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1996-06-04 18:13Fresh/Gonzi Merchan (idm) Meat Beats
├─ 1996-06-05 01:50ozymandias G desiderata (idm) I Think You Are Missing The Point
├─ 1996-06-05 10:00Harald Schmitz Re: (idm) Meat Beats
└─ 1996-06-05 15:14bzzt robot blrrt Re: (idm) Meat Beats
1996-06-05 20:06quentin Re: (idm) I Think You Are Missing The Point
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1996-06-04 18:13Fresh/Gonzi Merchan> "suck hard" puts the distorto antics of the rephlex crew to >shame. Well so far Meat Bea
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quoted 2 lines "suck hard" puts the distorto antics of the rephlex crew to> "suck hard" puts the distorto antics of the rephlex crew to >shame.
Well so far Meat Beat Manifesto: 1) invented techno and dance music as we know it 2) made a jungle record 5 years ago (1991), when Goldie was still tagging up walls. This means, of course, they invented jungle 3) brought trip-hop to new brilliant heights that none of the Ninja Tune compilation artists (DJ Food, Wagonchrist, Kruder & Dorfmeister) have come anywhere near 4) make better distorted IDM than all of the rephlex crew (cylob, Mike P, RDJ). I assume we should include Autechre too, right? 5) have done all this while wearing leather pants. Is there anything I'm missing? Oh yeah, they also also made alot of impressionable kids wear alot of bad clothes and funny makeup. hehe... /""'' /"'RESH Live and Direct from the G-Spot Orange County, California, USA
1996-06-05 01:50ozymandias G desiderata*sigh* Thank you for your kind and witty sarcasm, Mr. Fresh. I'm personally going to stop
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ozymandias G desiderata
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Tue, 04 Jun 1996 18:50:56 -0700
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*sigh* Thank you for your kind and witty sarcasm, Mr. Fresh. I'm personally going to stop my participation in this thread after this message, because I'm sure very few people here care about the opinions of curmudgeonly old farts like Jon D and me (which is made all the more bizarre a statement because Jon and I rarely agree about _anything_ having to do with music, and I am _far_ from an old fart). BUT: ph> Well so far Meat Beat Manifesto: ph> ph> 1) invented techno and dance music as we know it No, but I will stand by my statement that they had a profound influence on contemporary dance music. I can't state that as bald fact (there _are_ no facts when it comes to these matters), but I'm sure that if you ask enough long-time technoheads, most of them will agree with me. ph> 2) made a jungle record 5 years ago (1991), when Goldie was still ph> tagging up walls. This means, of course, they invented jungle Well, no. I don't know where Pete got that one from. ;) They did, however, show a new direction for inventive rhythm programming in dance music. And _don't_ tell me that you haven't heard the _Helter Skelter_ beats sampled all over the place. ph> 3) brought trip-hop to new brilliant heights that none of the Ninja ph> Tune compilation artists (DJ Food, Wagonchrist, Kruder & ph> Dorfmeister) have come anywhere near That depends on when you're willing to allow trip hop to date from, but shit, take a listen to _Headz_ and then listen to _Storm the Studio_, and then tell me a) whether you can hear the similarities and b) whether _Storm the Studio_ still sounds fresh and interesting, whereas _Headz_ is already beginning to sound somewhat dated. I can answer both of those questions in the affirmative. You may not. *shrug* ph> 4) make better distorted IDM than all of the rephlex crew (cylob, ph> Mike P, RDJ). I assume we should include Autechre too, right? When I listen to Mike P's _Metal Thing_ tracks, Cylob's crunchier bits, and the crunchier funked-up Aphex Nuttiness (tm) (excepting the pounding hard 4 on the floor masterpieces that RDJ used to crank out in which, alas, he no longer seems to be interested), I hear echoes of _Dog Star Man_. What Autechre and Freeform are doing is completely different, and although I know that Jon's no big fan of theirs, I doubt that he'd lump them in with the aforementioned three. ph> 5) have done all this while wearing leather pants. OK, buddy, enough with the leather pants. I've seen MBM many times since 1989, and I have _yet_ to see Jack Dangers, his bandmates, or his dancers wearing leather (or even suede) trousers. Yeah, their original dancer had him some goofy hair, but even he was far from your stereotypical Goffed-Out Industrial Wheezer. Meat Beat have always pretty much followed their own muse. ph> Is there anything I'm missing? Oh yeah, they also also made alot of ph> impressionable kids wear alot of bad clothes and funny makeup. ph> hehe... I think I just burst my spleen I'm laughing so hard. I've turned lots of people onto MBM, and very few (if any) of them were industro kids. In fact, MBM are one of the few bands (Skinny Puppy being another) in whom I've remained interested since I graduated from being an experimental industrial fan into being a technohead / DJ. And I think I've worn eyeliner maybe three or four times, and all of those were when I was in drag. Believe what you like, but my experience tells me that Meat Beat are, have been, and probably will continue to be about far more than industrial music or even techno. I believe that they're true innovators, and to be completely honest, I don't even know why I'm bothering replying to this letter, because I don't really give a shit what other people think. *feral grin* ozymandias PS -- Am I sounding like an old fart yet? . . . the self-reflecting image of a narcotized mind . . . ozymandias G desiderata ogd@organic.com Desperate, Deathless (415)278-5674 http://www.organic.com/Staff/ogd/ ::AOAIOXXYSZ::
1996-06-05 10:00Harald SchmitzHeyho, > 1) invented techno and dance music as we know it > 2) made a jungle record 5 year
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Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:00:14 +0200 (MESZ)
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Heyho,
quoted 8 lines 1) invented techno and dance music as we know it> 1) invented techno and dance music as we know it > 2) made a jungle record 5 years ago (1991), when Goldie was still > tagging up walls. This means, of course, they invented jungle > 3) brought trip-hop to new brilliant heights that none of the Ninja > Tune compilation artists (DJ Food, Wagonchrist, Kruder & > Dorfmeister) have come anywhere near > 4) make better distorted IDM than all of the rephlex crew (cylob, > Mike P, RDJ). I assume we should include Autechre too, right?
yeah... crazy... esp. the first releases are sick!
quoted 1 line 5) have done all this while wearing leather pants.> 5) have done all this while wearing leather pants.
:-))
quoted 3 lines Is there anything I'm missing? Oh yeah, they also also made alot of> Is there anything I'm missing? Oh yeah, they also also made alot of > impressionable kids wear alot of bad clothes and funny makeup. > hehe...
:-)) funny hairstyle..... you forgot their live show. Until now the Meat Beat show of Storm the Studio was the best live electronic appearance I`ve seen. ... and their videos are cool too. take care, harald +----------------------------------------------------------+ | visions and sounds from the wicked world of techno-house | | WWW -> http://rave.city.de/wicked | | a servive of http://www.music.city.de and Touch-Net | +----------------------------------------------------------+
1996-06-05 15:14bzzt robot blrrtOn Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Fresh/Gonzi Merchan wrote: > Well so far Meat Beat Manifesto: > > 1) i
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On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Fresh/Gonzi Merchan wrote:
quoted 3 lines Well so far Meat Beat Manifesto:> Well so far Meat Beat Manifesto: > > 1) invented techno and dance music as we know it
Lesse here. Sweatbox releases are 1988 and 1989. Cybotron's Clear is 1983. Nope. I don't think so! Don't fuck with a fan of true Detroit techno buddy.
quoted 3 lines 3) brought trip-hop to new brilliant heights that none of the Ninja> 3) brought trip-hop to new brilliant heights that none of the Ninja > Tune compilation artists (DJ Food, Wagonchrist, Kruder & > Dorfmeister) have come anywhere near
I think if you ask Jack himself he'd give much respect to Coldcut for being one of the originators of the style back in the late 80's. Don't you just love inane blanket statements? I'm a MBM fan, so don't get me wrong but not even Atkins and May are solely responsible for the music we have today. Ours is the generation of stolen ideas and sampled sounds. Even Meat Beat Manifesto uses samples so is it truely original or somebody elses creation??? __ -robert | |___ ____ ____ _____ | |_ \ / -__/ / _/ | _ \ __________ |_____/ \___\ |_| | |__/ / -studio- \ _________________________________ |_| http://icse1.ucsd.edu/~rcurlee/ \
1996-06-05 20:06quentin> > ph> 5) have done all this while wearing leather pants. > >OK, buddy, enough with the l
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Re: (idm) I Think You Are Missing The Point
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quoted 6 lines ph> 5) have done all this while wearing leather pants.> > ph> 5) have done all this while wearing leather pants. > >OK, buddy, enough with the leather pants. I've seen MBM many times since >1989, and I have _yet_ to see Jack Dangers, his bandmates, or his dancers >wearing leather (or even suede) trousers.
Not to mention the fact that I doubt he'd even wear leather, due to his vegan anti-cruelty to animals stance... The only "ravey" event I've been to that included somesort of overt political content was the MBM/808state show where they had a PETA booth set up with all sorts of nasty viviscection pics and postcards you could send to your MP protesting it...which is exactly the kind of thing I find lacking in most raves...q "The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible." Clarke's Second Law