases! Spoiler alert... you might not want to read further if you taped the show, and don't want to find out what surprise lurks toward the end...  They threw in a 1 - 1.5 minute video compilation, featuring, of all people, Kraftwerk, and Egyptian Lover!!!!!!! Showcased some people breakdancing back in the day. Since I wasn't much into MTV back then (nothing's changed :), I couldn't tell if they were legitimate videos, or just random outtakes of people breakin it down. At any rate, my eyes just about popped out of my socket when I thought they'd be showing a Kraftwerk video there! Kudos for the easter egg! So, who's the spy from MTV lurking on IDM taking the discussions here and turning them into a TV show? :-) -- guyjr@ns.gt.ed.net | I.D.M.- That stage in sleeping when your feet are a.k.a., Guy Elden, Jr. | moving faster than your eyes.

quoted 9 lines They threw in a 1 - 1.5 minute video compilation, featuring, of all people,

> > >They threw in a 1 - 1.5 minute video compilation, featuring, of all people, >Kraftwerk, and Egyptian Lover!!!!!!! Showcased some people breakdancing >back in the day. Since I wasn't much into MTV back then (nothing's changed :), >I couldn't tell if they were legitimate videos, or just random outtakes of >people breakin it down. At any rate, my eyes just about popped out of my >socket when I thought they'd be showing a Kraftwerk video there! >

I do recall in the late 80s several times catching Kraftwerk on MTV, specifically, right after "Electric Cafe" was released. I seem to remember a groovy computer-generated wireframe version of Kraftwerk jamming on "Musique Non-Stop", but it might have all been a dream. 3

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> My opinion on the second installment of Amp: It covers the bases!

They need to get the titles worked out. The Fluke video looked like it was directed by the Designers Republic Crew. They repeated 3 videos (why?). But if this is going to be on every week, it's the shit. The MTV site was finally updated tonite with this weeks schedule (a bit late) so i assume they're working on other stuff, like adding AMP/Loveline/Idiot whatever info to their page. Requests: 1. Donkey R. 2. Halcyon 3. More Egyptian Lover 4. Blue Room 5. The infamous Blech girl donkey film (ucensored version) XOXXOXOXOX, _____ / ,-,_) /,_) (/ RESH Live & Direct from the G-Spot, Orange County, California, USA

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>> My opinion on the second installment of Amp: It covers the bases! > > They need to get the titles worked out. The Fluke video looked like it > was directed by the Designers Republic crew. They repeated 3 videos > (why?). But if this is going to be on every week, it's the shit.

Well, it's certainly still better than anything else on that horrid station, but the second edition was more problematic: (1) Edited videos The FSOL "My Kingdom" video and the Ken Ishii "Extra" (repeated) video were both cut/edited. This is heresy! Show it all or don't show it. Like we'd really miss 2 of those wretched interminable commercials. Do *not* cut/edit the videos, please. (2) Repeated videos I don't mind the Ken Ishii (modulo (1) above), but what, "Cowgirl" again? "The Box" again? (Even if it's really cool) (3) Timing botched titles No, that's not The Prodigy, it's C.J. Bolland. (4) Cock teasing Don't *EVER* play 20 seconds of "Pocket Calculator" without letting it play all the way through ever again!!! AUGGGGGH! That's like the prostitute pulling off and saying "Oh, you want to ORGASM! Another $100." And if you're gonna show 10 seconds of Bambaataa & "Planet Rock" (who thought they saw The Egyptian Lover? I musta blinked), make it the whole shebang, please. (5) Bristol overdose We're getting into subjective arguments at this point, but I really can't see Tricky/Massive Attack/Nearly God (N.G. shown on the M2 teaser right after AMP) as being anything other than slightly evolved Old Music. One video per episode max, please. (6) Vocals - just say no Besides "My Kingdom" and "The Box", most of the other videos had prominent vocals in them. This isn't representative of our culture; this is "let's lure 'em in with crossover appeal". (Vocal stuff - Prodigy, C.J. Bolland, Tricky, Underworld, Massive Attack, Fluke; am I forgetting anyone ... ) I still support the idea of AMP 100%, but please strive to keep up the quality of the first show (original edition; incl. FSOL's "Amoeba"), AMP folks. - Greg

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> (6) Vocals - just say no > > Besides "My Kingdom" and "The Box", most of the other videos had > prominent vocals in them. This isn't representative of our culture; > this is "let's lure 'em in with crossover appeal". (Vocal stuff - > Prodigy, C.J. Bolland, Tricky, Underworld, Massive Attack, Fluke; am I > forgetting anyone ... )

Yes, I was forgetting Chemical Brothers ("Setting Sun", more vocals) ... (although that video's a lot better than the "Life Is Sweet" one) - Greg

on the subject of all this AMP stuff, all I can say is that I am glad I don't have cable! gonzi wrote:

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> / ,-,_) > /,_) >(/ RESH >Live & Direct from the G-Spot, >Orange County, Best Place to Live (but worst to record shop), USA

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hey pal, I sure hope you are being sarcastic. Then again, I don't know what living in Placentia is like. I hate Costa Miserable! NOW more IDM re-lated. Anyone here know of a jungle CD called "Project 23" (I think it's Project, could be Prophet. close enough) I heard it was pretty killer but then I was told it was full of vocals. Anyone have a clue as to what this disc is, any reviews? gil The other idiot in Orange County

quoted 4 lines NOW more IDM re-lated. Anyone here know of a jungle CD called "Project

> NOW more IDM re-lated. Anyone here know of a jungle CD called "Project > 23" (I think it's Project, could be Prophet. close enough) I heard it > was pretty killer but then I was told it was full of vocals. Anyone have > a clue as to what this disc is, any reviews?

it's killer, and it is full of vocals. mb

At 03:53 AM 12/14/96 -0800, you wrote:

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>(1) Edited videos

I was under the impression that the music was edited by the artist for video or radio airplay.

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>(5) Bristol overdose > > We're getting into subjective arguments at this point, but I really can't > see Tricky/Massive Attack/Nearly God (N.G. shown on the M2 teaser right > after AMP) as being anything other than slightly evolved Old Music. One > video per episode max, please.

Old music. Hrmmph. You seem to think that Amp was created under the IDM banner, and to stray from its charter is to simply err. Well, Amp has only been defined as a "showcase" for electronic music, and a "journey for your eyes and ears," and in this context, trip-hop (there I said it) fits quite nicely. If we must throw about such terms as intelligent, I think Tricky's use of samples combined with sonic modulation is quite effective in conveying a mood. BTW, is IDM that's heavily influenced by jazz old music, or is it the vocals that bother you?

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>(6) Vocals - just say no > > Besides "My Kingdom" and "The Box", most of the other videos had > prominent vocals in them. This isn't representative of our culture; > this is "let's lure 'em in with crossover appeal". (Vocal stuff - > Prodigy, C.J. Bolland, Tricky, Underworld, Massive Attack, Fluke; am I > forgetting anyone ... )

Oddly enough, if you tune in to 120 Minutes or Alternative Nation, you're likely to see one IDM video, that flick being, invariably, The Box. It seems so out of place; I would've expected Chemical Brothers to be MTV's gateway to dance music. The only reason I can come up with for why The Box was chosen is that it debunks the stereotype of electronic music being composed of repetitive loops (not an inaccurate representation of the majority of techno heard in America), plus it has those menacing guitar-like sonic washes. You're worried that MTV isn't representative of your culture. I could expound upon that, but suffice it to say that whether you like it or not, MTV, to a large extent, defines pop culture. Just be glad/terrified it's headed your "culture's" way.