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1996-10-20 19:21William D. VanLoo (idm) luke vibert on dust bros...
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1996-10-20 19:21William D. VanLooI saw this pass my screen, and couldn't resist a few quick words... > "I hate trip-hop! I
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Sun, 20 Oct 1996 15:21:23 -0400 (EDT)
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I saw this pass my screen, and couldn't resist a few quick words... > "I hate trip-hop! I don't even know what trip-hop means - if it's The > Dust Brothers then eat my shit, because they're the worst cunts ever. > They just do samples, really, which I never do. But I like some of the > Mo'Wax stuff, some of that's quite deep." > > -Luke Vibert Now this really takes it...I have plenty of respect for Luke Vibert. However...him saying that the Dust Bros., who are as fucking innovative as anyone, are shitty because of using "just samples"...reeks. I'll just remind all involved of mr. vibert's quote from raygun (hey, not exactly a idm bible, but stilll from the man's mouth). It was something to the effect of "after listening to 4 hours worth of beats and easy-listening samples from DAT, I tend to forget where I got things. I'll sample Kool and the Gang, and then not remember until after it's been released - oops! Forgot to clear that...". I'm not really all _that_ upset about this whole thing; after all, it's just one man's opinion, but all in all, it sort of looks like the pot calling the kettle black. bill/dj marathon
1996-10-21 15:20Geotrax1@aol.comIn a message dated 20-10-96 19:29:20, you write: > > "I hate trip-hop! I don't even know w
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Mon, 21 Oct 1996 11:20:55 -0400
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In a message dated 20-10-96 19:29:20, you write:
quoted 4 lines "I hate trip-hop! I don't even know what trip-hop means - if it's The> > "I hate trip-hop! I don't even know what trip-hop means - if it's The > > Dust Brothers then eat my shit, because they're the worst cunts ever. > > They just do samples, really, which I never do. But I like some of the > > Mo'Wax stuff, some of that's quite deep."
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quoted 4 lines Now this really takes it...I have plenty of respect for Luke Vibert.> Now this really takes it...I have plenty of respect for Luke Vibert. > However...him saying that the Dust Bros., who are as fucking innovative as > anyone, are shitty because of using "just samples"...reeks. I'll just > remind all involved of mr. vibert's quote from raygun
I think the emphasis here is on 'just' doing samples - Vibert bases most of his music on samples, yes - but that is just the starting point, he takes the music to a higher level with his startling, original instrumentation. I'm no fan of the Chemical Brothers I admit, but their records seem mostly to be glorified 'megamixes', of quickly stolen passages from other people's records. It's just a huge ripoff of the late 80's Beastie Boys sound, produced by, guess who, the Dust Brothers (the original name the Chemical Brothers had until they were sued by said production team). Except of course, the original Dust Brothers did it properly, with style and funk, instead of this compressed wall-of-noise subtlety-free barrage of beats. <cough> Cheerio! NP - Eviscerate (Version) - Squarepusher
1996-10-22 19:05William L SamuelsOn Mon, 21 Oct 1996 Geotrax1@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 20-10-96 19:29:20, you wr
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Tue, 22 Oct 1996 12:05:05 -0700 (MST)
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On Mon, 21 Oct 1996 Geotrax1@aol.com wrote:
quoted 24 lines In a message dated 20-10-96 19:29:20, you write:> In a message dated 20-10-96 19:29:20, you write: > > > > "I hate trip-hop! I don't even know what trip-hop means - if it's The > > > Dust Brothers then eat my shit, because they're the worst cunts ever. > > > They just do samples, really, which I never do. But I like some of the > > > Mo'Wax stuff, some of that's quite deep." > > > > -Luke Vibert > > > Now this really takes it...I have plenty of respect for Luke Vibert. > > However...him saying that the Dust Bros., who are as fucking innovative as > > anyone, are shitty because of using "just samples"...reeks. I'll just > > remind all involved of mr. vibert's quote from raygun > > I think the emphasis here is on 'just' doing samples - Vibert bases most of > his music on samples, yes - but that is just the starting point, he takes the > music to a higher level with his startling, original instrumentation. I'm no > fan of the Chemical Brothers I admit, but their records seem mostly to be > glorified 'megamixes', of quickly stolen passages from other people's > records. It's just a huge ripoff of the late 80's Beastie Boys sound, > produced by, guess who, the Dust Brothers (the original name the Chemical > Brothers had until they were sued by said production team). Except of > course, the original Dust Brothers did it properly, with style and funk, > instead of this compressed wall-of-noise subtlety-free barrage of beats.
Oh, a ripoff of a ripoff that probably ripoffed some other ripoff. I will admit that Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique is a really good album, but have the Dust Brothers done anything else good? I haven't heard much from them that is very impressive, except PB. The most boring stuff I hear are the people trying to copy the Chemical Brothers sound (all that California Breaks type shit). Perhaps some people resent the Chemical Brothers their style has been copied by so many others. DJ Shadow - Endtroducing now that is an album that I am impressed with B i l l S a m u e l s w l s @ U . A r i z o n a . E D U
1996-10-22 20:18Ross VitaleOn Tue, 22 Oct 1996, William L Samuels wrote: > Oh, a ripoff of a ripoff that probably rip
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Tue, 22 Oct 1996 16:18:37 -0400 (EDT)
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On Tue, 22 Oct 1996, William L Samuels wrote:
quoted 7 lines Oh, a ripoff of a ripoff that probably ripoffed some other ripoff. I will> Oh, a ripoff of a ripoff that probably ripoffed some other ripoff. I will > admit that Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique is a really good album, but have > the Dust Brothers done anything else good? I haven't heard much from them > that is very impressive, except PB. The most boring stuff I hear are the > people trying to copy the Chemical Brothers sound (all that California > Breaks type shit). Perhaps some people resent the Chemical Brothers > their style has been copied by so many others.
Have you listened to the new Beck album or any of their recent remixes(White Zombie, Filter, etc.)? Some good schtuff but again this is only my opinion... ;-)
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