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Why does Primal Scream do so differents kinds of music? Link with Sabres of Paradise (Andrew Weatherall)?

quoted 13 lines From: "Matthew J. Lehrer" <mjl1461@is3.NYU.EDU>

> >From: "Matthew J. Lehrer" <mjl1461@is3.NYU.EDU> >Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 03:38:47 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Re: (idm) the M is for Mills > >On Sat, 29 Jun 1996, Miles Egan wrote: > >> It's pretty hard to imagine anyone dancing to Spanners or Tri Repetae. > >Ah...but wouldn't it be grand, though? :) A packed dancefloor gyrating to >"Psil-Cosyin" - now *that* would be something to see. Hopefully, it's not >as farfetched a concept as it may sound like.... >

SOmeone put once in a trip-hop/jungle party here 3 tracks from spanners and everyone loved it. It's not so far fetched ya see... "To all my fans around the world..." (Eylon Israeli, 96)

quoted 3 lines I see what yall mean. I live in San Antonio, Texas and when I say I

>I see what yall mean. I live in San Antonio, Texas and when I say I >listen to IDM. They are, "what the hell is that"! Then I have to say >techno because that is the only way they will understand. Ohh!

I can't blame them for this; actually I have met few people outside this mailing list who know what IDM is. The most general expression would be "intelligent techno" I suppose, which I think is better, since IDM isn't always danceable, but always technological. But the abbreviation IT wouldn't be very smart to use for this list!

quoted 1 line The best place for your music is on your turntable.

>The best place for your music is on your turntable.

In that case I would need a lot of turntables to take real care of my records!

quoted 2 lines Aaarghh! Don't you want to kill those people? Have you ever gotten,

>Aaarghh! Don't you want to kill those people? Have you ever gotten, >"Nice video game music!"?

I once got this comment for my music and was very glad, since I've always liked video game music. Dave Angel is doing the music for some video game. NP: Mu-ziq "Bluff limbo" it's great. +---------------------------- Johan Jaatinen ----------------------------+ | | | MU WILL RISE AGAIN | | | +----- enigmatically posting as Anika Agebjoern <AniAg@Info.LiU.se> -----+

Dear All Sorry to post this to the list in general, I hope it doesnt piss too many people off but I have had so many requests it was taking years to send out attached file. Apologies in adv. OK here it is... I am ideally looking for trades on this lot. Any offers will be considered, they dont have to be idm or ambient. (Jazz in partic will be considered!) A copy of u-ziqs Tango n Vectif or Jake Slazengers Makesaracket will get you anything on the list. Mail me at ar06@gre.ac.uk Everything is in perfect nick and on cd, its all going cos I need some space rather than because I think it aint good so take a gander Cheers for now, Rowland Albums; Wagon Christ - Phat Lab Nightmare - Aphex Twin Stablemates first stab at ambient, dark and sparse, what HAS happened in the Lab??? Rising High Cocteau Twins - Victorialand - one of their best, ethereal and enchanting with occaisional saxophone from Dif Juz bloke Skylab - #1 - Classic ambient benchmark with stoned beats and seashells galore!! Namlook/Schulz - Dark Side of the Moog - The original classic release on FAX Tournesol - Kokotsu - Japanese and world religion inspired ambient with a metallic technoid feel in places, on Apollo Consolidated - Play more music - funky and hard with some rap on Play it again Sam Pigface - Gub - many ind collaborators, include earlier version of NIN’s Suck Notes from thee Underground - include Al Patterson, many variations on a heavy ind theme Chaos in Expansion - Longish contributions from Coil, Charles Heyward, Ligeti and spoken philosophy from Prigogine in French with some minimal background. all based around the concepts of chaos and entropy Random Factor - Purist Images from conceptual reality - underrated ethnic ambient from Leeds (?!) using upbeat and chunky ambient themes. More trancey I suppose with a few Pygmies thrown in Short Cuts - Contemporary and generally minimalist sampler from people like Bryars, Nyman, Gorecki, Byrne and Scheonfield Singles; Transglobal Underground - Protean - OK so everybody knows how good and what this is like Shiny Gnomes - She remixes - Dont overlook this single of album length (50 mins) with blinders from Locust, Mouse on Mars and Astralasia Retribution - Repetitive Beats (pink covered one) Anti CJA track from Drum Club, Hillage etc Cocteau Twins - Evangeline/Bluebeard - Both these are from 4 calendar cafe and both have unavailable tracks Sven Vath - The Beauty and the Beast - One of the best tracks from the album with a storming 12 min remix from Underworld Senser - Eject - hard and fast with metal, rap and god knows what with Haithem from TGU on vocals System 7 - 7:7 Expansion - solid and danceable stuff from the Hillageites Thanks for your interest! R

quoted 1 line Heard the full-length CD yesterday. Dance music. Not intelligent.

>Heard the full-length CD yesterday. Dance music. Not intelligent.

I don't want to flame anybody but regardless of who wrote this or what it concerned, then these kind of posts are what I want to see less of on IDM. Basically, more space is wasted on discussions about what should be relevant or not to the list, than the amount of space that off-topic posts take up. Hell, we all more or less listen to the same type of music anyway, so there's no need to feel worried about IDM becoming a jazz mailing list (thinking of the Jimi Tenor debate) or something. Cheers, Johan. ,,, /'~'\ ( 0 0 ) +----------------------------oOOO--(_)--OOOo----------------------------+ Johan Jaatinen Electronic musician Anika@Info.LiU.SE Oooo. Radio DJ MU WILL RISE AGAIN .oooO ( ) Vegetarian +-----------------------------( )----) /------------------------------+ \ ( (_/ \_)

<COMPLAINT MODE> Apologies for the non-idm content: Could everyone please try not to quote the whole of a message unless necessary? It's extremely annoying, especially for digest subscribers, to get a message like this one from #1086 (sorry for posting the whole lot again, it's only to make a point):

quoted 12 lines I'm seeing him tuesday.... We'll see what happens in NYC. We'll storm

>I'm seeing him tuesday.... We'll see what happens in NYC. We'll storm >his shit if he quits after 25 minutes. I seriously thought he would at >least go on for 45 minutes to an hour.. at least. That's not a lot to >expect from a DJ. > >He's doing the instore stump-the-DJ preformance at Other Music on monday >night, then the show at Tramps the next night. > >I have no worries about Jeru. But has anyone ever heard of Camp Lo, >their opening act? > >- -CF

12 lines, here, compared to I-can't-be-bothered-to-count-how-many in the original message, one which we all saw and read a few messages ago. Now this isn't meant to be a personal thing, I've removed the details of sender, just a general thing. If you're replying to a message, quote just enough for us to know what it was about, unless it was a really long time ago. Otherwise it takes time to skip all the quoted text and is very irritating. Note also that the quoted text is often spread over two lines because the message window wasn't wide enough to fit the full lines with the quoting symbol ">". In most email programs you can fix this too, making the message easier to read. Thanks :) </COMPLAINT MODE>

quoted 187 lines -----Original Message-----

> -----Original Message----- > From: idm-owner@hyperreal.com [SMTP:idm-owner@hyperreal.com] On Behalf > Of William D. VanLoo > Sent: Friday, April 18, 1997 11:05 AM > To: beaumont.6@osu.edu > Cc: idm@hyperreal.com > Subject: Re: (idm) Dj Shadow Live - Horrible > > In light of the "dj shadow is horrible live" thread, I thought I'd > toss my > opinion in (since it's pretty far to the contrary...) > > > Well tonight I drove for about 5 hours round trip just to see DJ > Shadow > > play live in Cincinatti, Ohio. And before you start ragging on me > for > > liking him, or say something along the lines of "I could have told > you = > > he would suck", hear me out. > > I too drove long distances last weekend to see DJ Shadow (well, I spun > at > a small party, too, but seeing Shadow was the main focus). I came > around > 16 hours round trip, from the Upper Peninsula of Michigan to > Minneapolis. > > Friday while in Minneapolis, my small crew and I saw that Shadow would > be performing in-store at Let It Be record store the next day. Chalked > it > up as a must-do, considering that he invited those attending to each > bring > one piece of vinyl, which he'd mix into his set. > > The next day, we went back to Let It Be, and saw the masses forming. > Each > of us gave our record to the person collecting them. I brought "Bug in > the > Bassbin" by Innerzone Orchestra, my friend brought a dub record, and > his > girlfriend brought my copy of Photek's "Natural Born Killers" ep on > Metalheadz. Shadow began his set by saying something to the effect of > "Hi, > I'm Josh. This is my fourth-ever in-store performance", and then went > on > to explain how he thought it'd be great to, instead of just playing > records out of his own box, he'd have people bring their own. > > Lemme just say that this was a pretty damn cool idea. He had > everything > from Muzak records to Tangerine Dream (not too far off the first...) > to > old Run-DMC to Photek. He actually played "Consciousness" of the > Photek > record (at 45rpm!). One of the highlights for me was seeing him drop > in a > sample of some kid's record saying "Let's wait here for the storm to > blow > over", and then cutting it back to the beat in perfect time (from a > record > he'd just been handed). > > So the in-store was really cool. Next, on to the show: > > > I drove down for 5 hours, suffered through some horrid hip hop act, > and > > then listened to Jeru the Damaja do his thing. Jeru was excellent > minus > > his whole anti-asian comments and a few stupid gangsta like moments > of > > juvenile crap - other than that, he put on a fun live show. > > This was almost exactly opposite from my experience. In Minneapolis, > Shadow was slated to play solo first, then appear with the two MCs he > works with, Lyrics Born and Lateef, collectively known as Latyrx. Then > Jeru, then Shadow solo again. > > When we got there, Shadow was spinning behind Latyrx, laying down the > beats and putting some scratches in. I personally thought Latyrx was > pretty good - they were _into_ performing for this crowd, even though > they > were some thousand-odd miles from California. Lyrics Born even > mentioned > he'd stay in Minneapolis if he could, they were that excited to play > for > the crowd. It really showed in their performance; they were > enthusiastic, > they played off each other's energy, and they didn't bog down with > bullshit crowd participation/baiting, the way Jeru did... > > Jeru, in my opinion, was on some bullshit. He came out and did his > show, > but *every single verse*, it seemed, he'd stop everything and > threaten > the crowd by saying he'd leave if everybody didn't get hyped. By the > end > of the night, I was ready for him to leave looong before he did. Don't > get > me wrong, because I love hip-hop. I understand crowd participation, > and > crowd involvement. But berating an audience isn't the way to do it. > This > was especially clear when contrasted with Latyrx, a young, hungry > group > eager to do their thing, have a good time, and put on a good > performance. > > > The DJ Shadow came on, first they never turned the lights down for > him, so > > it was like watching him in a gym. Secondly, and this is the part I > am = > > very angry about, he played for 15 minutes. THAT'S IT. I drove for > hours, = > > paid my money to see THAT. I absolutely couldn't believe it. We > were given = > > no explanation, and shadow just walked off the stage. Never played > = > > "What does your soul look like", etc. Nothing. Total 15 minutes > =3D = > > $15 ticket, $20 gas, and $15 or so money I could have made working = > > tonight. $50 to see him play one or two songs and leave. > > I admit to being disappointed about the short closing set myself. But > you > have to realize that, if it was anything like the Minn. date, he'd > done an > instore, done a solo performance and backed his two MCs BEFORE you > even > saw him at the end. I was kicking myself for not getting to the venue > sooner so I could have seen his solo performance at the beginning, but > I > was pretty well consoled by the absolutely beautiful music Shadow was > playing during his 20-25 minute closing set. > > Shadow had both his turntables and some studio gear with him, and > seemed > to be using both. I think he started his set off record, and then > mixed in > some sample-based stuff off his gear. He played basically all album > tracks > from "Endtroducing..." and did a lot of mixing stuff over/with/around > the > tracks coming from whatever source. His beats sounded soooo good on a > loud > PA, and he also was obviously very into his performance. He actually > broke > it down in his set to 3 or 4 minutes of just strings and pads, no > beats, > in a _club_, mind you, before finally bring a beat in. I watched his > set > and was inspired. > > This man creates mood like nobody's business. During "Midnight in a > perfect world", you could see that it was midnight in that club. His > stuff > was just really, really good. > > > Needless to say I don't ever plan on buying DJ Shadow or Mo Wax > again > > if this is the respect they have for their fans. And to think, 15 = > > minutes from my house Dego from Reinforced was playing live. > Cheaper, = > > closer, and probably much much better. > > Well, sorry you didn't like it. If I had the opportunity to see Dego > live > 15 minutes from me I would have probably stayed home too, but I would > missed a really inspirational show, in my opinion. You really > shouldn't > blame Mo'Wax or Shadow, though. As far as I know, the tour is > organized by > London/FFRR, the US distributors of both Mo'Wax (shadow) and Payday > (Jeru). It was their decision to organize things that way, I think, > and > Mo'Wax or Shadow probably had no decision in how it was set up. Don't > short yourself on good music because of one bad experience. > > Peace, > > Bill / dj marathon > > -- > f u t u r e listening radio show - hosted by dj marathon > t h u r s d a y 10pm-1am o n wmtu 91.9 fm > e l e c t r o n i c m u s i c * w i t h * s o u l > > http://www.hu.mtu.edu/~wdvanloo/personal/

quoted 3 lines a collection of articles, it can be found starting at

>a collection of articles, it can be found starting at >http://www.wired.com/news/news/sonic_boom/ >

there's also an article on EBN in here, for whoever was asking about it earlier this week. alan! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

quoted 3 lines I was curious if somebody could explain to me what IDM actually is these

> I was curious if somebody could explain to me what IDM actually is these > days. I've been around a bit and I know some of the classics in the category > (AFX/autechre ect).. but who else false into this genere (now)?

To me, it's not a genre anymore, and I can't think of anywhere that sees it as one apart from maybe some record stores who have fun fitting all the records into sections. And none around here do that with IDM, though it'd be useful in some respects. Certainly it's not really used to describe a type of music any more, IMO. Right now we've got conversations going on about hip-hop (ISP, Co-Flow, Dr Octagon), clubby techno (Lance's excellent reviews and associated talk about Morgan Geist etc), Dot stuff, and many many more. Just lurk a little longer and you'll soon see what everyone is listening to. I don't think there's that much of a consensus about what is good at the moment, you'll just have to decide for yourself and listen to some of it.

quoted 1 line Square Pusher (I hope not, no offense)?

> Square Pusher (I hope not, no offense)?

What do you mean "I hope not"? I think you want IDM to be all the music that you like! Well, that's cool, I think you've answered your own question. IDM is all the music that you like. It's also all the music that I like. Welcome to the real world... :-)

quoted 2 lines Who are the non-mtv played cutting edge

> Who are the non-mtv played cutting edge > artist in the world of electronic music IN YOUR minds ?

Okay, you want names, I don't mind doing my list, but bear in mind it hasn't really got anything to do with IDM anymore, it's just stuff I like right now: Amon Tobin, DJ Suv, Robert Wyatt, Plaid, Optical, Company Flow, DJ Krust, The Fall, Stereolab, Dillinja, Photek, Ashley Beedle, Gerd, Luke Vibert, Mampi Swift, DJ Vadim, Renegade Hardware to name but a few.

quoted 1 line I haven't heard anything really progressive.

> I haven't heard anything really progressive.

Me neither from the traditional end of IDM (which I take to be the older Artificial Intelligence era Warp stuff and related), mainly because not that much of it is being made. The music has moved on and so has the list because it's all about good new music which is doing something that we haven't quite heard done the same before. We keep listening until we get bored. We all get bored at different rates 'cos we all listen to different amounts of music or have different tolerances and needs from the music. Or am I wrong? gb. -- /TheW i http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/lwtcdi/all/4-16.htm f o L D o dlr WTC "The Truth About 'Choose Your Own Adventure' Novels"