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1995-04-24 07:34vilexile evolution flamed
├─ 1995-04-24 08:36Sung Shim Re: evolution flamed
└─ 1995-04-25 17:51Kathleen Vrshek Re: evolution flamed
├─ 1995-04-26 09:03James Skilton Worst WARP (was Re: evolution flamed)
│ └─ 1995-04-26 20:25Jola Shepherd Re: Worst WARP (was Re: evolution flamed)
│ ├─ 1995-04-26 20:56Harvey Thornburg Worst WARP/Oddest WARP
│ │ ├─ 1995-04-26 21:33rbcIII Re: Worst WARP/Oddest WARP
│ │ ├─ 1995-04-26 21:42Jola Shepherd Re: Worst WARP/Oddest WARP
│ │ └─ 1995-04-27 15:20g303 Re: Worst WARP/Oddest WARP
│ └─ 1995-04-27 14:56g303 Re: Worst WARP (was Re: evolution flamed)
└─ 1995-04-26 15:22Dave Walker Re: evolution flamed
1995-04-26 23:31Jon Drukman Re: Worst WARP/Oddest WARP
1995-04-27 00:00Stefan Robbers Re: Worst WARP/Oddest WARP
1995-04-27 02:13allert Re: Worst WARP/Oddest WARP
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1995-04-24 07:34vilexileI got this a few days ago and I still don't get it. Coming from the standpoint of someone
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I got this a few days ago and I still don't get it. Coming from the standpoint of someone who has really gotten into these guys in the past but hasn't bothered to seek out any rare or non-cd material, I am pretty disappointed in the whole thing. Not only am I disappointed, but also confused. Some questions. Pardon my tone but I am quite angry as I write this. It *is* a flame, so fair warning. - By what standard are the Reload tracks Reload and the Link tracks Link, etc. It used to be you could listen to one of their songs and know what name they'd released it under without looking. I'll grant that some of this stuff is kind of old, but it still seems to render the name differentiations meaningless. - When did Reload become just Pritchard? When did Middleton become E621? So was Middleton on _Short Stories_ or not? Is Link Pritchard? Is Middleton Chameleon? Is there a logic to this or do they expect us to give a shit for the sake of giving a shit? I must admit to not caring at all until I got this record. I care now because I hate it. Used to be: You put them on and they blew you away, and who cared in what context. But what the hell is this? The material itself, much of it is old and I have no problem with that they made it at all, but the manner in which they it compiled, and the choice of WHAT to compile...well.... - Why did they put so much corny shit on here and leave of so many essentials that you can still only get on comps, etc? - Is this the full length Link album that was promised? When I wrote to them bitching about the oh-so-Dedicated _Maiden Voyage_ and said what I said about what this was to be, I was KIDDING, okay? I didn't expect them to take me seriously. I am so sorry, everyone. Why put out what is essentially a greatest hits album, and pock it with a few songs by other people? Does anyone else here find that to be quite as irritating as I do? - Electro revival bitching aside: Assuming we all want an electro revival, is Jedi Knights a serious attempt? Maiden Voyage was bad; The Theory of Evolution has more good material than those wretched little singles, but not much, and defintely not on balance. Taken as a whole, it is probably the worst thing to come out on Warp that I can think of--and that's counting Spanners. What in the hell happened, and why? And why did no one attempt to stop them before it was too late? All things considered, Sexomatic is a pretty stylish track. Ah well, another day, another fallen angel, another convoluted aesthetic collapsing under its own weightlessness. Screw it. einexile
1995-04-24 08:36Sung Shimit sucked eh? well ive yet to get it to find out, hopefully i will soon. _Short Stories_ w
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Mon, 24 Apr 1995 03:36:10 -0500 (CDT)
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it sucked eh? well ive yet to get it to find out, hopefully i will soon. _Short Stories_ was mostly pritchard, i believe 2 or 3 tracks were by middelton, one being the beautiful "le soleil et la mer". sung - -- (mRay) z943159@corn.cso.niu.edu
1995-04-25 17:51Kathleen VrshekOn Mon, 24 Apr 1995, vilexile wrote: > Maiden Voyage was bad; The Theory of Evolution has
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Tue, 25 Apr 1995 12:51:39 -0500 (CDT)
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On Mon, 24 Apr 1995, vilexile wrote:
quoted 4 lines Maiden Voyage was bad; The Theory of Evolution has more good material> Maiden Voyage was bad; The Theory of Evolution has more good material > than those wretched little singles, but not much, and defintely not on > balance. Taken as a whole, it is probably the worst thing to come out on > Warp that I can think of--and that's counting Spanners.
I have to correct you. Not to flame, but just to spread information. K-Hand's Global Warning EP was the absolute worst release by Warp. I picked it up because it had the pretty purple cover like RAC-Tangents and GAK, but disappointment is a mild word for this one. It downright sucks. An absolute ripoff. It sounds like someone trying to sound like Aphex Twin, but just sounds like some dumb teenager who listens to a lot of ZYX got a hold of his friend's keyboard and made something he thought was cool. The Warp guys must've been stoned when they listened to this pile of crap. Mistress ov Good Taste
1995-04-26 09:03James SkiltonThe Mistree ov good taste wrote: > K-Hand's Global Warning EP was the absolute worst relea
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The Mistree ov good taste wrote:
quoted 2 lines K-Hand's Global Warning EP was the absolute worst release by Warp.> K-Hand's Global Warning EP was the absolute worst release by Warp. > ... sucks ... ripoff ... dumb teenager ... pile of crap
Woah! strong stuff. Admittedly its not WARPs strongest release, but this is better than Rhythm Inventions "Inventures in Wonderland" LP imo - that is just boring. There are only about 3 or 4 strong tracks, and most of these had already been released as singles. The rest is just bland. Any more nominations for "least favourite WARP release" ? J ^ _ _ __ __ __ __ ____ __ __ the ( `'`' / /. \ |. ) |. ) ( ( /_ _| /. ) |. ) \_/\_/ (__\_| |__\ |_| |__) /_| \___| |__\
1995-04-26 20:25Jola ShepherdCall me goofy, I thought Inventures was spot-on strong. The worst Warp release, straight o
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Call me goofy, I thought Inventures was spot-on strong. The worst Warp release, straight of the top of my head, was most likely "Devastating Beat Creator" by Kid Unknown. The Second worst was "Nightmare" by the same fella. The Ice-T samples sounded cool for about thirty seconds. The real reason I think these were so crappy was due to the fact that two weeks after their release, they sounded totally dated. I still can't listen to them. Stupid hardcore anthems. (we hate sunrise! we hate sunrise!) ______________________________________________________________________________ Cameron psu00110@odin.cc.pdx.edu Blacksmith on the anvil in your ear Electronica for the Jaded and Discerning ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Wed, 26 Apr 1995, James Skilton wrote:
quoted 21 lines The Mistree ov good taste wrote:> The Mistree ov good taste wrote: > > > K-Hand's Global Warning EP was the absolute worst release by Warp. > > ... sucks ... ripoff ... dumb teenager ... pile of crap > > Woah! strong stuff. Admittedly its not WARPs strongest release, but this > is better than Rhythm Inventions "Inventures in Wonderland" LP imo - that > is just boring. There are only about 3 or 4 strong tracks, and most of > these had already been released as singles. The rest is just bland. > > Any more nominations for "least favourite WARP release" ? > > J > ^ > > _ _ __ __ __ __ ____ __ __ > the ( `'`' / /. \ |. ) |. ) ( ( /_ _| /. ) |. ) > \_/\_/ (__\_| |__\ |_| |__) /_| \___| |__\ > > >
1995-04-26 20:56Harvey Thornburg"Blueprints" by Wildplanet is pretty unlistenable amateurish stuff. Granted, they pretty m
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"Blueprints" by Wildplanet is pretty unlistenable amateurish stuff. Granted, they pretty much secured a Warp deal with the LFO-esque "Electron" single (the only remotely-good track they've done), but everything else on that album is unlistenable. For _oddest_ Warp release I'd nominate Nightmares on Wax "Word of Science". Someone described this as a combination of Cabaret Voltaire and De La Soul (I guess the best parts) and they're probably right, and this stuff really works! Yet I guess we haven't heard from them for about three years, wonder where they disappeared to... ------------------------------------------------|---------------------------- "Categories strain, crack and break... | Harvey Thornburg Step out of the space provided." | hthornbu@osiris.ac.hmc.edu -Steven Stapleton (1979) | dada_x@venom.st.hmc.edu ------------------------------------------------|----------------------------
1995-04-26 21:33rbcIIIOn Wed, 26 Apr 1995, Harvey Thornburg wrote: > Nightmares on Wax "Word of Science". Someon
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On Wed, 26 Apr 1995, Harvey Thornburg wrote:
quoted 4 lines Nightmares on Wax "Word of Science". Someone described this as a> Nightmares on Wax "Word of Science". Someone described this as a > combination of Cabaret Voltaire and De La Soul (I guess the best parts) and > they're probably right, and this stuff really works! Yet I guess we haven't > heard from them for about three years, wonder where they disappeared to...
They exist alright. They're doing stuff on Mo' Wax now. It's pretty good if you like that Mo' Wax/trip hop stuff. I'm not very excited by it though. I can live without trip hop. I can't seem to get into it. -robert ______________________________________________*AudioElectronic*_____ "UFO: Starting with the MG Frequency knob at 0, sonic explorers \ as you turn up the knob, \ the UFO will sound like it is taking off." -> MS-20 manual ____\
1995-04-26 21:42Jola ShepherdDamn, here we go agian. I thought Blueprints was spot-on. Heavy, underproduced, squonky, m
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Damn, here we go agian. I thought Blueprints was spot-on. Heavy, underproduced, squonky, melodic. Electron was bitchin' as well. Simon Hartley went on to concoct the fine "Feedback" ep on FNAC, which I also felt good about. Nightmares on Wax are due any day with "Smokers Delight", the US domestic version of which is much anticipated among the masses. I thought a word of science was pretty good, though it had debatable moments ("Mega Donutz"), but tracks like "A Case Of Funk" worked it fine. This was, imo, about as much fun as you could have mixing bleepstyle dance tunes with funk. A unique LP, any way you look at it. LFO are soon to have a full length out, and remixes from the Sabres of Paradises "Haunted Dancehall" are due any day. (Remixes of Tow Truck, if memory serves me, which it often don't) ______________________________________________________________________________ Cameron psu00110@odin.cc.pdx.edu Blacksmith on the anvil in your ear Electronica for the Jaded and Discerning ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Wed, 26 Apr 1995, Harvey Thornburg wrote:
quoted 15 lines "Blueprints" by Wildplanet is pretty unlistenable amateurish stuff.> "Blueprints" by Wildplanet is pretty unlistenable amateurish stuff. > Granted, they pretty much secured a Warp deal with the LFO-esque "Electron" > single (the only remotely-good track they've done), but everything else on > that album is unlistenable. For _oddest_ Warp release I'd nominate > Nightmares on Wax "Word of Science". Someone described this as a > combination of Cabaret Voltaire and De La Soul (I guess the best parts) and > they're probably right, and this stuff really works! Yet I guess we haven't > heard from them for about three years, wonder where they disappeared to... > > ------------------------------------------------|---------------------------- > "Categories strain, crack and break... | Harvey Thornburg > Step out of the space provided." | hthornbu@osiris.ac.hmc.edu > -Steven Stapleton (1979) | dada_x@venom.st.hmc.edu > ------------------------------------------------|---------------------------- >
1995-04-27 15:20g303On Wed, 26 Apr 1995, Harvey Thornburg wrote: > "Blueprints" by Wildplanet is pretty unlist
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On Wed, 26 Apr 1995, Harvey Thornburg wrote:
quoted 1 line "Blueprints" by Wildplanet is pretty unlistenable amateurish stuff.> "Blueprints" by Wildplanet is pretty unlistenable amateurish stuff.
Bollocks! (Nothing else to say about that)
quoted 5 lines For _oddest_ Warp release I'd nominate> For _oddest_ Warp release I'd nominate > Nightmares on Wax "Word of Science". Someone described this as a > combination of Cabaret Voltaire and De La Soul (I guess the best parts) and > they're probably right, and this stuff really works! Yet I guess we haven't > heard from them for about three years, wonder where they disappeared to...
Yeah, _A Word of.._, is bloody wierd, I actually only got it (on CD) a fortnight ago. A few of the tracks are good, especially the wierd bleepy first one, I felt that all the tracks relied far too much on samples. Easily the most sample ridden WARP release. _How Ya doin'_ kicks tho! Their new LP _Smokers Delight_ is out in the UK on July 17th. The reason for the delay is twofold. A) Big problems with sample clearance apparently and B) George was very ill with pneumonia. WARP info overload!!! WARP factor 10!!! greg The Official WARP Web Site 3 0 3 http://www.ncl.ac.uk/~n264671/wap-indx.html
1995-04-27 14:56g303On Wed, 26 Apr 1995, Jola Shepherd wrote: > Call me goofy, I thought Inventures was spot-o
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On Wed, 26 Apr 1995, Jola Shepherd wrote:
quoted 9 lines Call me goofy, I thought Inventures was spot-on strong. The> Call me goofy, I thought Inventures was spot-on strong. The > worst Warp release, straight of the top of my head, was most likely > "Devastating Beat Creator" by Kid Unknown. The Second worst was > "Nightmare" by the same fella. The Ice-T samples sounded cool for about > thirty seconds. > The real reason I think these were so crappy was due to the fact > that two weeks after their release, they sounded totally dated. I still > can't listen to them. Stupid hardcore anthems. (we hate sunrise! we > hate sunrise!)
Well, there's a story behind these 2. Kid Unknown was actually DJ Nipper, once big time 'rave' DJ in the UK. He'd had _Nightmare_ out on a white label for ages, it was a massive success - I remember being in WARP the shop one Saturday, and having a huge succession of kids ask for the one that goes "I am a..." Think this prompted Steve & Rob to pick it up. I remember Chris (One half of R.A.C. being fairly dismissive of _Beat Creator_ at the time, I never bothered to buy it. Still like _Nightmare_ tho'. Pure nostalgia! greg The Official WARP Web Site 3 0 3 http://www.ncl.ac.uk/~n264671/wap-indx.html
1995-04-26 15:22Dave Walkernot flaming, just passing along information (the universal refrain) -- On Tue, 25 Apr 1995
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not flaming, just passing along information (the universal refrain) -- On Tue, 25 Apr 1995, Kathleen Vrshek wrote:
quoted 5 lines sucks. An absolute ripoff. It sounds like someone trying to sound like> sucks. An absolute ripoff. It sounds like someone trying to sound like > Aphex Twin, but just sounds like some dumb teenager who listens to a lot > of ZYX got a hold of his friend's keyboard and made something he thought > was cool. The Warp guys must've been stoned when they listened to this > pile of crap.
I won't say anything about the EP itself, not having heard it. I do recall it got a pretty favorable reception on the 313 list. Differences between the 313 list aesthetic and the IDM list aesthetic probably account for the differences noted above... ;) the EP you so thoroughly savage wasn't made by some dumb teenaged boy, it was made by Kellie Hand, who runs her own label, Acacia, out of Detroit (although I've heard she's moved to Atlanta). As far as the _Theory of Evolution_ goes, I suspect someone looking for "Global Communication's Greatest Hits" would be disappointed, but as a historical document of a forward-thinking dance label I think it works pretty well. ----------------------------------------------------------------- dave walker, detroit art services _ marmoset@msen.com born freeke <A HREF="http://www.msen.com/~marmoset/">Dave Walker</A>
1995-04-26 23:31Jon Drukman> Damn, here we go agian. I thought Blueprints was spot-on. >Heavy, underproduced, squonky
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quoted 2 lines Damn, here we go agian. I thought Blueprints was spot-on.> Damn, here we go agian. I thought Blueprints was spot-on. >Heavy, underproduced, squonky, melodic. Electron was bitchin' as well.
yes, i liked Blueprint a lot as well (another excellent cutout buy at $5!). i don't know why harvey thornburg thinks it is amateurish... it has a very "classic" sound what with the heavy TR-707 use and all that. reminds me of old trax stuff. simple, minimal, aggressive and elegant. as for "worst warp record"... most of them are pretty lame, in my opinion. just not my cup of tea really. my favorite though is unquestionably DJ Mink's "hey hey can u relate"... the instrumental hip hop version on the a side and the wonderful breakbeat/acid b side just give me the full wood every time... if anyone can suggest more tracks like that b side (electric sunshine mix), fire away... that's the sort of music i'm moving towards making at the moment anyway... (can i put... more ellipses... in this message?... naah.) Jon Drukman jsd@cyborganic.com I can tell you're cool because your water costs more than your beer.
1995-04-27 00:00Stefan Robbers>"Blueprints" by Wildplanet is pretty unlistenable amateurish stuff. This is hopeless, eve
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quoted 1 line "Blueprints" by Wildplanet is pretty unlistenable amateurish stuff.>"Blueprints" by Wildplanet is pretty unlistenable amateurish stuff.
This is hopeless, everybody is always lifting early Detroit stuuff up in the heavens, and when somebody not from that place has the same emotion and skills in their music, they get flamed! In my opinion, blueprint is one of the most honest sounding, true techno albums Warp ever rleased. I comp[are it to works by Model 500, as well as some early Chicago stuff. Anyway, everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but who cares about what you or I think is the worst warp release? Stefan ------------------------------------------------------------------- * / | EEVO LUTE MUZIQUE EEVO LUTE MUZIQUE * * / | Stefan Robbers P.O. BOX 2169 * * --- | eevo@iaehv.nl 5600 CD Eindhoven * * \ | / freedom of information The Netherlands * * \ / is everyone's right. Phn: +31-40-434036 * * \ / Fax: +31-40-434016 * -------------------------------------------------------------------
1995-04-27 02:13allert>Anyway, everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but who cares about what >you or I think
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quoted 2 lines Anyway, everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but who cares about what>Anyway, everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but who cares about what >you or I think is the worst warp release?
Steef, High Fives.. *pats* Allert Aalders - Big Time Concepts |"When you eliminate the improbable allert@knoware.nl | whatever remains, however impossible | must be the truth" - Svlad Cjelli