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1996-05-30 11:13Edward Pond>Snackwitch goes nowhere...it's a cheap cut'n paste job from start to >finish. Compared to

From:: Edward Pond <100550.2422@CompuServe.COM>
To:: IDM Mailing List <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: 30 May 96 07:13:59 EDT
Subject:: Re: (idm) re autechre

quoted 10 lines Snackwitch goes nowhere...it's a cheap cut'n paste job from start to

>Snackwitch goes nowhere...it's a cheap cut'n paste job from start to >finish. Compared to the carefully detailed progression in their other >material (The Sound of Machines...in a word: wow) but this track feels >bland and emotionally deprived. I agree that Mag would be great in a >20,000+ gig, however, it's again dull and contrived on the home system. > >> --POINTLESS TRIP HOP STAB?!@#%^ That remix is the shit!! Don't front >> where you don't know things!! On the DL... late > >Well, it IS better than Gescom 2 :)

I don't think you should write off Gescom 2 just because it is not the boys' usual style. I was shocked when I first heard it but I don't think you should compare it to their other stuff since it is so different. They definitely get my praise for trying something different. I don't like the EP as much as the others but I keep playing it and will continue to do so because what Gescom are trying to express was not immediately obvious on the first listens. Just last night I appreciated the beats in Snackwitch like I have never done, but I do much prefer the other track. What I am trying to say is that the way you should approach music you don't like at first, should be that you don't fully appreciate what the artist/s were trying to do with the music, and not just say "It's cheap shite" and live your life thinking that that track is rubbish and does not deserve listening to. -Ed

1996-05-30 22:29Aaron MichelsonOn 30 May 1996, Edward Pond wrote: > I don't think you should write off Gescom 2 just beca

From:: Aaron Michelson <amichel@io.org>
To:: Edward Pond <100550.2422@CompuServe.COM>
Cc:: IDM Mailing List <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 30 May 1996 18:29:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) re autechre
Reply to:: Re: (idm) re autechre

On 30 May 1996, Edward Pond wrote:

quoted 4 lines I don't think you should write off Gescom 2 just because it is not the boys'

> I don't think you should write off Gescom 2 just because it is not the boys' > usual style. I was shocked when I first heard it but I don't think you should > compare it to their other stuff since it is so different. They definitely get my > praise for trying something different.

You are committing the same crime that you are accusing me of committing. I've tried hard to explain my criticism of Gescom 2 as a 12", and not part of the Booth/Brown continuum...I don't like it. It has nothing to do with comparing it to Autechre material, or Gescom material. By simply accusing me of writing off Gescom 2 "just because it is not the boys' usual style" you are point blank labelling me without actually reading my response. A good example of this is Orbital's album, "Snivilisations." As a polarity to their previous releases (Diversions, Brown Album) Snivilisations can be a real let down to the dance scene, while it really made the the home listening crowd perk their ears. From the album "In Sides" tracks like "The Girl with the Sun in her Head" are a completely different style to say "Lush 3-1" or "Remind" from the Brown album. It's simply impossible to compare the tracks because they come from different backgrounds, styles and times. Instead, you have to step back and take each track individually. That is why some bands use pseudonyms to experiment with various styles (try comparing Global Communication to Jedi Knights or Reload) and why more mainstream bands are criticized for trying new things under the same guise.... Note...in no way am I attempting to piss of Edward...I just knew the problem I was facing my ridiculing Gescom 2, and Edward hit it bang on. I had to respond. Lame Thread Prevention in Effect: Aaron Michelson --------------------------------------------------------------------- aw-teck'r (autechre) "Everything you Know is Wrong." For reviews, interviews, art & trash http://www.io.org/~amichel/ amichel@io.org

1996-06-01 03:47Guy Elden, Jr.> What I am trying to say is that the way you should approach music you don't > like at fi

From:: Guy Elden, Jr. <guyjr@cc.gatech.edu>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Fri, 31 May 1996 23:47:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:: (idm) Re: autechre... + reviews
Reply to:: Re: (idm) re autechre

quoted 5 lines What I am trying to say is that the way you should approach music you don't

> What I am trying to say is that the way you should approach music you don't > like at first, should be that you don't fully appreciate what the artist/s > were trying to do with the music, and not just say "It's cheap shite" and > live your life thinking that that track is rubbish and does not deserve > listening to.

Just to follow up on personal experience, I've had several occassions over the years where I originally thought a group was complete crap, only to later discover how rich the music truly was. Just out of coincidence, Autechre was one of those groups... I think I first heard one of their tracks off Incunabula at a listening station at Tower, and thought it was pretty grinding, irritating noise. Only after catching the track they did on A.I.-II did I go back and re-discover the Basscadet single, and later the whole of their discography. Now my impression of them is of an "intelligent" Aphex Twin. :-) (don't go starting a flame war just cause I think Autechre is better than Aphex either... I'm entitled to my $.02, so there. :p ) Anyways, some stuff I picked up today... Resistance D.- Live At Mayday (12") M5 featuring Brad Raker- Sanctuary (12") Prana- Cyclone (CD) The first two up there are singles... Resistance D. brings us a couple of remixes of Echoplexing- Rosso Mix and Assign's Exploring All Aspects Of Sound Resolution Mix. Both do a good job, and I know I'll be using them in some upcoming mix tapes. I haven't had a chance to listen to the flip side, but it's supposedly 15 minutes of them Live at Mayday. At any rate, it sounds like your standard German techno, but with a leaning toward the more melodic side (if there can be such a thing given all the hardcore stuff I keep hearing from over there :-) Next up is M5, with 3 mixes of Sanctuary, including an Electroliners Remix. Anybody who's been clubbing in the past year has certainly heard the floor stompers by Brother Grimm (Radiate and Survive). Well, Electroliners did a remix of Radiate, and this mix of Sanctuary certainly lives up to my expectations. It's not as trancey as the Radiate mix, but I am thoroughly grooving to it. And, at $5.44, you get three other excellent tracks, including a B-side: Gotta Feeling (It's All Good). The last one I bought becaues it looked very much like a single I snagged a few weeks ago by Endora. I now realize that this is not Endora, but it's still good straight up Goa trance stuff. Both releases are on the Matsuri Productions label, presumably out of the U.K., since the back of the CD case says "Distributed by Flying Records, U.K." Cyclone has 10 tracks, the first of which is a prologue co-produced by Andy Guthrie. I think he's got something to do with Planet Dog, but can't remember. Anyways, the second track comes in with a brief ambient intro, then the full effect collage of sound drops in with beats-repetitious galore. I can see how this type of trance can seem boring, but when it's pumpin at full volume on a packed dance floor, nobody's gonna care :) Anyways, that's just a brief synopsis for y'all. Now back to your regularly scheduled , uh... schedules... =) OnNow: Album 88, 88.5- "The Planet 8 Show". Some guy playing some damn fine house music, and it's all going direct to my tape deck. :-) -- guyjr@cc.gatech.edu a.k.a., Guy Elden Jr.

(idm) Re: autechre... + reviews