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1995-12-20 20:13Aaron Michelsongd@interramp.com said (really!) : > Speaking of unusual instrumentation, would anyone agre

From:: Aaron Michelson <amichel@io.org>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 15:13:10 -0500
Subject:: (idm) Re: Ae Jungle (was: Timeless 2CD)

gd@interramp.com said (really!) :

quoted 2 lines Speaking of unusual instrumentation, would anyone agree that "stud"

> Speaking of unusual instrumentation, would anyone agree that "stud" > on _Tri Repetae_ has a jungly feel to it?

No, actually. Speedy percussion loops should not necessarily be mistaken as jungle beats. I've found that jungle is very distinguishable from all other styles.... "stud" is definitely NOT jungle :) ____ __,---' `--.__ ,-' ; `. "Everything you know is wrong." ,' `--.`--. ,' `._ `-. ; ; `-- ; ,-'-_ _,-~~-. ,-- `. ;; `-,; ,'~`.__ ,;;; ; ; .:. .:. .:. .:. .:. .:. .:. ;; ;,' ,;; `, ;;; `. ; gas bar and dental supplies `: ,' `:; __/ `.; ; ; http://www.io.org/~amichel/ ;~~^. `. `---'~~ ;; ; ; `,' `. `. .;;; ;' ,',^. `. `._ __ `:; ,' `-' `--' ~`--'~~`--. ~ ,' Aaron Michelson /;`-;_ ; ;. /. / ; ~~`-. ; amichel@io.org ; ; ; `,;`-;__;---; `----' ``-`-;__;: ; ;__; `-- `-' * Offline Orbit 0.75a *

1995-12-21 02:38GDAaron Michelson wrote: > No, actually. Speedy percussion loops should not necessarily be m

From:: GD <gd@interramp.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 21:38:34 -0500
Subject:: (idm) Re: Ae Jungle

Aaron Michelson wrote:

quoted 3 lines No, actually. Speedy percussion loops should not necessarily be mistaken

> No, actually. Speedy percussion loops should not necessarily be mistaken > as jungle beats. I've found that jungle is very distinguishable from all > other styles.... "stud" is definitely NOT jungle :)

Well, it definitely doesn't sound like most jungle, but I still think it has a similar feel; listen to the placement of the kick and that rolling sound. Assuming the bpm is around 120 or so, the main pulses fall on the downbeat of 1 (the kick and the roll), and then on the upbeat of 2 (the roll again). This is a common pattern for kicks on a lot of jungle tracks, and (come to think of it) it happens to be the kick pattern for "Second Bad Vilbel". The rolling sound just fills out the space between the pulses, and implies a jungle-type beat. Obviously the instrumentation is quite different than most jungle, but that doesn't mean we can't call the track jungl-ish, just as parts of AHB1 sound similar to jungle but don't follow it precisely. What makes jungle jungle? Does it just have to be high-pitched/tinny- sounding drums (preferably a light kick and two or more snares) and a dub bass line? To me the essence of the beat is more indicative; it's not just a matter of speedy percussion, as you said. This is why I'm not advocating that gabber should be called jungle...:) GD

1995-12-21 07:05Eric Hill>Aaron Michelson wrote: > >> No, actually. Speedy percussion loops should not necessarily

From:: Eric Hill <ehill@best.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 23:05:27 -0800
Subject:: Re: (idm) Re: Ae Jungle

quoted 5 lines Aaron Michelson wrote:

>Aaron Michelson wrote: > >> No, actually. Speedy percussion loops should not necessarily be mistaken >> as jungle beats. I've found that jungle is very distinguishable from all >> other styles.... "stud" is definitely NOT jungle :)

At 09:38 PM 12/20/95 -0500, <gd@interramp.com> wrote:

quoted 4 lines main pulses fall on the downbeat of 1 (the kick and the roll), and

>main pulses fall on the downbeat of 1 (the kick and the roll), and >then on the upbeat of 2 (the roll again). This is a common pattern >for kicks on a lot of jungle tracks, and (come to think of it) it >happens to be the kick pattern for "Second Bad Vilbel".

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quoted 7 lines Obviously the instrumentation is quite different than most jungle,

>Obviously the instrumentation is quite different than most jungle, >but that doesn't mean we can't call the track jungl-ish, just as >parts of AHB1 sound similar to jungle but don't follow it precisely. >What makes jungle jungle? Does it just have to be high-pitched/tinny- >sounding drums (preferably a light kick and two or more snares) and >a dub bass line? To me the essence of the beat is more indicative; >it's not just a matter of speedy percussion, as you said.

A defining characteristic of jungle is its use of the break, invented by jazz (drummers), used by hip-hop (samplers) and built upon by jungle (sequencers). The sounds you mention are surface traits that are evolved on a day-to-day basis and the rhythms are basic syncopation exercises that are among the first 5 drumset patterns a fledgling percussionist learns and have been used by most forms of music at one time or another. It's the cut that matters; the rest is (fucking tasty) ear-candy. eh onnow: The Exciting World of...the Octagon Man (Electron Industries)

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