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anyone any recommendations for jazzed up and jazzy jungle stuff...or, indeed, and jazz classics which may have been used as sample sources for records....could get into that stuff... also, any classic old moog albums anyone? i bought one of mozart or something played on a moog which is extremely intricate and very entertaining and would like to look out for more of the same... cheeerz paul

quoted 4 lines anyone any recommendations for jazzed up and jazzy

> > anyone any recommendations for jazzed up and jazzy > jungle stuff...or, indeed, and jazz classics which may have been used > as sample sources for records....could get into that stuff...

Try MUSIC BOX, a compilation on Full Cycle Records. It features Roni Size, DJ Krust, DJ Die, etc., and is one of the best jungle comps I've heard. And very jazzy. -- Mark Turner mturner@netcom.com

quoted 3 lines anyone any recommendations for jazzed up and jazzy

>anyone any recommendations for jazzed up and jazzy >jungle stuff...or, indeed, and jazz classics which may have been used >as sample sources for records....could get into that stuff...

Well, it isn't jazzy _jungle_, but it is remixed jazz: The Blue Note Remix Project, Volume 1. On Blue Note Records (surprise!). It's various artists remixing various jazz classics from the Blue Note catalog of greats. Mostly hip-hop rhythms. Best, Zenon M. Feszczak Remixologist

In a message of 10-Jun-96 13:46:27, Zenon M. Feszczak wrote:

quoted 3 lines anyone any recommendations for jazzed up and jazzy

>>anyone any recommendations for jazzed up and jazzy >>jungle stuff...or, indeed, and jazz classics which may have been used >>as sample sources for records....could get into that stuff...

quoted 1 line Well, it isn't jazzy _jungle_, but it is remixed jazz:

>Well, it isn't jazzy _jungle_, but it is remixed jazz:

quoted 1 line The Blue Note Remix Project, Volume 1.

>The Blue Note Remix Project, Volume 1.

quoted 1 line On Blue Note Records (surprise!).

>On Blue Note Records (surprise!).

quoted 2 lines It's various artists remixing various jazz classics from the Blue Note

>It's various artists remixing various jazz classics from the Blue Note >catalog of greats. Mostly hip-hop rhythms.

Similarly Stolen Moments/Red Hot + Cool, on GRP/Impulse. Baxter --- ---- internet: baxter@trance.ednet.co.uk ------- fidonet: 2:259/66.17 ---- --------------------------- Member: Team AMIGA ---------------------------

"Zenon M. Feszczak" <feszczak@sas.upenn.edu>

quoted 8 lines Well, it isn't jazzy _jungle_, but it is remixed jazz:

>Well, it isn't jazzy _jungle_, but it is remixed jazz: > >The Blue Note Remix Project, Volume 1. > >On Blue Note Records (surprise!). > >It's various artists remixing various jazz classics from the Blue Note >catalog of greats. Mostly hip-hop rhythms.

Mostly cack! Buyer beware! This is crap...with the exception of maybe 1 cut. Grab some of the cool Blue Note re-releases (you can even get vinyl if you want it!) like this CORKER by Donald Byrd! Electric Byrd A1 11:00 Estavanico A2 10:30 Essence B1 13:35 Xibaba B2 8:00 The Dude Line up check: Donald Byrd Hermeto Pascoal Jerry Dodgion Duke Pearson Frank Foster Wally Richardson Lew Tabackin Ron Carter Pepper Adams Mickey Roker Bill Campbell Airto Moreira and Wally Richardson Teep<--stepping back in time right about now

On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Philip Evans wrote:

quoted 5 lines The Blue Note album tends more to the predictable 70's fusion and mellow

> > The Blue Note album tends more to the predictable 70's fusion and mellow > jazz. Will anybody *ever* dig into those old Ornette Coleman or John > Coltrane tracks, and build some truly intelligent acid jazz? >

Here's my deep thought for the day: You can't really get anywhere sampling really great shit. That stuff is so intertwined between context and content, it's like trying to whittle pieces off of the trunk of a mahogany tree. What exactly would you do with 'Traning In?' There's no sound byte there-- there's one musical idea that it takes Coltrane 18 minutes to express. Any little piece of it won't do -- it doesn't have hooks, and without it's surroundings it's a nearly random doodle. Whereas when you dig into lightweight stuff, there's little hooky bits that you can go off on. Case in point -- I heard a house track on the radio that is built around a 3 note sample of Joao Gilberto from the song "Girl From Ipanema'. It turns into a little 'dum dum dum' mantra in this context. My all time favorite sample-fest is STILL 3 Ft High and Rising. Prince Paul is the bomb! Those little loops from Mickey Mouse Disco? Whoa. And the chorus built from a michael jackson hit and a Hall and Oates song? Godhead. And the point is, he collages with lightweight stuff. So acid jazz dudes need to just play IMHO. Maybe someday they'll be as funky as 'Back at Chicken Shack' by Jimmy Smith, but they've got a long way to go, and a bus ticket that's only gonna take them half way. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Check the lame home page http://soli.inav.net/~kent/ Kent Williams kent@inav.net CADSI 2651 Crosspark Road Coralville IA 52241 (319) 338 6053 (home) (319) 626 6700 x 219 (work) (319) 626 3489 (fax)

At 9:59 PM 6/10/96, Kent Williams wrote:

quoted 4 lines Here's my deep thought for the day: You can't really get anywhere sampling

>Here's my deep thought for the day: You can't really get anywhere sampling >really great shit. That stuff is so intertwined between context and >content, it's like trying to whittle pieces off of the trunk of a mahogany >tree.

what about public enemy? they seem have to done alright sampling some good music.

quoted 4 lines My all time favorite sample-fest is STILL 3 Ft High and Rising. Prince

>My all time favorite sample-fest is STILL 3 Ft High and Rising. Prince >Paul is the bomb! Those little loops from Mickey Mouse Disco? Whoa. >And the chorus built from a michael jackson hit and a Hall and Oates song? >Godhead. And the point is, he collages with lightweight stuff.

yeah but although he's good i think he's more of a "novelty" thing. you know. the hall 'n' oates track got really old really fast. on the other hand, "night of the living bassheads" still sends shivers down my spine every damn time i hear it. hmmm... -jon OnNow: Public Enemy - It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back -- Name: Jon Email: jsd@cyborganic.com Web: http://www.cyborganic.com/bass-kittens/

On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Jon Drukman wrote:

quoted 9 lines At 9:59 PM 6/10/96, Kent Williams wrote:

> At 9:59 PM 6/10/96, Kent Williams wrote: > >Here's my deep thought for the day: You can't really get anywhere sampling > >really great shit. That stuff is so intertwined between context and > >content, it's like trying to whittle pieces off of the trunk of a mahogany > >tree. > > what about public enemy? they seem have to done alright sampling some good > music. >

Well, I don't remember their sampling being really overt, in that I can regognize sources. If you have specifics you want to mention bring 'em on. And as for De La Soul being a 'novelty' thing, i'd say that they are jokey, but the music is dead on on 3 ft. Most rap acts get one loop and work it forever. Prince Paul takes 7 or 8 samples and strings together a sequence that hangs togother as a new piece of music. As goofy as 'tread water' is lyrically I can listen to it over and over again. It's also a cut my 7 year old can do all the lyrics for. Lucas in full effect boyee! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Check the lame home page http://soli.inav.net/~kent/ Kent Williams kent@inav.net CADSI 2651 Crosspark Road Coralville IA 52241 (319) 338 6053 (home) (319) 626 6700 x 219 (work) (319) 626 3489 (fax)

quoted 5 lines what about public enemy? they seem have to done alright sampling some good

>> what about public enemy? they seem have to done alright sampling some good >> music. >> >Well, I don't remember their sampling being really overt, in that I can >regognize sources. If you have specifics you want to mention bring 'em on.

"Rebel without a Pause" has the "Funky Drummer" break going all the way through it, "Terminator X to the Edge of Panic" has Queen's theme from 'Flash Gordon,' "Party for your Right to Fight" has those Beastie samples, "Fight the Power" has that "I Shot the Sheriff" sample (right?), and "She Watch Channel Zero?!" samples the same Slayer riff that KMFDM did on "Godlike"... 'course, whether any of this constitutes "sampling some good music" is up to you. C. -- cspot@hyperreal.com (Chris.Hilker)

Hello Jon, I bought one of your singles a while back, with a song called Rat Patrol. I have been playing at the club I spin at for about a year, great track. I have never found any other singles of yours, I heard that you have a full-length but I have never seen it. Can you give me some info? I love how fucked up the beats get a the end of that song. Do you have more songs like that?

quoted 5 lines what about public enemy? they seem have to done alright sampling some good

>> what about public enemy? they seem have to done alright sampling some good >> music. >> >Well, I don't remember their sampling being really overt, in that I can >regognize sources. If you have specifics you want to mention bring 'em on.

you miss my point. your initial email said: "You can't really get anywhere sampling really great shit. That stuff is so intertwined between context and content, it's like trying to whittle pieces off of the trunk of a mahogany tree." I object to this because it presupposes that sampling a one bar chunk is the only way to go, whereas PE (to take the best example) take maybe one or two notes from places and really create a whole new world with it. go back and relisten to "night of the living bassheads" and really pay attention to the music. out of this world. i think it manages to *successfully* recontextualize some classic music (by reducing it to its component atoms and rebuilding, but still, there is is.) i don't know what track they grabbed the sax and piano from, but it creates a jazz atmosphere while doing something totally other...

quoted 4 lines And as for De La Soul being a 'novelty' thing, i'd say that they are jokey,

>And as for De La Soul being a 'novelty' thing, i'd say that they are jokey, >but the music is dead on on 3 ft. Most rap acts get one loop and work >it forever. Prince Paul takes 7 or 8 samples and strings together a >sequence that hangs togother as a new piece of music.

sometimes. but mostly i remember stuff like "say no go" and "me myself and i" where it's just one bar from a song i already know looped over 'n' over... -- Name: Jon Email: jsd@cyborganic.com Web: http://www.cyborganic.com/bass-kittens/

Hi, Can someone recommend some jungle music that are influenced by jazz? I'm not talking about the LTJ bukem, alex reece, icons etc. school of "intelligent drum'n'bass" but rather something along the line of endemic void (I've only heard one track by him and still waiting for my order of the album to arrive). I've also tried squarepusher and james hardway but still prefer the endemic void sound, in other words, a balance between the mainstream and the wacky and experimental. Thanks for any advice. Regards, --- ?? ?? ΰ Lim Phei Wee E-mail: limpheiw@iscs.nus.sg Homepage: http://www.iscs.nus.sg/~limpheiw

quoted 7 lines Can someone recommend some jungle music that are influenced by jazz?

> Can someone recommend some jungle music that are influenced by jazz? > I'm not talking about the LTJ bukem, alex reece, icons etc. school of > "intelligent drum'n'bass" but rather something along the line of endemic > void (I've only heard one track by him and still waiting for my order of > the album to arrive). I've also tried squarepusher and james hardway but > still prefer the endemic void sound, in other words, a balance between > the mainstream and the wacky and experimental.

Try _Omni Trio_. Matt -- ‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚‚ If you call this communication, you affirm it; If you do not call this communication, you deny it; Beyond affimation and denial, what is it?