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1996-05-30 13:16Andrew CowperTom Churchill <tom@chrchfam.demon.co.uk> reckons... > It also appears in the original form

From:: Andrew Cowper <acowper@dvcorp.co.uk>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 30 May 1996 14:16:47 +0100
Subject:: (idm) Amen breaks and Stuff.

Tom Churchill <tom@chrchfam.demon.co.uk> reckons...

quoted 5 lines It also appears in the original form on NWA's 'Straight Outta

> It also appears in the original form on NWA's 'Straight Outta >Compton' and the original is taken from the b-side of 'Amen, Brother' by >the Winstons. You'll recognise it instantly as soon as you figure out >which one it is - it's *the* most used break in jungle. Now you've just >got to spot the 'helicopter' and 'apache' breaks...

All this talk of classic breaks has got me thinking... Does anyone ever make their own breaks using single shot sounds out of a drum machine? Me and a mate sometimes get together and make tunes, and we had a go at some jungle but the beats ended up sounding pretty poor and repetitive. I reckon to get anything like the complexity of the breaks in say a Photek tune out of single shot samples would take forever. So do any obsessives actually do this, or do they all work by sampling and rearranging existing breaks? Anyone know/got any thoughts? Cheers Andrew C.

1996-05-30 21:39Mark Kolmar> Does anyone ever make their own breaks using single shot sounds > out of a drum machine?

From:: Mark Kolmar <mkolmar@ccs.nslsilus.org>
To:: Andrew Cowper <acowper@dvcorp.co.uk>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 30 May 1996 16:39:17 -0500 (CDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) Amen breaks and Stuff.
Reply to:: (idm) Amen breaks and Stuff.

quoted 2 lines Does anyone ever make their own breaks using single shot sounds

> Does anyone ever make their own breaks using single shot sounds > out of a drum machine? Me and a mate sometimes get together and make tunes,

quoted 3 lines So do any obsessives actually do

> So do any obsessives actually do > this, or do they all work by sampling and rearranging existing breaks? > Anyone know/got any thoughts?

You can cut and paste MIDI data. Depending on how your sequencer works, you might be able to put together a few short sequences which are in themselves not a continuous beat, but can be layered together to create different beats from different combinations. You can even process the audio to add grit and grime. I've never sampled a snippet of drumming any longer than about a second or two. To some extent I keep myself ignorant of jungle and d'n'b, so that only the -idea- of jungle and d'n'b influences me, not others' work. --Mark Kolmar

1996-05-30 18:02Eric Hill>shot samples would take forever. So do any obsessives actually do >this, or do they all w

From:: Eric Hill <ehill@best.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 30 May 1996 11:02:56 -0700
Subject:: Re: (idm) Amen breaks and Stuff.

quoted 3 lines shot samples would take forever. So do any obsessives actually do

>shot samples would take forever. So do any obsessives actually do >this, or do they all work by sampling and rearranging existing breaks? >Anyone know/got any thoughts?

Jungle is cutting breaks, but there are some who will add machines in the mix or sample a self-programmed loop and chop that up. eric

1996-05-30 20:03Anika Agebjoern>I reckon to get anything like >the complexity of the breaks in say a Photek tune out of s

From:: Anika Agebjoern <AniAg@Info.LiU.SE>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 30 May 1996 22:03:38 +0200
Subject:: Re: (idm) Amen breaks and Stuff.

quoted 5 lines I reckon to get anything like

>I reckon to get anything like >the complexity of the breaks in say a Photek tune out of single >shot samples would take forever. So do any obsessives actually do >this, or do they all work by sampling and rearranging existing breaks? >Anyone know/got any thoughts?

My friend had a suggestion, I haven't tried it myself yet but it sounds pretty smart: Sample or copy a hip-hop or jungle drumloop, a rather long one. Then divide the loop into fourth notes (or perhaps even eighth notes) and then randomly disperse them. ________________________________________________________ Johan Jaatinen, unexplainably posting as Anika Agebjoern aniag@info.liu.se

1996-05-30 20:40Sugatis & Co>Jungle is cutting breaks, but there are some who will add machines in the >mix or sample

From:: Sugatis & Co <sugatis@inreach.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 30 May 1996 13:40:45 -0700
Subject:: Re: (idm) Amen breaks and Stuff.

quoted 2 lines Jungle is cutting breaks, but there are some who will add machines in the

>Jungle is cutting breaks, but there are some who will add machines in the >mix or sample a self-programmed loop and chop that up.

You can also use live drums that you yourself play and chop those up too. Isn't that what Square Puhser does?

(idm) Amen breaks and Stuff.