I will end my side of this with this publically cause it is kind of like a
shitty soap opera that someone might be interested in:
I responded to your original message because I thought you were belittling
one of my favorite labels (my only connection to Rephlex by the way). I
look back and can see that you were joking but the fact that you emphasized
that the were only doing it to be "cool" got on my nerves.
sorry for all the bullshit, and apologies to the list
derek
At 01:25 AM 7/2/96 -0400, and-e wrote:
quoted 26 lines ok, since you were a bit nicer this time, and I see no reason to drag
>ok, since you were a bit nicer this time, and I see no reason to drag
>this out... I'll make a more respectful attempt at replying to you.
>I wouldn't post this if a bunch of people hadn't already written to
>me privately, agreeing with some of my assertions...
>
>On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, Dr. Giggles wrote:
>
>> >oh, I see, you can attempt to be funny, but I can't, that must be becuase
>> >you are part of the "underground".
>
>> I never said you can't be funny, you seem to being making quite a clown out
>> of yourself with this message.
>:P
>
>> >>It is called economics. Rephlex has the right to print as
>> >blah blah blah... I doubt this has anything to do with economics
>>
>> OK...It is called the can do WHATEVER THE FUCK THEY WANT..If you want to put
>> it on cd or press 50,000 cd's and sell it at Wall Mart go for it. But until
>> you own the rights to it, tough titties.
>
>fine. butmy point was that it has more to do with your, or our "underground"
>than economics IMHO
>
>> >
>> >> many of them as they want big or small. Respect to labels likequoted 12 lines respect and preserve the Underground!!
>> >> respect and preserve the Underground!!
>> >huh? could you clarify this? what is the underground? how do I join?
>>
>> Do you know the difference between a piece of art by Norman Rockwell, and
>> one by Salvador Dali?
>yes. so?
>I still don't understand, please eloborate. You are appearing to be a very
>rigid person. Are categories and "status" very important to you?
>
>> >
>> >>Fuck labels that are just trying to
>> >> make money or their only aim is to sell as many records as they can.quoted 2 lines you should shell out $30 bucks and by a used turntable, cause you are
>> >> you should shell out $30 bucks and by a used turntable, cause you are
>> >> missing out on a hell of a lot of vinyl only releases from many labelsquoted 39 lines are excellent, and judging from your list of c.d.'s you were selling you
>> >> are excellent, and judging from your list of c.d.'s you were selling you
>> >> have something to learn about techno and idm that is not so mainstream!
>> >
>> >alright, first off, the list of cds I was selling was for a friend,2ndly,
>> >if you took a look at James' sale list (Steady J guy), I think he would have
>> > "mainstream" stuff, some "worse" than I was selling, that you incorrectly
>> >assumed was mine
>>
>> well you assumed what I typed was my words, it does tend to make sense buddy!
>yeah yeah, but your point was inane(more so than mine), my opinion
>is invalid because of a for sale list? Furthermore, who wouldn't want to
>get rid of some of that stuff, surely you must get rid of cds once in
>awhile, and I doubt all of them are on tiny labels.
>
>> and I'm sure he knows a great deal more
>> >about techno than you ever will, and can probably dj better than you.
>>
>>
>> Yes, Steady J is a damn good dj, we have traded tapes before.
>>
>> >But you're right, "moses", its a good thing to judge people based on
>> >, well, nothing, and to make sweeping generalizations...(like I just did)
>> >you know nothing about me. I could possibly know more than you about
>> >your precious techno "underground".
>>
>> You definetly could! I would love to hear more about music!
>> I am willing to learn about what you have to say. Post away. I would love
>> to hear about any music that people really like that relates to idm, that is
>> why I am subscribed to this list. I don't remember seeing to much
>> information about music coming from your account.
>
>well, that is partly becuase I get stuff after most people on this list,
>and secondly, because people like you are waiting to be condescending to
>feed their ego. ok , maybe this wasn't necessary, but this is how it
>appeared and why I was so angry.
>
>> >
>> >> Part of the fun of trainspotting is that this music is not always the
>> >> easiest to get, and therefore when you do find of real gem, it makesquoted 19 lines worth it.
>> >> worth it.
>> >
>> >agreed. but there comes a time when an artist becomes popular, and it
>> >seems only fair to meet the demand(look in your "economincs" books).
>> >there will still be plenty of "underground" stuff for trainspotters to
>> >look for.
>>
>> Maybe you should be CEO of Rephlex. How many copies would you press up?
>> Maybe Richard James himself only wants to press 1500?
>ok. fine. you are right. but my point here was that it really
>didn't have much to do with economics as you claimed.
>
>> >>If you are serious about this music you should be able to
>> >>line up
>> >> a place to hook you up with the goods. Many stores have been mentioned
>> >> before.
>> >what does it take to be serious "dr. giggles"? please tell me o' wise one,
>> >becuase
>> >obviously, from your obnoxious, condescending post, you don't percievequoted 17 lines serious.
>> >serious.
>>
>> Serious enough to find a record that has 1500 copies of it printed up. I
>> would hate to see you in an Easter egg hunt.
>yeah, well, I try.
>
>> I think commercialization of an art form (music) does more harm than good.
>> You seem to come from a different angle.
>well, printing more than 1500 copies is hardly on the verge of commercial..
>but I agree with you in some instances, but commercialization isn't always
>bad for an art form... maybe someone "mainstream" like me would get/see
>a commercial art form and be inspired, and come up with some idea that you
>like...just a thought. But I don't think it is too easy quantify
>commercialization as "good" or "bad" for an art form.
>
>> >>Regarding the being cool thing, lay off it! I won't even start in
>> >> on that. Lets just say being a Hipp-e, Groove-e, or Ton-e is a dime aquoted 22 lines in my corner of the globe.
>> >> in my corner of the globe.
>> >yet its ironic that you remember it was MY "maintream" for sale list that
>> >was posted almost 2 weeks ago, probably because I signed and-e. On the
>> >other hand, I have no idea which Derek you are, nor, from your apparent
>> >intelligence and worldview, do I care.
>>
>> >>You might want to lay off of the vowels, and
>> >> spend the $$ on vinyl.
>> >fuck you
>>
>> lighten up!
>uh, well, ok. but I think you should do the same Derek, my original
>post was only a joke.
>
>> In an offer of of goodwill I will even get you a copy of the lp when it
>> comes out for a good price.
>thanks.
>> derek
>take care
>Andrew
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