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At 12:07 PM 8/1/96 -0400, +8 promised:

quoted 4 lines But what about people who just can't make it? Well, Plus 8 has teamed up

>But what about people who just can't make it? Well, Plus 8 has teamed up >with BeatBox (www.beatbox.com) in the US and Teleparc (www.teleparc.com) >in Japan, for a RealAudio broadcast of this event to anyone who can't >make it.

So did anyone hear sickness/recovery on the net? Saturday night all they could come up with was the +8 logo, 3 words: "delayed 10 hours", and a pointer to "Directions" which recursively pointed at the same page. No explanation or expected broadcast time necessary here, I suppose. Sunday around noon I checked again, still the same crap. By sunday evening the regular site was up again. Anyone go to the real party? I hope it wasn't "delayed 10 hours" also... Undecided about whether or not to uninstall his realAudio, tom __________________________________________________________________________ \tom tonger quality ambient grooves precision snowboarding\ \_________________________________________________________________________\ /send digital transmissions to: t.tonger@ix.netcom.com / / a2632217@athena.rrz.uni-koeln.de / / tom_tonger@msn.com / /_________________________________________________________________________/ \receive redundant binary data: http://ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de/users/ttonger\ \transmit analog facsimiles to: 315.434.2503 \ \_________________________________________________________________________\

On Mon, 05 Aug 1996 12:16:53 -0400, you wrote:

quoted 1 line Undecided about whether or not to uninstall his realAudio,

>Undecided about whether or not to uninstall his realAudio,

no don't :) g.

On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, g3 wrote: } On Mon, 05 Aug 1996 12:16:53 -0400, someone wrote: } } >Undecided about whether or not to uninstall his realAudio, } } no don't :) } } g. Well I'm assuming g3 means keep the Real Audio installed. If that's what he means then I agree with him. Don't let postponed Real Audio events keep you from enjoying other sites that have things up and running. Real Audio allows you to listen to entire songs, concerts, interviews, etc. The sound quality is a little "grainy" at times and there is the occasional drop-out, but these drawbacks are definitely offset by all the bonuses - no more annoying short sound bites, you can check out other sites while you listen to audio from another site, the audio can be set to be "streaming" so you don't have to wait forever for the music to download, etc. Here's a list of some sites with Real Audio that you might want to check out: http://www.plus8.com/Archives/intellinet_audioclips.html http://www.channel.co.uk/orbital/riselive_interview.htm http://sdf-radio.colossus.net/ http://www.planet8.com/dj.htm http://www.planet8.com/nightfever.htm http://members.gnn.com/kreeder/coilpers.htm http://www.needle-drop.com (this one isn't working now, but they've had live Orbital and Spacetime Continuum shows before) http://interjuke.com (I haven't been able to get this one to work for me, but the list of albums looks promising) I hope all this restores your faith a little. /\/\/\/\/\ /\/\/\/\/\ / / / / / / E r i c F r a n s \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ franse@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu / / / / / / \/\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/

At 5:03 PM -0700 8/5/96, Eric Frans wrote:

quoted 10 lines Well I'm assuming g3 means keep the Real Audio installed. If that's what

>Well I'm assuming g3 means keep the Real Audio installed. If that's what >he means then I agree with him. Don't let postponed Real Audio events >keep you from enjoying other sites that have things up and running. Real >Audio allows you to listen to entire songs, concerts, interviews, etc. >The sound quality is a little "grainy" at times and there is the >occasional drop-out, but these drawbacks are definitely offset by all the >bonuses - no more annoying short sound bites, you can check out other >sites while you listen to audio from another site, the audio can be set to >be "streaming" so you don't have to wait forever for the music to >download, etc.

i really hate realaudio. 1) it sounds like garbage. 2) the compression technology is proprietary. streamworks totally wipes it from a technical/sound quality perspective. however, xing's marketing department is pathetic. hence realaudio, like microsoft and vhs, reigns supreme. *sigh* with all that said, check out: http://www.cyborganic.com/people/jsd/sounds/nosmoking.ram for my latest piece of drum 'n' bass kittens, rendered in grainy 28.8 realaudio. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Drukman jsd@cyborganic.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Jon Drukman wrote: } At 5:03 PM -0700 8/5/96, Eric Frans wrote: } >Well I'm assuming g3 means keep the Real Audio installed. If that's what } >he means then I agree with him. Don't let postponed Real Audio events } >keep you from enjoying other sites that have things up and running. Real } >Audio allows you to listen to entire songs, concerts, interviews, etc. } >The sound quality is a little "grainy" at times and there is the } >occasional drop-out, but these drawbacks are definitely offset by all the } >bonuses - no more annoying short sound bites, you can check out other } >sites while you listen to audio from another site, the audio can be set to } >be "streaming" so you don't have to wait forever for the music to } >download, etc. } } i really hate realaudio. } 1) it sounds like garbage. } 2) the compression technology is proprietary. } } streamworks totally wipes it from a technical/sound quality perspective. } however, xing's marketing department is pathetic.. hence realaudio, like } microsoft and vhs, reigns supreme. *sigh* } } with all that said, check out: } } http://www.cyborganic.com/people/jsd/sounds/nosmoking.ram } } for my latest piece of drum 'n' bass kittens, rendered in grainy 28.8 } realaudio. :) Streamworks definitely has better quality when there is quality. There seems to be a _lot_ more drop-outs when using Streamworks IMO compared to Real Audio. Is the Streamworks encoder free? I would check out your music but I have only a 14.4 modem. Any chance for you to add that format as well? /\/\/\/\/\ /\/\/\/\/\ / / / / / / E r i c F r a n s \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ franse@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu / / / / / / \/\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/

i apologize for the seemingly un-listy-nature of this article, but if you think about technology as a tool to free us from the constraints of the music biz, then you might find it more relevant. i personally have dreams of when i can check out the best in cutting edge idm over the net... At 1:38 AM -0700 8/6/96, Eric Frans wrote:

quoted 3 lines Streamworks definitely has better quality when there is quality. There

>Streamworks definitely has better quality when there is quality. There >seems to be a _lot_ more drop-outs when using Streamworks IMO compared to >Real Audio. Is the Streamworks encoder free?

streamworks uses MPEG, which is an open and well-documented standard. there are numerous shareware and freeware mpeg encoders for various platforms out there. on my sounds page (http://www.cyborganic.com/people/jsd/sounds) i have a link to a good suite of tools for the power macintosh. the only problem with mpeg is that you need a fast CPU to decode at full quality in real time. a pentium or power pc can handle it, no sweat. but a 486 or 68040 might not be able to get to full 44.1/16bit/stereo levels. one of the other great things about streamworks is that it will scale back its streams automatically in order to work best at whatever line speed it sees.

quoted 2 lines I would check out your music but I have only a 14.4 modem. Any chance for

>I would check out your music but I have only a 14.4 modem. Any chance for >you to add that format as well?

i can do it but i'm not going to. just download the .ra file in its entirety and play it back off your hard disk (http://www.cyborganic.com/people/jsd/sounds/nosmoking.ra) (it's 750K) i realize this defeats the streaming nature of realaudio but it already sounds bad enough at 28.8. the 14.4 version is practically unlistenable. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Drukman jsd@cyborganic.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Jon Drukman wrote:

quoted 3 lines the only problem with mpeg is that you need a fast CPU to decode at full

> the only problem with mpeg is that you need a fast CPU to decode at full > quality in real time. a pentium or power pc can handle it, no sweat. but > a 486 or 68040 might not be able to get to full 44.1/16bit/stereo levels.

I am still running a 68030 Amiga; prob'ly some of you programmers esp. in Europe have one also. I downloaded a 4 or 5 minute track by Severed Heads a while back, and it took over 12 hours (!) to decode to AIFF. A 68040 is maybe 8x faster, but even so... (Maybe time for a new computer, eh? I've grown quite fluid with the old sequencing software, though -- the learning curve would defeat the speed advantages for a while) As I just told Jon privately, his track survives reasonably well in RealAudio 28.8. I think it was Derrick May I heard do a set a few months ago, and it also was sparse enough to survive. On the other hand, I tried to encode part of one of my tracks, very dense as many are, and it came out like digital hash.. A handful of grainy, 22KHz/8-bit files of some of my industrial-noise- techno-rock material is available thru the URL below. None of the heavy techno-ish stuff is represented yet, but that's coming up soon. I'll let you folks know. --Mark __ http://www.xnet.com/~mkolmar/BurningRome "Two people making same kind of music is one music too many." -- John Cage