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1996-07-02 04:19Dr. GigglesAt 10:14 PM 7/1/96 -0400, and-e wrote: > > Ok, well, here are some possible reasons for th

From:: Dr. Giggles <moses@imagina.com>
To:: and-e <andy@j51.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>, <idm-digest@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 20:19:28 -0800
Subject:: Re: (idm) uh.Rephlex. feh.

At 10:14 PM 7/1/96 -0400, and-e wrote:

quoted 4 lines Ok, well, here are some possible reasons for the

> > Ok, well, here are some possible reasons for the >absurdly "limited" Caustic Window release that I could come up with: >

And-e Confargous say: He who look deep in to the bowels of darkness find that which make him appreciate it even more. Me enjoy a Prime Rib more than a Krusty-burger, but must look harder and pay more shillings. Ohh! Poor guy! It is called economics. Rephlex has the right to print as many of them as they want big or small. Respect to labels like Rephlex who respect and preserve the Underground!! Fuck labels that are just trying to make money or their only aim is to sell as many records as they can. Maybe you should shell out $30 bucks and by a used turntable, cause you are missing out on a hell of a lot of vinyl only releases from many labels that are excellent, and judging from your list of c.d.'s you were selling you have something to learn about techno and idm that is not so mainstream! Part of the fun of trainspotting is that this music is not always the easiest to get, and therefore when you do find of real gem, it makes it all worth it. If you are serious about this music you should be able to line up a place to hook you up with the goods. Many stores have been mentioned before. Regarding the being cool thing, lay off it! I won't even start in on that. Lets just say being a Hipp-e, Groove-e, or Ton-e is a dime a dozen in my corner of the globe. You might want to lay off of the vowels, and spend the $$ on vinyl. derek

quoted 32 lines 1. an attempt at being cool

>1. an attempt at being cool >2. an attempt to make it hard to find and thus maintain the perception > that Rephlex is cool >64. a way to further irritate individuals whom live in the USA and > have no credit card, or acess to a decent cd store >9. a means by which to piss off all the people who constantly > attack every word Grant ever says. >36. well, I guess they wouldn't make any more money if the prices for > this become inflated, but they would look cool again. >13. uh, becuase the original copy was crushed by a hypercube > and has mysteriously disappeared into the 5th demension >57. along these lines, John Tesh, who is an alien according to > alt.music.techno, stole all the other copies and brought > them to his home planet for its inhabitants to enjoy >3.14. no rational reson whatsoever > >reasons that are not factors in this silly, annoying, small release: >1. low demand (as if there is a larger demand for the new Squarepusher > cd than this, hah!, so why not make a cd release?) >2. budget limitations(requiring only 1500 copies, I doubt it, even > HAB 2 had more than this I think). >3. uh... I don't know. > > SO, there is no way I am ever going to get a copy of this, and as >usual, I'll have to find anything I can, a long, long time after it is >released, if at all. Maybe someone can dub this new Caustic Window for >me if they are lucky enough to get it-please don't attack me and say that >this is illegal, if I could buy it, I would, but there wont be any left >for me. > >and e >

1996-07-02 04:05and-e> Confargous say: > He who look deep in to the bowels of darkness find that which make him

From:: and-e <andy@j51.com>
To:: Dr. Giggles <moses@imagina.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>, <idm-digest@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 00:05:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) uh.Rephlex. feh.
Reply to:: Re: (idm) uh.Rephlex. feh.

quoted 4 lines Confargous say:

> Confargous say: > He who look deep in to the bowels of darkness find that which make him > appreciate it even more. Me enjoy a Prime Rib more than a Krusty-burger, > but must look harder and pay more shillings.

oh, I see, you can attempt to be funny, but I can't, that must be becuase you are part of the "underground".

quoted 1 line Ohh! Poor guy!

> Ohh! Poor guy!

yes, I am wallowing in self pity becuase I am not as cool as you.

quoted 1 line It is called economics. Rephlex has the right to print as

>It is called economics. Rephlex has the right to print as

blah blah blah... I doubt this has anything to do with economics

quoted 2 lines many of them as they want big or small. Respect to labels like Rephlex who

> many of them as they want big or small. Respect to labels like Rephlex who > respect and preserve the Underground!!

huh? could you clarify this? what is the underground? how do I join?

quoted 6 lines Fuck labels that are just trying to

>Fuck labels that are just trying to > make money or their only aim is to sell as many records as they can. Maybe > you should shell out $30 bucks and by a used turntable, cause you are > missing out on a hell of a lot of vinyl only releases from many labels that > are excellent, and judging from your list of c.d.'s you were selling you > have something to learn about techno and idm that is not so mainstream!

alright, first off, the list of cds I was selling was for a friend,2ndly, if you took a look at James' sale list (Steady J guy), I think he would have "mainstream" stuff, some "worse" than I was selling, that you incorrectly assumed was mine and I'm sure he knows a great deal more about techno than you ever will, and can probably dj better than you. But you're right, "moses", its a good thing to judge people based on , well, nothing, and to make sweeping generalizations...(like I just did) you know nothing about me. I could possibly know more than you about your precious techno "underground". I have a turntable.

quoted 3 lines Part of the fun of trainspotting is that this music is not always the

> Part of the fun of trainspotting is that this music is not always the > easiest to get, and therefore when you do find of real gem, it makes it all > worth it.

agreed. but there comes a time when an artist becomes popular, and it seems only fair to meet the demand(look in your "economincs" books). there will still be plenty of "underground" stuff for trainspotters to look for.

quoted 4 lines If you are serious about this music you should be able to

>If you are serious about this music you should be able to >line up > a place to hook you up with the goods. Many stores have been mentioned > before.

what does it take to be serious "dr. giggles"? please tell me o' wise one, becuase obviously, from your obnoxious, condescending post, you don't percieve me as serious.

quoted 3 lines Regarding the being cool thing, lay off it! I won't even start in

>Regarding the being cool thing, lay off it! I won't even start in > on that. Lets just say being a Hipp-e, Groove-e, or Ton-e is a dime a dozen > in my corner of the globe.

yet its ironic that you remember it was MY "maintream" for sale list that was posted almost 2 weeks ago, probably because I signed and-e. On the other hand, I have no idea which Derek you are, nor, from your apparent intelligence and worldview, do I care.

quoted 2 lines You might want to lay off of the vowels, and

>You might want to lay off of the vowels, and > spend the $$ on vinyl.

fuck you

quoted 1 line derek

> derek

:D me and-e , and e, andy, or whatever I want to call myself laughing in your face.

1996-07-02 04:43jabberwalqee> oh, I see, you can attempt to be funny, but I can't, that must be becuase > you are part

From:: jabberwalqee <jts6123@email.unc.edu>
To:: and-e <andy@j51.com>
Cc:: Dr. Giggles <moses@imagina.com>, <idm@hyperreal.com>, <idm-digest@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 00:43:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) uh.Rephlex. feh.
Reply to:: Re: (idm) uh.Rephlex. feh.

quoted 2 lines oh, I see, you can attempt to be funny, but I can't, that must be becuase

> oh, I see, you can attempt to be funny, but I can't, that must be becuase > you are part of the "underground".

you were funny, i laughed hard. he was funny, i laughed hard. i advise not to even step to derek, he is very underground and knows his shit better than anyon e except *maybe* teep. look before you leap kid

quoted 2 lines Ohh! Poor guy!

> > Ohh! Poor guy! > yes, I am wallowing in self pity becuase I am not as cool as you.

well...

quoted 2 lines It is called economics. Rephlex has the right to print as

> >It is called economics. Rephlex has the right to print as > blah blah blah... I doubt this has anything to do with economics

what in the world would make you say that? OF COURSE IT DOES

quoted 3 lines many of them as they want big or small. Respect to labels like Rephlex who

> > many of them as they want big or small. Respect to labels like Rephlex who > > respect and preserve the Underground!! > huh? could you clarify this? what is the underground? how do I join?

dumb

quoted 12 lines Fuck labels that are just trying to

> >Fuck labels that are just trying to > > make money or their only aim is to sell as many records as they can. Maybe > > you should shell out $30 bucks and by a used turntable, cause you are > > missing out on a hell of a lot of vinyl only releases from many labels that > > are excellent, and judging from your list of c.d.'s you were selling you > > have something to learn about techno and idm that is not so mainstream! > > alright, first off, the list of cds I was selling was for a friend,2ndly, > if you took a look at James' sale list (Steady J guy), I think he would have > "mainstream" stuff, some "worse" than I was selling, that you incorrectly > assumed was mine and I'm sure he knows a great deal more > about techno than you ever will, and can probably dj better than you.

VERY VERY VERY VERY doubtful. like i said look before you leap. derek knows his shit, dont just talk shit for no reason, outta anger, we dont like that shit here

quoted 5 lines But you're right, "moses", its a good thing to judge people based on

> But you're right, "moses", its a good thing to judge people based on > , well, nothing, and to make sweeping generalizations...(like I just did) > you know nothing about me. I could possibly know more than you about > your precious techno "underground". > I have a turntable.

unh unh. derek doesnt normally do this either, i think he has close ties with rephlex. the man knows what he speaks.

quoted 9 lines Part of the fun of trainspotting is that this music is not always the

> > > Part of the fun of trainspotting is that this music is not always the > > easiest to get, and therefore when you do find of real gem, it makes it all > > worth it. > > agreed. but there comes a time when an artist becomes popular, and it > seems only fair to meet the demand(look in your "economincs" books). > there will still be plenty of "underground" stuff for trainspotters to > look for.

*buzzzzzzzz* wrong answer pal, you dont get it>

quoted 9 lines If you are serious about this music you should be able to

> >If you are serious about this music you should be able to > >line up > > a place to hook you up with the goods. Many stores have been mentioned > > before. > what does it take to be serious "dr. giggles"? please tell me o' wise one, > becuase > obviously, from your obnoxious, condescending post, you don't percieve me as > serious. >

your post was a joke you fool, stop making a goddam ass of yourself! this is not a flame, i'm just telling you....you better step back! j

quoted 18 lines Regarding the being cool thing, lay off it! I won't even start in

> >Regarding the being cool thing, lay off it! I won't even start in > > on that. Lets just say being a Hipp-e, Groove-e, or Ton-e is a dime a dozen > > in my corner of the globe. > yet its ironic that you remember it was MY "maintream" for sale list that > was posted almost 2 weeks ago, probably because I signed and-e. On the > other hand, I have no idea which Derek you are, nor, from your apparent > intelligence and worldview, do I care. > > >You might want to lay off of the vowels, and > > spend the $$ on vinyl. > fuck you > > derek > > :D me and-e , and e, andy, or whatever I want to call myself > laughing in your > face. > >

1996-07-02 05:05and-eok, I'll clarify. On Tue, 2 Jul 1996, jabberwalqee wrote: > > oh, I see, you can attempt t

From:: and-e <andy@j51.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>, jabberwalqee <jts6123@email.unc.edu>
Date:: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 01:05:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) uh.Rephlex. feh.
Reply to:: Re: (idm) uh.Rephlex. feh.

ok, I'll clarify. On Tue, 2 Jul 1996, jabberwalqee wrote:

quoted 5 lines oh, I see, you can attempt to be funny, but I can't, that must be becuase

> > oh, I see, you can attempt to be funny, but I can't, that must be becuase > > you are part of the "underground". > you were funny, i laughed hard. he was funny, i laughed hard. i advise > not to even step to derek, he is very underground and knows his shit > better than anyon e except *maybe* teep. look before you leap kid

oh, thanks. I have a mix Teep made, it has some "mainstream" stuff on it, I wonder what Derek would think of this, maybe Derek is more underground than Teep eh?

quoted 4 lines It is called economics. Rephlex has the right to print as

> > >It is called economics. Rephlex has the right to print as > > blah blah blah... I doubt this has anything to do with economics > > what in the world would make you say that? OF COURSE IT DOES

what made me say this: if Rephlex is planning on releasing this again later, fine, but if they are releasing only 1500 copies, prove to me that it has only to do with economics.

quoted 3 lines many of them as they want big or small. Respect to labels like Rephlex who

> > > many of them as they want big or small. Respect to labels like Rephlex who > > > respect and preserve the Underground!! > > huh? could you clarify this? what is the underground? how do I join?

quoted 1 line dumb

> dumb

well, I think people who think they are better than others becuase they are more "underground" are dumb. I especially respect anyone interested in idm, regardless of how knowlegeable they are, and would be glad to impart any info I could, rather than looking down upon them.

quoted 16 lines Fuck labels that are just trying to

> > >Fuck labels that are just trying to > > > make money or their only aim is to sell as many records as they can. Maybe > > > you should shell out $30 bucks and by a used turntable, cause you are > > > missing out on a hell of a lot of vinyl only releases from many labels that > > > are excellent, and judging from your list of c.d.'s you were selling you > > > have something to learn about techno and idm that is not so mainstream! > > > > alright, first off, the list of cds I was selling was for a friend,2ndly, > > if you took a look at James' sale list (Steady J guy), I think he would have > > "mainstream" stuff, some "worse" than I was selling, that you incorrectly > > assumed was mine and I'm sure he knows a great deal more > > about techno than you ever will, and can probably dj better than you. > > VERY VERY VERY VERY doubtful. like i said look before you leap. derek > knows his shit, dont just talk shit for no reason, outta anger, we dont > like that shit here

I don't care who Derek is, or how "undergound" he is, he was disrespectful, and doesn't appear to be a very nice human. Granted, I was angry, but I wasn't talking shit, I don't care what status Derek has in the world you inhabit, I simply put out a message as a joke, and he was mean.

quoted 8 lines But you're right, "moses", its a good thing to judge people based on

> > But you're right, "moses", its a good thing to judge people based on > > , well, nothing, and to make sweeping generalizations...(like I just did) > > you know nothing about me. I could possibly know more than you about > > your precious techno "underground". > > I have a turntable. > > unh unh. derek doesnt normally do this either, i think he has close ties > with rephlex. the man knows what he speaks.

can you clarify what you mean by this? He normaly isn't judgemental? Fine. Then I guess you are replying that he was so disrespectful becuase he "has ties with Rephlex" and couldn't take my joke?

quoted 10 lines Part of the fun of trainspotting is that this music is not always the

> > > Part of the fun of trainspotting is that this music is not always the > > > easiest to get, and therefore when you do find of real gem, it makes it all > > > worth it. > > > > agreed. but there comes a time when an artist becomes popular, and it > > seems only fair to meet the demand(look in your "economincs" books). > > there will still be plenty of "underground" stuff for trainspotters to > > look for. > > *buzzzzzzzz* wrong answer pal, you dont get it>

ok, so enlighten me. Furthermore, what happens when an artist becomes "mainstream" like RDJ? The record label should still release small quantities of thier stuff to satisfy only trainspotters? I don't think that's right, maybe you do. I would rather good music reaches everyone who wants it. There are still plenty of "non-mainstream" artists on small labels that you can hunt down, and older RDJ stuff.

quoted 11 lines If you are serious about this music you should be able to

> > >If you are serious about this music you should be able to > > >line up > > > a place to hook you up with the goods. Many stores have been mentioned > > > before. > > what does it take to be serious "dr. giggles"? please tell me o' wise one, > > becuase > > obviously, from your obnoxious, condescending post, you don't percieve me as > > serious. > > > > your post was a joke you fool, stop making a goddam ass of yourself!

sorry, I feel like this was unnecessary, but, I guess you were offended by my remarks about your little "underground". go back there.

quoted 1 line this is not a flame, i'm just telling you....you better step back!

> this is not a flame, i'm just telling you....you better step back!

fine. well, I felt it necessary to respond to you so I wouldn't look like the fool you claim I am. take care a.

1996-07-02 05:30C.J. Mc CollumOn Tue, 2 Jul 1996, and-e wrote: > > > ok, I'll clarify. > > On Tue, 2 Jul 1996, jabberwal

From:: C.J. Mc Collum <cjmccoll@tenet.edu>
To:: and-e <andy@j51.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>, jabberwalqee <jts6123@email.unc.edu>
Date:: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 00:30:32 -0500 (CDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) uh.Rephlex. feh.
Reply to:: Re: (idm) uh.Rephlex. feh.

On Tue, 2 Jul 1996, and-e wrote:

quoted 111 lines ok, I'll clarify.

> > > ok, I'll clarify. > > On Tue, 2 Jul 1996, jabberwalqee wrote: > > > > oh, I see, you can attempt to be funny, but I can't, that must be becuase > > > you are part of the "underground". > > you were funny, i laughed hard. he was funny, i laughed hard. i advise > > not to even step to derek, he is very underground and knows his shit > > better than anyon e except *maybe* teep. look before you leap kid > > oh, thanks. I have a mix Teep made, it has some "mainstream" stuff on > it, I wonder what Derek would think of this, maybe Derek is more > underground than Teep eh? > > > > >It is called economics. Rephlex has the right to print as > > > blah blah blah... I doubt this has anything to do with economics > > > > what in the world would make you say that? OF COURSE IT DOES > > what made me say this: if Rephlex is planning on releasing this > again later, fine, but if they are releasing only 1500 copies, prove to me > that it has only to do with economics. > > > > > many of them as they want big or small. Respect to labels like Rephlex who > > > > respect and preserve the Underground!! > > > huh? could you clarify this? what is the underground? how do I join? > > > dumb > well, I think people who think they are better than others becuase they > are more "underground" are dumb. I especially respect anyone interested > in idm, regardless of how knowlegeable they are, and would be glad to > impart any info I could, rather than looking down upon them. > > > > >Fuck labels that are just trying to > > > > make money or their only aim is to sell as many records as they can. Maybe > > > > you should shell out $30 bucks and by a used turntable, cause you are > > > > missing out on a hell of a lot of vinyl only releases from many labels that > > > > are excellent, and judging from your list of c.d.'s you were selling you > > > > have something to learn about techno and idm that is not so mainstream! > > > > > > alright, first off, the list of cds I was selling was for a friend,2ndly, > > > if you took a look at James' sale list (Steady J guy), I think he would have > > > "mainstream" stuff, some "worse" than I was selling, that you incorrectly > > > assumed was mine and I'm sure he knows a great deal more > > > about techno than you ever will, and can probably dj better than you. > > > > VERY VERY VERY VERY doubtful. like i said look before you leap. derek > > knows his shit, dont just talk shit for no reason, outta anger, we dont > > like that shit here > > I don't care who Derek is, or how "undergound" he is, > he was disrespectful, and doesn't appear to be a very nice human. > Granted, I was angry, but I wasn't talking shit, I don't care what status > Derek has in the world you inhabit, I simply put out a message as a joke, > and he was mean. > > > > But you're right, "moses", its a good thing to judge people based on > > > , well, nothing, and to make sweeping generalizations...(like I just did) > > > you know nothing about me. I could possibly know more than you about > > > your precious techno "underground". > > > I have a turntable. > > > > unh unh. derek doesnt normally do this either, i think he has close ties > > with rephlex. the man knows what he speaks. > > can you clarify what you mean by this? He normaly isn't judgemental? Fine. > Then I guess you are replying that he was so disrespectful becuase he > "has ties with Rephlex" and couldn't take my joke? > > > > > Part of the fun of trainspotting is that this music is not always the > > > > easiest to get, and therefore when you do find of real gem, it makes it all > > > > worth it. > > > > > > agreed. but there comes a time when an artist becomes popular, and it > > > seems only fair to meet the demand(look in your "economincs" books). > > > there will still be plenty of "underground" stuff for trainspotters to > > > look for. > > > > *buzzzzzzzz* wrong answer pal, you dont get it> > > ok, so enlighten me. > Furthermore, what happens when an artist becomes "mainstream" like > RDJ? The record label should still release small quantities of thier > stuff to satisfy only trainspotters? I don't think that's right, maybe > you do. I would rather good music reaches everyone who wants it. > There are still plenty of "non-mainstream" artists on small labels that you > can hunt down, and older RDJ stuff. > > > > >If you are serious about this music you should be able to > > > >line up > > > > a place to hook you up with the goods. Many stores have been mentioned > > > > before. > > > what does it take to be serious "dr. giggles"? please tell me o' wise one, > > > becuase > > > obviously, from your obnoxious, condescending post, you don't percieve me as > > > serious. > > > > > > > your post was a joke you fool, stop making a goddam ass of yourself! > > sorry, I feel like this was unnecessary, but, I guess you were offended > by my remarks about your little "underground". go back there. > > > this is not a flame, i'm just telling you....you better step back! > fine. well, I felt it necessary to respond to you so I wouldn't look like > the fool you claim I am. > take care > a. >

If you don't like the way Rephlex runs there opperations, I suggest you stop your bickering and lay off. It is people like you who make Grant and Rich want to make a Ltd. release. Why don't you be thankful with what you have that Rephlex has released.

1996-07-02 04:44jabberwalqeeoy. thatw as supposed to be personal. apologies. j

From:: jabberwalqee <jts6123@email.unc.edu>
To:: and-e <andy@j51.com>
Cc:: Dr. Giggles <moses@imagina.com>, <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 00:44:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) uh.Rephlex. feh.
Reply to:: Re: (idm) uh.Rephlex. feh.

oy. thatw as supposed to be personal. apologies. j

1996-07-02 16:22James B Gillwhere's Grant's response?? This should be a real corker!!!!! James Benjamin Gill-----jgill

From:: James B Gill <jgill@U.Arizona.EDU>
To:: and-e <andy@j51.com>
Cc:: Dr. Giggles <moses@imagina.com>, <idm@hyperreal.com>, <idm-digest@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:22:39 -0700 (MST)
Subject:: Re: (idm) uh.Rephlex. feh.
Reply to:: Re: (idm) uh.Rephlex. feh.

where's Grant's response?? This should be a real corker!!!!! James Benjamin Gill-----jgill@u.arizona.edu**********************************

1996-07-02 06:01Dr. GigglesAt 12:05 AM 7/2/96 -0400, and-e wrote: >> Confargous say: >> He who look deep in to the bo

From:: Dr. Giggles <moses@imagina.com>
To:: and-e <andy@j51.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>, <idm-digest@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 22:01:33 -0800
Subject:: Re: (idm) uh.Rephlex. feh.

At 12:05 AM 7/2/96 -0400, and-e wrote:

quoted 7 lines Confargous say:

>> Confargous say: >> He who look deep in to the bowels of darkness find that which make him >> appreciate it even more. Me enjoy a Prime Rib more than a Krusty-burger, >> but must look harder and pay more shillings. > >oh, I see, you can attempt to be funny, but I can't, that must be becuase >you are part of the "underground".

I never said you can't be funny, you seem to being making quite a clown out of yourself with this message.

quoted 6 lines Ohh! Poor guy!

> >> Ohh! Poor guy! >yes, I am wallowing in self pity becuase I am not as cool as you. > >>It is called economics. Rephlex has the right to print as >blah blah blah... I doubt this has anything to do with economics

OK...It is called the can do WHATEVER THE FUCK THEY WANT..If you want to put it on cd or press 50,000 cd's and sell it at Wall Mart go for it. But until you own the rights to it, tough titties.

quoted 4 lines many of them as they want big or small. Respect to labels like Rephlex who

> >> many of them as they want big or small. Respect to labels like Rephlex who >> respect and preserve the Underground!! >huh? could you clarify this? what is the underground? how do I join?

Do you know the difference between a piece of art by Norman Rockwell, and one by Salvador Dali?

quoted 12 lines Fuck labels that are just trying to

> >>Fuck labels that are just trying to >> make money or their only aim is to sell as many records as they can. Maybe >> you should shell out $30 bucks and by a used turntable, cause you are >> missing out on a hell of a lot of vinyl only releases from many labels that >> are excellent, and judging from your list of c.d.'s you were selling you >> have something to learn about techno and idm that is not so mainstream! > >alright, first off, the list of cds I was selling was for a friend,2ndly, >if you took a look at James' sale list (Steady J guy), I think he would have > "mainstream" stuff, some "worse" than I was selling, that you incorrectly >assumed was mine

well you assumed what I typed was my words, it does tend to make sense buddy! and I'm sure he knows a great deal more

quoted 1 line about techno than you ever will, and can probably dj better than you.

>about techno than you ever will, and can probably dj better than you.

Yes, Steady J is a damn good dj, we have traded tapes before.

quoted 4 lines But you're right, "moses", its a good thing to judge people based on

>But you're right, "moses", its a good thing to judge people based on >, well, nothing, and to make sweeping generalizations...(like I just did) >you know nothing about me. I could possibly know more than you about >your precious techno "underground".

You definetly could! I would love to hear more about music!

quoted 1 line I have a turntable.

> I have a turntable.

I am willing to learn about what you have to say. Post away. I would love to hear about any music that people really like that relates to idm, that is why I am subscribed to this list. I don't remember seeing to much information about music coming from your account.

quoted 9 lines Part of the fun of trainspotting is that this music is not always the

> >> Part of the fun of trainspotting is that this music is not always the >> easiest to get, and therefore when you do find of real gem, it makes it all >> worth it. > >agreed. but there comes a time when an artist becomes popular, and it >seems only fair to meet the demand(look in your "economincs" books). >there will still be plenty of "underground" stuff for trainspotters to >look for.

Maybe you should be CEO of Rephlex. How many copies would you press up? Maybe Richard James himself only wants to press 1500?

quoted 9 lines If you are serious about this music you should be able to

> >>If you are serious about this music you should be able to >>line up >> a place to hook you up with the goods. Many stores have been mentioned >> before. >what does it take to be serious "dr. giggles"? please tell me o' wise one, >becuase >obviously, from your obnoxious, condescending post, you don't percieve me as >serious.

Serious enough to find a record that has 1500 copies of it printed up. I would hate to see you in an Easter egg hunt. I think commercialization of an art form (music) does more harm than good. You seem to come from a different angle.

quoted 7 lines Regarding the being cool thing, lay off it! I won't even start in

quoted 3 lines You might want to lay off of the vowels, and

>>You might want to lay off of the vowels, and >> spend the $$ on vinyl. >fuck you

lighten up! In an offer of of goodwill I will even get you a copy of the lp when it comes out for a good price. derek

quoted 7 lines derek

>> derek > >:D me and-e , and e, andy, or whatever I want to call myself >laughing in your >face. > >

1996-07-02 05:25and-eok, since you were a bit nicer this time, and I see no reason to drag this out... I'll mak

From:: and-e <andy@j51.com>
To:: Dr. Giggles <moses@imagina.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 01:25:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) uh.Rephlex. feh.
Reply to:: Re: (idm) uh.Rephlex. feh.

ok, since you were a bit nicer this time, and I see no reason to drag this out... I'll make a more respectful attempt at replying to you. I wouldn't post this if a bunch of people hadn't already written to me privately, agreeing with some of my assertions... On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, Dr. Giggles wrote:

quoted 2 lines oh, I see, you can attempt to be funny, but I can't, that must be becuase

> >oh, I see, you can attempt to be funny, but I can't, that must be becuase > >you are part of the "underground".

quoted 2 lines I never said you can't be funny, you seem to being making quite a clown out

> I never said you can't be funny, you seem to being making quite a clown out > of yourself with this message.

quoted 6 lines It is called economics. Rephlex has the right to print as

> >>It is called economics. Rephlex has the right to print as > >blah blah blah... I doubt this has anything to do with economics > > OK...It is called the can do WHATEVER THE FUCK THEY WANT..If you want to put > it on cd or press 50,000 cd's and sell it at Wall Mart go for it. But until > you own the rights to it, tough titties.

fine. butmy point was that it has more to do with your, or our "underground" than economics IMHO

quoted 7 lines many of them as they want big or small. Respect to labels like Rephlex who

> > > >> many of them as they want big or small. Respect to labels like Rephlex who > >> respect and preserve the Underground!! > >huh? could you clarify this? what is the underground? how do I join? > > Do you know the difference between a piece of art by Norman Rockwell, and > one by Salvador Dali?

yes. so? I still don't understand, please eloborate. You are appearing to be a very rigid person. Are categories and "status" very important to you?

quoted 14 lines Fuck labels that are just trying to

> > > >>Fuck labels that are just trying to > >> make money or their only aim is to sell as many records as they can. Maybe > >> you should shell out $30 bucks and by a used turntable, cause you are > >> missing out on a hell of a lot of vinyl only releases from many labels that > >> are excellent, and judging from your list of c.d.'s you were selling you > >> have something to learn about techno and idm that is not so mainstream! > > > >alright, first off, the list of cds I was selling was for a friend,2ndly, > >if you took a look at James' sale list (Steady J guy), I think he would have > > "mainstream" stuff, some "worse" than I was selling, that you incorrectly > >assumed was mine > > well you assumed what I typed was my words, it does tend to make sense buddy!

yeah yeah, but your point was inane(more so than mine), my opinion is invalid because of a for sale list? Furthermore, who wouldn't want to get rid of some of that stuff, surely you must get rid of cds once in awhile, and I doubt all of them are on tiny labels.

quoted 16 lines and I'm sure he knows a great deal more

> and I'm sure he knows a great deal more > >about techno than you ever will, and can probably dj better than you. > > > Yes, Steady J is a damn good dj, we have traded tapes before. > > >But you're right, "moses", its a good thing to judge people based on > >, well, nothing, and to make sweeping generalizations...(like I just did) > >you know nothing about me. I could possibly know more than you about > >your precious techno "underground". > > You definetly could! I would love to hear more about music! > I am willing to learn about what you have to say. Post away. I would love > to hear about any music that people really like that relates to idm, that is > why I am subscribed to this list. I don't remember seeing to much > information about music coming from your account.

well, that is partly becuase I get stuff after most people on this list, and secondly, because people like you are waiting to be condescending to feed their ego. ok , maybe this wasn't necessary, but this is how it appeared and why I was so angry.

quoted 12 lines Part of the fun of trainspotting is that this music is not always the

> > > >> Part of the fun of trainspotting is that this music is not always the > >> easiest to get, and therefore when you do find of real gem, it makes it all > >> worth it. > > > >agreed. but there comes a time when an artist becomes popular, and it > >seems only fair to meet the demand(look in your "economincs" books). > >there will still be plenty of "underground" stuff for trainspotters to > >look for. > > Maybe you should be CEO of Rephlex. How many copies would you press up? > Maybe Richard James himself only wants to press 1500?

ok. fine. you are right. but my point here was that it really didn't have much to do with economics as you claimed.

quoted 11 lines If you are serious about this music you should be able to

> >>If you are serious about this music you should be able to > >>line up > >> a place to hook you up with the goods. Many stores have been mentioned > >> before. > >what does it take to be serious "dr. giggles"? please tell me o' wise one, > >becuase > >obviously, from your obnoxious, condescending post, you don't percieve me as > >serious. > > Serious enough to find a record that has 1500 copies of it printed up. I > would hate to see you in an Easter egg hunt.

yeah, well, I try.

quoted 2 lines I think commercialization of an art form (music) does more harm than good.

> I think commercialization of an art form (music) does more harm than good. > You seem to come from a different angle.

well, printing more than 1500 copies is hardly on the verge of commercial.. but I agree with you in some instances, but commercialization isn't always bad for an art form... maybe someone "mainstream" like me would get/see a commercial art form and be inspired, and come up with some idea that you like...just a thought. But I don't think it is too easy quantify commercialization as "good" or "bad" for an art form.

quoted 13 lines Regarding the being cool thing, lay off it! I won't even start in

> >>Regarding the being cool thing, lay off it! I won't even start in > >> on that. Lets just say being a Hipp-e, Groove-e, or Ton-e is a dime a dozen > >> in my corner of the globe. > >yet its ironic that you remember it was MY "maintream" for sale list that > >was posted almost 2 weeks ago, probably because I signed and-e. On the > >other hand, I have no idea which Derek you are, nor, from your apparent > >intelligence and worldview, do I care. > > >>You might want to lay off of the vowels, and > >> spend the $$ on vinyl. > >fuck you > > lighten up!

uh, well, ok. but I think you should do the same Derek, my original post was only a joke.

quoted 2 lines In an offer of of goodwill I will even get you a copy of the lp when it

> In an offer of of goodwill I will even get you a copy of the lp when it > comes out for a good price.

thanks.

quoted 1 line derek

> derek

take care Andrew

1996-07-02 06:41Dr. GigglesI will end my side of this with this publically cause it is kind of like a shitty soap ope

From:: Dr. Giggles <moses@imagina.com>
To:: and-e <andy@j51.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 22:41:44 -0800
Subject:: Re: (idm) uh.Rephlex. feh.

I will end my side of this with this publically cause it is kind of like a shitty soap opera that someone might be interested in: I responded to your original message because I thought you were belittling one of my favorite labels (my only connection to Rephlex by the way). I look back and can see that you were joking but the fact that you emphasized that the were only doing it to be "cool" got on my nerves. sorry for all the bullshit, and apologies to the list derek At 01:25 AM 7/2/96 -0400, and-e wrote:

quoted 26 lines ok, since you were a bit nicer this time, and I see no reason to drag

>ok, since you were a bit nicer this time, and I see no reason to drag >this out... I'll make a more respectful attempt at replying to you. >I wouldn't post this if a bunch of people hadn't already written to >me privately, agreeing with some of my assertions... > >On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, Dr. Giggles wrote: > >> >oh, I see, you can attempt to be funny, but I can't, that must be becuase >> >you are part of the "underground". > >> I never said you can't be funny, you seem to being making quite a clown out >> of yourself with this message. >:P > >> >>It is called economics. Rephlex has the right to print as >> >blah blah blah... I doubt this has anything to do with economics >> >> OK...It is called the can do WHATEVER THE FUCK THEY WANT..If you want to put >> it on cd or press 50,000 cd's and sell it at Wall Mart go for it. But until >> you own the rights to it, tough titties. > >fine. butmy point was that it has more to do with your, or our "underground" >than economics IMHO > >> > >> >> many of them as they want big or small. Respect to labels like

Rephlex who

quoted 12 lines respect and preserve the Underground!!

>> >> respect and preserve the Underground!! >> >huh? could you clarify this? what is the underground? how do I join? >> >> Do you know the difference between a piece of art by Norman Rockwell, and >> one by Salvador Dali? >yes. so? >I still don't understand, please eloborate. You are appearing to be a very >rigid person. Are categories and "status" very important to you? > >> > >> >>Fuck labels that are just trying to >> >> make money or their only aim is to sell as many records as they can.

Maybe

quoted 2 lines you should shell out $30 bucks and by a used turntable, cause you are

>> >> you should shell out $30 bucks and by a used turntable, cause you are >> >> missing out on a hell of a lot of vinyl only releases from many labels

that

quoted 39 lines are excellent, and judging from your list of c.d.'s you were selling you

>> >> are excellent, and judging from your list of c.d.'s you were selling you >> >> have something to learn about techno and idm that is not so mainstream! >> > >> >alright, first off, the list of cds I was selling was for a friend,2ndly, >> >if you took a look at James' sale list (Steady J guy), I think he would have >> > "mainstream" stuff, some "worse" than I was selling, that you incorrectly >> >assumed was mine >> >> well you assumed what I typed was my words, it does tend to make sense buddy! >yeah yeah, but your point was inane(more so than mine), my opinion >is invalid because of a for sale list? Furthermore, who wouldn't want to >get rid of some of that stuff, surely you must get rid of cds once in >awhile, and I doubt all of them are on tiny labels. > >> and I'm sure he knows a great deal more >> >about techno than you ever will, and can probably dj better than you. >> >> >> Yes, Steady J is a damn good dj, we have traded tapes before. >> >> >But you're right, "moses", its a good thing to judge people based on >> >, well, nothing, and to make sweeping generalizations...(like I just did) >> >you know nothing about me. I could possibly know more than you about >> >your precious techno "underground". >> >> You definetly could! I would love to hear more about music! >> I am willing to learn about what you have to say. Post away. I would love >> to hear about any music that people really like that relates to idm, that is >> why I am subscribed to this list. I don't remember seeing to much >> information about music coming from your account. > >well, that is partly becuase I get stuff after most people on this list, >and secondly, because people like you are waiting to be condescending to >feed their ego. ok , maybe this wasn't necessary, but this is how it >appeared and why I was so angry. > >> > >> >> Part of the fun of trainspotting is that this music is not always the >> >> easiest to get, and therefore when you do find of real gem, it makes

it all

quoted 19 lines worth it.

>> >> worth it. >> > >> >agreed. but there comes a time when an artist becomes popular, and it >> >seems only fair to meet the demand(look in your "economincs" books). >> >there will still be plenty of "underground" stuff for trainspotters to >> >look for. >> >> Maybe you should be CEO of Rephlex. How many copies would you press up? >> Maybe Richard James himself only wants to press 1500? >ok. fine. you are right. but my point here was that it really >didn't have much to do with economics as you claimed. > >> >>If you are serious about this music you should be able to >> >>line up >> >> a place to hook you up with the goods. Many stores have been mentioned >> >> before. >> >what does it take to be serious "dr. giggles"? please tell me o' wise one, >> >becuase >> >obviously, from your obnoxious, condescending post, you don't percieve

me as

quoted 17 lines serious.

>> >serious. >> >> Serious enough to find a record that has 1500 copies of it printed up. I >> would hate to see you in an Easter egg hunt. >yeah, well, I try. > >> I think commercialization of an art form (music) does more harm than good. >> You seem to come from a different angle. >well, printing more than 1500 copies is hardly on the verge of commercial.. >but I agree with you in some instances, but commercialization isn't always >bad for an art form... maybe someone "mainstream" like me would get/see >a commercial art form and be inspired, and come up with some idea that you >like...just a thought. But I don't think it is too easy quantify >commercialization as "good" or "bad" for an art form. > >> >>Regarding the being cool thing, lay off it! I won't even start in >> >> on that. Lets just say being a Hipp-e, Groove-e, or Ton-e is a dime a

dozen

quoted 22 lines in my corner of the globe.

>> >> in my corner of the globe. >> >yet its ironic that you remember it was MY "maintream" for sale list that >> >was posted almost 2 weeks ago, probably because I signed and-e. On the >> >other hand, I have no idea which Derek you are, nor, from your apparent >> >intelligence and worldview, do I care. >> >> >>You might want to lay off of the vowels, and >> >> spend the $$ on vinyl. >> >fuck you >> >> lighten up! >uh, well, ok. but I think you should do the same Derek, my original >post was only a joke. > >> In an offer of of goodwill I will even get you a copy of the lp when it >> comes out for a good price. >thanks. >> derek >take care >Andrew > >

1996-07-02 06:05and-elast response. anyway, you are right, the "cool" shit was unnecessary. I'm from NYC, and I

From:: and-e <andy@j51.com>
To:: Dr. Giggles <moses@imagina.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 02:05:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:: the last : Re: (idm) uh.Rephlex. feh.
Reply to:: Re: (idm) uh.Rephlex. feh.

last response. anyway, you are right, the "cool" shit was unnecessary. I'm from NYC, and I'm fed up with people concerned about image and this "underground" bullshit, so this is why your message in particular really pisssed me off. If you look at it again, you really seemed to be quite condescending, and I don't think it is necessary to speak to anyone that way. I didn't mean to belittle Rephlex, I don't think I would be as happy today if it weren't for what they started and continue to do. I can see why my message might cause you to think I was starting that whole/tired anti-Grant whiney thread, and why you would reply in the manner you did. I was genuinely interested in why a label would only release such a small number of copies if there is a large demand. I like Rephlex, I didn't mean to be an jerk, and you probably do know more about all this shit than I do, but there was no reason to be so hostile. Anyway, the only reason I am where I am right now is because the nice people of hyperreal helped me out when I first joined, and I would gladly give info to anyone who "knows" less than me, or feels too intimidtaed to post an "obvious" question in fear of being attacked, and would respond in a germane manner(like you did to me this time derek, thank you). anyway, again, sorry everyone, especially Derek and jabberwalque(sorry if I missp that) for all the immaturity on my part, and for cluttering this list. take care andy Mon, 1 Jul 1996, Dr. Giggles wrote:

quoted 11 lines I will end my side of this with this publically cause it is kind of like a

> I will end my side of this with this publically cause it is kind of like a > shitty soap opera that someone might be interested in: > I responded to your original message because I thought you were > belittling > one of my favorite labels (my only connection to Rephlex by the way). I > look back and can see that you were joking but the fact that you emphasized > that the were only doing it to be "cool" got on my nerves. > > sorry for all the bullshit, and apologies to the list > > derek

1996-07-02 16:51Neal Thomas---------- From: James B Gill[SMTP:jgill@U.Arizona.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 1996 4:23

From:: Neal Thomas <medi8@manglobe.com>
To:: 'idm@hyperreal.com' <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:51:53 -0500
Subject:: RE: (idm) uh.Rephlex. feh.

---------- From: James B Gill[SMTP:jgill@U.Arizona.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 1996 4:23 AM To: and-e Cc: Dr. Giggles; idm@hyperreal.com; idm-digest@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: (idm) uh.Rephlex. feh. where's Grant's response?? This should be a real corker!!!!! I for one am sick of endless discussions about why labels do what they do. Why not do us a favor; don't bait these individuals to continue their bickering in public. Take the flames into private email.

1996-07-02 20:58EBBENFLOW@aol.comThe way that I have always understood limited pressings is so that a song doesnt get Juice

From:: <EBBENFLOW@aol.com>
To:: <moses@imagina.com>, <andy@j51.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>, <idm-digest@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:58:29 -0400
Subject:: Re: (idm) uh.Rephlex. feh.

The way that I have always understood limited pressings is so that a song doesnt get Juice Tigered, eg - played to death... A good example is, say, the chemical brothers (if u like um) you like hearing one of their songs out mabe the first 50 times you hear it then it gets really OLD! A better example is IM Ready by Size 9 (josh wink) 2 weeks after it was released i went to a party where I heard the song 10 times in one night (Im not overeggagerating) I digress, im just rambling DJ Ebben Flow Richmond VA