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Re: FAX discriminations

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◇ merged from 2 subjects: b12, autechre, timbre, groove and you. · fax discriminations
1995-10-07 21:06Jon Drukman Re: B12, autechre, timbre, groove and YOU.
└─ 1995-10-07 22:55Goethe Re: B12, autechre, timbre, groove and YOU.
└─ 1995-10-09 03:03Graydon Hoare FAX discriminations
└─ 1995-10-09 04:51Alan M. Parry Re: FAX discriminations
└─ 1995-10-09 07:29Goethe Re: FAX discriminations
└─ 1995-10-10 03:08Re: FAX discriminations
└─ 1995-10-10 14:20Paul Middleton Re: FAX discriminations
1995-10-09 07:11Aran Parillo Re: FAX discriminations
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1995-10-07 21:06Jon DrukmanAt 8:06 PM 10/7/95, Goethe wrote: >> > But then there's a lot to be said for music that is
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At 8:06 PM 10/7/95, Goethe wrote:
quoted 7 lines But then there's a lot to be said for music that isn't technically>> > But then there's a lot to be said for music that isn't technically >> > perfect in terms of compositional style, rhythm programming, or >> > whatever. >> oh i certainly have a LOT to say about that sort of music... how about "it >> sucks" for starters. >I guess live TG sucks then. Well, you may think so, but they are >considered by many to be innovators in electronic improvisation.
are we talking live music or recorded music? i hold live stuff to an entirely different standard. i thought we were talking about recorded music that "isn't technically perfect in terms of" blah blah blah.
quoted 2 lines 95% of Fax sucks too then (I know some would agree this statement...I>95% of Fax sucks too then (I know some would agree this statement...I >don't!)
me neither! 99.9% of Fax sucks!
quoted 3 lines there is little music being made these days that is compositionally perfect.>there is little music being made these days that is compositionally perfect. >I like a well constructed rhythm track as much as anyone but there's more >to music than perfect programming.
you're being misled by the word "perfect". we were talking about being able to enjoy music that may be deficient in one area but strong in another. my ability to enjoy music like that is severely lacking. it's gotta be a strong all around package (and this includes production quality) or i get turned off real fast. pardon me if i seem exceptionally grouchy today but the Blue Angels have been buzzing my neighborhood for a few hours now and i've got a splitting headache. :) -- Name: Jon Email: jsd@cyborganic.com Web: http://www.cyborganic.com/People/jsd
1995-10-07 22:55GoetheOn Sat, 7 Oct 1995, Jon Drukman wrote: > At 8:06 PM 10/7/95, Goethe wrote: > >I guess live
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On Sat, 7 Oct 1995, Jon Drukman wrote:
quoted 6 lines At 8:06 PM 10/7/95, Goethe wrote:> At 8:06 PM 10/7/95, Goethe wrote: > >I guess live TG sucks then. Well, you may think so, but they are > >considered by many to be innovators in electronic improvisation. > > are we talking live music or recorded music? i hold live stuff to an > entirely different standard.
I don't expect live material to be as polished but I generally just judge it as music, it's either good or not. I don't lower my standards of what I like because something is live instead of studio. e.g. Some of TG's live material is superior to some of their studio material.
quoted 1 line 95% of Fax sucks too then (I know some would agree this statement...I> > 95% of Fax sucks too then (I know some would agree this statement...I
> >don't!)
quoted 1 line me neither! 99.9% of Fax sucks!> me neither! 99.9% of Fax sucks!
If 99.9% sucks, then I guess you've heard all 115 CD's and 90 12"s they've released? I think you'd be suprised if you had. Sorry if *I'm* being grouchy but it gets a little tiring to hear people (you're not the only one) saying this "sucks" or that "sucks." (*especially* if people haven't heard a lot of what they are dismissing.) And saying something "sucks" doesn't contribute anything, it just make people upset that you're putting down music they like.
quoted 3 lines you're being misled by the word "perfect". we were talking about being> you're being misled by the word "perfect". we were talking about being > able to enjoy music that may be deficient in one area but strong in > another.
Why bother trying to enjoy music that you view as deficient though? Unless maybe there is little music you think is not deficient in some area, in which case you have no choice I suppose... Still looking for B12-Prelude Pt. 1 CD. :) Tony
1995-10-09 03:03Graydon HoareOn Sat, 7 Oct 1995, Goethe wrote: > > If 99.9% sucks, then I guess you've heard all 115 CD
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On Sat, 7 Oct 1995, Goethe wrote:
quoted 3 lines If 99.9% sucks, then I guess you've heard all 115 CD's and 90 12"s they> > If 99.9% sucks, then I guess you've heard all 115 CD's and 90 12"s they've > released? I think you'd be suprised if you had. Sorry if *I'm* being grouchy
So far all I can say about FAX (from the few releases I've listened to) is that it's a little tricky to know what you're getting into. With comps, other labels, or even individual artists with a consistent schedule, you can look the thing over with some sense of what sort of sound is going to be on it. FAX is about as oblique about the artist & style as they can get, which is annoying if you're looking for something within that stack of 115 ;) so far I like the quality. Is there anyone who knows of a decent list that breaks down FAX artists by style, or perhaps a key to the enigmatic cover art which could be used to identify one FAX disc from an other within a huge drawer (such as the one they have at my local idm-aware shop)? sorry, but my listening to all the discs is beyond the tolerance of the record-shop guy, and he isn't very familliar with more than 5 of them. -graydon _______________________________________________________________________ ( "I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid." ^*^ ^*^ ) ( http://www.io.org/~coventry ) ( Peace you heathen! \ / ) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
1995-10-09 04:51Alan M. ParryOn Sun, 8 Oct 1995, Graydon Hoare wrote: > So far all I can say about FAX (from the few re
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On Sun, 8 Oct 1995, Graydon Hoare wrote:
quoted 7 lines So far all I can say about FAX (from the few releases I've listened to)> So far all I can say about FAX (from the few releases I've listened to) > is that it's a little tricky to know what you're getting into. With > comps, other labels, or even individual artists with a consistent > schedule, you can look the thing over with some sense of what sort of > sound is going to be on it. FAX is about as oblique about the artist & > style as they can get, which is annoying if you're looking for something > within that stack of 115 ;)
First of all, all fax flames should be redirected to their regular residence, the ambient list... :)
quoted 4 lines so far I like the quality. Is there anyone who knows of a decent list> so far I like the quality. Is there anyone who knows of a decent list > that breaks down FAX artists by style, or perhaps a key to the enigmatic > cover art which could be used to identify one FAX disc from an other > within a huge drawer (such as the one they have at my local idm-aware shop)?
The best fax resources available are, of course, located here at hyperreal. look under http://hyperreal.com/music/labels/fax/ My take on fax, from the somewhat limited exposure I've had, runs somewhere down the middle. Certainly there is some good stuff in there, its just obscured by the many others CDs that I dont particularly enjoy. I'd have to say Dreamfish was one of the highlights for me.. :: Alan M. Parry :: fluid@hyperreal.com :: <finger me for PGP key> :: http://hyperreal.com/~fluid
1995-10-09 07:29GoetheOn Sun, 8 Oct 1995, Alan M. Parry wrote: > > On Sun, 8 Oct 1995, Graydon Hoare wrote: > >
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On Sun, 8 Oct 1995, Alan M. Parry wrote:
quoted 10 lines On Sun, 8 Oct 1995, Graydon Hoare wrote:> > On Sun, 8 Oct 1995, Graydon Hoare wrote: > > > So far all I can say about FAX (from the few releases I've listened to) > > is that it's a little tricky to know what you're getting into. With > > comps, other labels, or even individual artists with a consistent > > schedule, you can look the thing over with some sense of what sort of > > sound is going to be on it. FAX is about as oblique about the artist & > > style as they can get, which is annoying if you're looking for something > > within that stack of 115 ;)
I was thinking about doing something like this myself. Just a quick guide to style of each CD release and a quick 1-5 star review to help with prioritizing purchases or whatever. There's really nothing like this on the Fax page that has this sort of info in one place that's quick and easy to access. Although the page is fantastic. I've allready done the ratings, just need to find the time, and work on descriptions of styles if I decide to do it (that's the hard part!)
quoted 4 lines My take on fax, from the somewhat limited exposure I've had, runs somewhere> My take on fax, from the somewhat limited exposure I've had, runs somewhere > down the middle. Certainly there is some good stuff in there, its just > obscured by the many others CDs that I dont particularly enjoy. I'd have > to say Dreamfish was one of the highlights for me.
I don't think anyone is expected to like every release (with 115 CD's how could anyone?) :) I would say the average person who likes ambient/idm might like 20-50% of the releases. This is true with many other labels but especially Fax just because of the nature of the label. The Fax fanatics probably like 80-90 percent, the fans but not fanatics probably like 60-70 % of the releases. then there are the Fax haters who say 90% or more sucks. This point of view I just have a hard time understanding since there is so much varience of styles on this label and so many releases that I would think anyone who likes ambient or idm would have to like more than this, but for whatever reasons they've decided Fax sucks. Oh well, their loss. Tony
1995-10-10 03:08sboyer@violet.berkeley.eduOn Sun, 8 Oct 1995, Graydon Hoare wrote: > So far all I can say about FAX (from the few re
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On Sun, 8 Oct 1995, Graydon Hoare wrote: > So far all I can say about FAX (from the few releases I've listened to) > is that it's a little tricky to know what you're getting into. With > comps, other labels, or even individual artists with a consistent > schedule, you can look the thing over with some sense of what sort of > sound is going to be on it. FAX is about as oblique about the artist & > style as they can get, which is annoying if you're looking for something > within that stack of 115 ;) Over on the ambient list, it was recently announced that Pete has taken some of the S/N criticisms to heart and has altered the release schedule from the one a week of the past to one every other week. This should focus the output on more of the label's quality projects (although some people would debate this). As far as getting into the stuff, I'd recommend picking up the FAX USA comps I & II. I had a miserable experience trying hit or miss at the store, but the 1st compillation set me on the right track. Reviews of the 2nd aren't as positive, since it consists mostly of excerpts from longer pieces, but it's pretty worthwhile. All four CDs were bundled together as _Ambient Cookbook_ a while back, which has apparently been rereleased with wider distribution by FAX label itself. As far as the more IDM related releases are concerned, a quick scan of the ambient list will frequently turn up reviews of the trancier stuff. If you can lay your hands on it, I'd recommend getting _Fanger and Siebert_, which is an amazing electro-ambient disc. Check out the new Atom Heart, _Silver Sound 60_ while you're at it for a loungier feeling disc. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | Steve Boyer sboyer@violet.berkeley.edu | | http://violet.berkeley.edu/~sboyer | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
1995-10-10 14:20Paul MiddletonOn Mon, 9 Oct 1995 sboyer@violet.berkeley.edu wrote: > All four CDs > were bundled togethe
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On Mon, 9 Oct 1995 sboyer@violet.berkeley.edu wrote:
quoted 3 lines All four CDs> All four CDs > were bundled together as _Ambient Cookbook_ a while back, which has > apparently been rereleased with wider distribution by FAX label itself.
Yes. I believe the Ambient Cookbook release is now available on wider distribution on the Ambient World label. A great compilation indeed!
1995-10-09 07:11Aran ParilloAlan M. Parry wrote: > First of all, all fax flames should be redirected to their regular
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quoted 2 lines First of all, all fax flames should be redirected to their regular> First of all, all fax flames should be redirected to their regular > residence, the ambient list... :)
Ha ha! I'm surprised we've not heard more from pete. I know he cares.
quoted 2 lines The best fax resources available are, of course, located here at> The best fax resources available are, of course, located here at > hyperreal. look under http://hyperreal.com/music/labels/fax/
Will E in the house, big up.
quoted 1 line I'd have to say Dreamfish was one of the highlights for me.> I'd have to say Dreamfish was one of the highlights for me.
I like the live sets. I mean, does it get any better then reading xdzebras idm account of the Mar 1994 sf show "Frankly I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing was sent to DAT for later publishing." and after a short anticipatory wait, having the opportunity to return to the front row in your bedroom? Teep on now: intensely radioactive - sandoz (happy full moon ;-)